Discussion RanmaOneHalf / Tendohouseholdresidents

Agreed.

Neko Hybrid, you're not posting things Akane has actually done or how she acts. You're posting things that fanfic writers have said Akane has done and how she acts.

You're also deliberately misinterpreting things to paint her in a super negative light and applying things that don't make sense for her character.

Edited by tristan

I still agree about this.

Right then. Now, Neko Hybrid, since you seem really insistent on this I've taken the time to highlight the general inaccuracies in your additions to this page.

"Akane acts like she knows how to cook when she clearly doesn't and assumes people are just being rude when they justifiably don't like her cooking."

This is not true. Akane does in fact know she's not a good cook. Like, she's flat out called food she's perpared "terrible."

Also, even if Akane didn't know she was a good cook she still wouldn't apply to this trope. Akane does not think she's a master chef. She doesn't try and give Kasumi cooking tips. She won't tell Ukyo she's cooking wrong. She does nothing of the sort.

"She also tends to act like she's always right and everyone else is always wrong,"

No she does not. Like, flat out.

Akane often disbeleives Ranma yes, but that's because Ranma is a liar.

"most notably how she would refuse to hear Ranma's side of the story due to her adamantly believing he's a pervert "

Akane does not "adamantly beleive he's a pervert." She called him pervert early on after he saw her naked, and Fanon made it her catch phrase.

"thinking he invited Shampoo in his bed when she snuck in hits Ranma when he was surprised to see Ukyo in his bed"

This is not Know-Nothing Know-It-All Either. Ranma does not do anything to try and get rid of Shampoo or Ukyo, and in fact has shown he likes their attention so why shouldn't Akane get mad at him when they try and get into compromising positions? And she doesn't even get seriously mad at him. There's, like, a panel slapstick gag before the story moves on.

"always siding with Ryoga when he starts a fight with Ranma"

This is not true at all.

Here's a big example of the fanon in these trope examples. It's the old "stop picking on Ryoga" fanon. Something Akane does once at the start of the Breaking Point arc... when Ranma was picking on Ryoga.

Akane by and large stays out of the fights between Ranma and Ryoga. Seeing it as a "boys will be boys" rivalry.

This is, again, not something she does but even if she did it would not be this trope.

"actually believing Ranma is sick in mind of wanting to steal girls' underwear when he was trying to locate the Japanese Spring of Drowned Man under the girls' locker room"

You mean when he was trying to sneak into the girls locker room? While there were girls changing in it? Of course Akane had the right to get mad at Ranma! Not only that but Ranma didn't even try to explain anything! Also, Ranma could have just, you know, waited for school to end.

This is Ranma doing something stupid and getting rightfully castigated for it.

If Akane had loudly proclaimed that she knew that Ranma was going to try and sneak into the girls locker room to the girls and she knew his every secret awful plan but Ranma wasn't actually planning on sneaking into the girls locker room then maybe this trope would apply. But, again, that's not what happened.

"interfering with Ranma in the watermelon/snowman race because she thinks Ranma was trying to win a date with Shampoo when he was trying to get back the Phoenix Pill;"

Akane didn't know that Cologne would give Ranma the Phoenix Pill if he won. All Akane knew is that Ranma entered a race where the prize was a date with Shampoo. Also everything happens too fast for anything to even be explained.

Again, this is not Akane not knowing anything but proclaiming herself as knowing the answer anyways. This is her not having the full knowlege of an event and acting upon what knowlege she had.

"seems to believe Ryoga never visited Jusenkyo before despite knowing about his directionally-challenged trait that took him to a lot of places even outside Japan; etc."

Why would she? Jusenkyo is a single tiny place in the middle of the Chinese wildernsess. Him having no sense of direction whatsoever makes it even more unlikely that he'd end up at that one place. Heck, except for Ranma, Genma, and Ryoga everybody in the cast who ends up cursed at Jusenkyo lives near it.

And Ryoga only ends up outside of Japan twice, once before the series starts when he's chasing down Ranma and once at the end when he goes with Ranma and Mousse to China. It's fanon that Ryoga's a world traveler, but he really just wanders Japan mostly.

Plus, not knowing a secret that people conspire to keep from her is in no way shape or form the Know Nothing No It All trope. And this final example seigues nicely into the next inncorrect trope you added to her page.

" Master of Delusion: Beats this trope into the ground when Ryōga/P-chan is concerned. Despite the overwhelming evidence that's come her way — including Ryōga transforming and "disappearing" right beside her — she's never put it together that they are the same person."

First off, what chapter does this happen?

Second off, Akane isn't the only person to not notice a Jusenkyo curse change happening close by. It's used as a recurring gag with plenty of other people for a sudden change and them not noticing. People haven't noticed right away that Ranma suddenly loses a foot in height and grows breasts until they pull his shirt open.

"In the Mark of a God arc, she noticed the mark drawn on both Ryōga and her pet, and concluded that "the same person must have drawn on both of them!"

Occam's Razor. "Somebody doodled on P-chan" is the much simpler explanation than "My friend has been lying to me and is a shapeshifter pretending to be my pet and my fiance is in on it." Not to mention that, perhaps, Akane doesn't think that her friend is capable of such a thing?

Like, this is actually really gross. Akane is the victim here. Ryoga is taking advantage of her and Ranma is allowing it to happen. Yet there are people who try and say she's "stupid" for being lied to. For being groped and leered at. This is, like, the worst thing Ryoga does and is basically glossed over and ignored once he makes his Heel–Face Turn.

"She also never picks up the subtle hints when Ranma would taunt Ryoga by calling him P-chan"

Ranma does not drop "subtle hints." He will, at most, taunt Ryoga early on about it. If Ranma really wanted to tell Akane Ryoga is P-chan all he had to do was 'tell her'... like he almost did twice in the series before getting interuppted.

"Misplaced Retribution: She constantly uses Ranma as a whipping boy whenever she gets angry, even when she's aware Ranma had nothing to do with it."

Do you know what slapstick is? When Akane hits Ranma, it's slapstick. It's not serious, it's the equivalant of her glaring at him. Or at most, a Dope Slap. This is not Ranma being used as a "whipping boy" this is her expressing annoyance at him before the story moves on and both she and Ranma forget about it.

Like when Ranma is learning the Umisenken. He asks Akane for help, Akane hits him on the head with a cartoon hammer and tells him not to sneak into his room, and then the very next panel asks what he needs her to do and she'll do anything to help him.

In the context of Ranma 1/2, Akane's actions are perfectly normal and done by everybody in the cast.

"Nabiki takes compromising pictures of her and sells them, particularly to Kuno? Rebuke Nabiki, but then beat Ranma up."

Akane didn't beat Ranma up for Nabiki's actions. She beat Ranma up because because he said, and I quote: "As if anybody's want pictures of a dorky girl anyway! I don't know how you'll ever find a husband. Now me on the other hand..."

I don't know about you but I think that's a fairly legit thing for her to be mad at him for.

"Shampoo engages in criminal trespass to sneak or simply steam-roll her way into the Tendo household for the sake of causing mischief? Beat Ranma up."

First off, this only happens early on in the series. Shampoo's only sneaks into the Tendo household early on, before she's established into the story. Later on her schemes take place outside the Tendo home and when she does visit it's usually for other reasons like warning him about Pink and Link or when Mousse gets a power up. And, again, it's not "beat Ranma up" it's "slapstick joke panel expressing her annoyance."

"Genma sells off Ranma's hand in marriage to another fiance who then comes calling? Beat Ranma up."

Nope!

Akane hits Genma when he calls Ukyo Ranma's fiancee. Then as Genma tells the story, all the other girls but Akane (and including Ukyo) beat Ranma and Genma up over it. Akane then gets a little upset when Ranma calls Ukyo "cute" but only tries to kick him after he calls her "uncute."

Akane is, in fact, the only girl who didn't beat Ranma up when another fiancee showed up. This includes the other fiancee!

"Her own father hits her on the head with a mallet to drag her to the altar for a shot-gun wedding? Punch Ranma through the ceiling!"

Akane didn't punt Ranma through the roof for that. She punted her through the roof for calling her fat afterwords.

"Never My Fault: She doesn't always take responsibility for what goes wrong, and will recurrently assume that it is Ranma's fault."

It usually is Ranma's fault. The only time I can think of where it's Akane's fault is...

"Such as when breaking the balcony which endangered Nabiki, she is upset that Ranma saved Nabiki instead of herself, which caused a sprained ankle. "

Akane being upset at Ranma for helping out Nabiki is, in fact, a time when she's in the wrong. She had been having a serious argument with Nabiki, with Ranma joining in with mocking her. So when Ranma helps Nabiki instead of her she overracts thanks to already being super upset at Nabiki.

It's notable that this arc, with Akane in the wrong, does in fact end with Akane and Ranma apologizing and making up over it. Akane admits she was wrong to fight with Nabiki and put Ranma in the middle of it.

Doesn't apply to Never My Fault unless every arugment people have ever applies to this trope

" She also off-on thinks that the people who dislike her cooking are just being rude."

Not really? Like, a handful of times she'll try and get people to try something she's cooked but most of the time when it comes to Ranma he is, in fact, rude about it.

"She will often admit to herself when she's gone too far and hurt Ranma for thing that weren't his fault, but she won't actually say it out loud."

This directly contridts the trope it's an example of. If Akane admits even to herself that something is her fault then it Never My Fault does not apply. Never My Fault is about people who refuse to aknowlege their own blame.

"Nice Job Breaking It, Hero: She tends to make things much more difficult than necessary for Ranma due to how she wrongfully assumes he's being the pervert she believes him to be. "

First off, as I mentioned, Akane does not reguarly assume Ranma is a pervert. There are times when Ranma is looking perverted, but she does not call him one or think he's one with any regularity.

I already covered the Watermellon race mostly. But it also doesn't apply to this trope either because Akane trying to do the right thing did not make things worse. Concidering that Shampoo herself tried to stop Akane from winning, it's actually implied that if Akane had won she would have gotten the Phoenix Pill herself (Which she would have immediately given to Ranma.)

"Interfering with Ranma's fight against Hinako because she thought he was trying to molest her when he was actually trying to get her pressure points to seal away Hinako's ki-draining ability. He even shows her the chart, but instead she wrongfully assumes he's trying to molest Hinako."

Akane didn't actually ''see' the chart. Ranma's attempting to explain it to Akane, and he phrases the first part in the worst possible way that he's "only going after Miss Hinako." Akane hears this and immediately goes into a Heroic BSoD. She turns away from him and doesn't actually see the chart. Then when she's crying and asks Ranma why he's after Miss Hinako, he again says the dumbest thing possible and says "sure you have a small chest".

It's Poor Communication Kills, not Nice Job Breaking It, Hero.

"Following Ryoga's instruction to tell him she hates him in order to learn the Ultimate Shishi Hokodan, which he uses on Ranma in the next fight"

This is Akane yet again assuming that Occam's Razor applies. Which, admitedly, is a flaw to have in this comic's universe. She didn't really get why Ryoga was asking him to tell her she hated him, and was clearly confused by his reaction afterwords since her saying something he asked her to say shouldn't effect him that much.

"Then she makes it worse in her attempt to patch it up by saying to Ryoga "Let's be friends forever!", which only makes him more depressed as he took it as being friend-zoned"

You know, this bit actually does apply to the Nice Job Breaking It, Hero trope. Since Akane is Oblvious To Love she doesn't realize that trying to appeal to Ryoga by using her friendship with him is going to backfire, and it does hilariously.

I hope this clarifies things as to why I removed those trope examples. Because they either didn't happen, or the context you wrote them as happening in is incorrect. (Except for the last bit, that was be being a bit overzealous due to everything else not applying)

The reason I clean up a lot of stuff about Akane is that, well, she has a lot of false negative traits and fanon atributed to her. If TV Tropes had existed before Harry Potter came out Ron the Death Eater would probably be called something like "Akane the Abuser." She's one of the biggest examples it thanks to the convoluted situation of the Ranma 1/2 fanfic scene in the early internet days.

Edited by tristan

Fine, you want to do it this way, then I'll bite.

[["Akane acts like she knows how to cook when she clearly doesn't and assumes people are just being rude when they justifiably don't like her cooking." This is not true. Akane does in fact know she's not a good cook. Like, she's flat out called food she's perpared "terrible." Also, even if Akane didn't know she was a good cook she still wouldn't apply to this trope. Akane does not think she's a master chef. She doesn't try and give Kasumi cooking tips. She won't tell Ukyo she's cooking wrong. She does nothing of the sort.]]

She ONLY thought her food tastes terrible if she herself tasted it first. It still applies because she still tries to force it on other people to eat because she says so. Akane would even try to “revise” a recipe simply because she “thought it looked boring”, as seen in the Nodoka cooking ep.

Ranma: “Er…. Is this one of your mom’s secret recipies?” Akane: “Yeah, but it looked a bit boring at first glance, so I livened it up a little! Go on, have some! …. WELL ARE YOU GONNA EAT IT OR NOT!?” (Ranma, Genma, and Soun look half dead after a bite) Akane: “Well? Do you like it?”

Then there was her hypocritical criticism of Ranma-chan preparing the food.

Akane: “So you’re good with a knife. Wow, big deal! What matters the most is taste!”

Really?

[["She also tends to act like she's always right and everyone else is always wrong," No she does not. Like, flat out. Akane often disbeleives Ranma yes, but that's because Ranma is a liar. "most notably how she would refuse to hear Ranma's side of the story due to her adamantly believing he's a pervert " Akane does not "adamantly beleive he's a pervert." She called him pervert early on after he saw her naked, and Fanon made it her catch phrase. "thinking he invited Shampoo in his bed when she snuck in hits Ranma when he was surprised to see Ukyo in his bed" This is not Know-Nothing Know-It-All Either. Ranma does not do anything to try and get rid of Shampoo or Ukyo, and in fact has shown he likes their attention so why shouldn't Akane get mad at him when they try and get into compromising positions? And she doesn't even get seriously mad at him. There's, like, a panel slapstick gag before the story moves on.]]

That’s because most of the time, Akane never gives Ranma a chance to react to said compromising situations. For the first part, Ranma didn’t even KNOW Shampoo was next to him, and what does Akane do? She splashes him, knowing that Shampoo will try to kill her. In the aftermath, she refuses to hear Ranma’s side of the story because she adamantly believes what she saw was right and that he’s going to lie about it.

The second one with Ukyou, she hits Ranma because she “knows what he was planning”, judging from the dialogue afterward.

Ranma: “I DIDN’T EVEN DO ANYTHING!” Akane: “BUT YOU WERE GOING TO!”

[["always siding with Ryoga when he starts a fight with Ranma" This is not true at all. Here's a big example of the fanon in these trope examples. It's the old "stop picking on Ryoga" fanon. Something Akane does once at the start of the Breaking Point arc... when Ranma was picking on Ryoga. Akane by and large stays out of the fights between Ranma and Ryoga. Seeing it as a "boys will be boys" rivalry.]]

Hello? Ryoga was the one who started that fight when he finally ran into Ranma, who was on an errand for Dr. Tofu, after being a week late for his intended bout.

He does it again in the alliance of Ryoga and Mousse ep, then the dialogue afterwards.

Akane: “Ranma, stop. Fighting with Ryoga is wrong.” Ranma: “Then blame him! He’s the one who started it!” Akane: “Why should I? I know it must be your fault, it’s ALWAYS your fault.” Ranma: “YOU ARE SO UNCUTE!”

[[This is, again, not something she does but even if she did it would not be this trope. "actually believing Ranma is sick in mind of wanting to steal girls' underwear when he was trying to locate the Japanese Spring of Drowned Man under the girls' locker room" You mean when he was trying to sneak into the girls locker room? While there were girls changing in it? Of course Akane had the right to get mad at Ranma! Not only that but Ranma didn't even try to explain anything! Also, Ranma could have just, you know, waited for school to end. This is Ranma doing something stupid and getting rightfully castigated for it. If Akane had loudly proclaimed that she knew that Ranma was going to try and sneak into the girls locker room to the girls and she knew his every secret awful plan but Ranma wasn't actually planning on sneaking into the girls locker room then maybe this trope would apply. But, again, that's not what happened.]]

I’ll only let go on should have waited, but that’s it. Everything else, of course he tried to explain himself, but she NEVER believes him anyway. Once he DID manage to explain, guess what? She didn’t believe him because she “knows he was there to steal underwear”. Plus, Ryoga sets Ranma up to “protect Akane” (while making himself look good in her view). She also tends to believe Ryoga because she “knows” he would never mislead her.

[["interfering with Ranma in the watermelon/snowman race because she thinks Ranma was trying to win a date with Shampoo when he was trying to get back the Phoenix Pill;" Akane didn't know that Cologne would give Ranma the Phoenix Pill if he won. All Akane knew is that Ranma entered a race where the prize was a date with Shampoo. Also everything happens too fast for anything to even be explained. Again, this is not Akane not knowing anything but proclaiming herself as knowing the answer anyways. This is her not having the full knowlege of an event and acting upon what knowlege she had.]]

That’s EXACTLY what being a know-nothing-know-it-all is. The fact she acts like she needs no further explanation because she apparently “knows a person well” without bothering to get her facts straight.

Let me add another example: The Bake-Neko ep. Akane attacked Ranma in his sleep, accusing him of “dressing up as a cat and scaring her”. Has she already forgotten that Ranma has a crippling fear of cats because of his Neko Ken training? How the hell could he possibly dress as his biggest fear?

Backing up to the figure-skating arc, Akane unsympathetically criticizes Ranma for getting kissed by Mikado for leaving himself open then arrogantly saying she could’ve done better when Ranma challenged her, just before he catches her wide open herself.

[["seems to believe Ryoga never visited Jusenkyo before despite knowing about his directionally-challenged trait that took him to a lot of places even outside Japan; etc." Why would she? Jusenkyo is a single tiny place in the middle of the Chinese wildernsess. Him having no sense of direction whatsoever makes it even more unlikely that he'd end up at that one place. Heck, except for Ranma, Genma, and Ryoga everybody in the cast who ends up cursed at Jusenkyo lives near it. And Ryoga only ends up outside of Japan twice, once before the series starts when he's chasing down Ranma and once at the end when he goes with Ranma and Mousse to China. It's fanon that Ryoga's a world traveler, but he really just wanders Japan mostly. Plus, not knowing a secret that people conspire to keep from her is in no way shape or form the Know Nothing No It All trope. And this final example seigues nicely into the next inncorrect trope you added to her page.]]

He still tends to end up in places purely by accident. In the frog episode, Cologne mentioned the frog hermit was going after Jusenkyo victims. She saw the (fake) frogs of Genma, Shampoo, and Ryoga, and actually wondered why Ryoga is among the frog hermit’s targets before starting to claim Ryoga “never went to Jusenkyo before”.

[[" Master of Delusion: Beats this trope into the ground when Ryōga/P-chan is concerned. Despite the overwhelming evidence that's come her way — including Ryōga transforming and "disappearing" right beside her — she's never put it together that they are the same person." First off, what chapter does this happen?]]

If you must know, the Tunnel of Lost Love ep where Ryoga ran across the water with Akane in his arms. When he nears the edge, he accidentally trips and falls into the water as Akane is dropped on land. P-chan comes up, and instead says, “It’s P-chan!” with P-chan sweatdropping on how lucky he was she didn’t somehow find out. Yo, are you not wondering in the slightest where Ryoga disappeared to and P-chan suddenly comes up as soon as he’s gone?

[[Second off, Akane isn't the only person to not notice a Jusenkyo curse change happening close by. It's used as a recurring gag with plenty of other people for a sudden change and them not noticing. People haven't noticed right away that Ranma suddenly loses a foot in height and grows breasts until they pull his shirt open.]]

The only reason others don’t notice is because they’re stupid (the Kuno siblings) and they don’t know a thing about Jusenkyo curses.

That moron Asuza figured out Ryoga and her “Darling Charlotte” were one and the same due to the collar she saw on both of them, and she doesn’t know a thing about Jusenkyo or its curses, so what’s Akane’s excuse?

[["In the Mark of a God arc, she noticed the mark drawn on both Ryōga and her pet, and concluded that "the same person must have drawn on both of them!" Occam's Razor. "Somebody doodled on P-chan" is the much simpler explanation than "My friend has been lying to me and is a shapeshifter pretending to be my pet and my fiance is in on it." Not to mention that, perhaps, Akane doesn't think that her friend is capable of such a thing?]]

Again, Master of Delusion. It means someone has apparently picked up on another person’s secret, then at the last minute thinks of something else entirely.

[[Like, this is actually really gross. Akane is the victim here. Ryoga is taking advantage of her and Ranma is allowing it to happen. Yet there are people who try and say she's "stupid" for being lied to. For being groped and leered at. This is, like, the worst thing Ryoga does and is basically glossed over and ignored once he makes his Heel–Face Turn.]]

He doesn’t “allow it to happen”. Ranma tries to make sure he doesn’t try anything. Ranma’s only fault was making that stupid honor pledge not to tell Ryoga’s secret because he felt responsible for what happened to him.

[["She also never picks up the subtle hints when Ranma would taunt Ryoga by calling him P-chan" Ranma does not drop "subtle hints." He will, at most, taunt Ryoga early on about it. If Ranma really wanted to tell Akane Ryoga is P-chan all he had to do was 'tell her'... like he almost did twice in the series before getting interuppted.]]

Again, because of his dumb “honor promise” Ranma was unable to do that. And again, Master of Delusion because Ranma almost spilled it when he thought Akane bathed P-chan in hot water and found out, until he heard the whole story. P-chan was panicking and struggling to get out of Akane’s grip, then desperately drank up the hot water before it could hit him. Her conclusion? “He must’ve been thirsty!”

[["Misplaced Retribution: She constantly uses Ranma as a whipping boy whenever she gets angry, even when she's aware Ranma had nothing to do with it." Do you know what slapstick is? When Akane hits Ranma, it's slapstick. It's not serious, it's the equivalant of her glaring at him. Or at most, a Dope Slap. This is not Ranma being used as a "whipping boy" this is her expressing annoyance at him before the story moves on and both she and Ranma forget about it. Like when Ranma is learning the Umisenken. He asks Akane for help, Akane hits him on the head with a cartoon hammer and tells him not to sneak into his room, and then the very next panel asks what he needs her to do and she'll do anything to help him. In the context of Ranma 1/2, Akane's actions are perfectly normal and done by everybody in the cast. Nabiki takes compromising pictures of her and sells them, particularly to Kuno? Rebuke Nabiki, but then beat Ranma up." Akane didn't beat Ranma up for Nabiki's actions. She beat Ranma up because because he said, and I quote: "As if anybody's want pictures of a dorky girl anyway! I don't know how you'll ever find a husband. Now me on the other hand..." I don't know about you but I think that's a fairly legit thing for her to be mad at him for.]]

Then it’s a case of The Unfairer Sex. “Everything she does is perfectly fine and justified. Ranma is wrong in insulting her.”

Plus, in the frog episode, she punts out Ranma and Mousse from the bathroom because she turned and saw them naked, even though SHE was the one who barged in on THEM.

[["Shampoo engages in criminal trespass to sneak or simply steam-roll her way into the Tendo household for the sake of causing mischief? Beat Ranma up." First off, this only happens early on in the series. Shampoo's only sneaks into the Tendo household early on, before she's established into the story. Later on her schemes take place outside the Tendo home and when she does visit it's usually for other reasons like warning him about Pink and Link or when Mousse gets a power up. And, again, it's not "beat Ranma up" it's "slapstick joke panel expressing her annoyance."]]

It was worse than that. She ALLOWS Shampoo to try and KILL Ranma-chan after splashing him.

[["Genma sells off Ranma's hand in marriage to another fiance who then comes calling? Beat Ranma up." Nope! Akane hits Genma when he calls Ukyo Ranma's fiancee. Then as Genma tells the story, all the other girls butAkane (and including Ukyo) beat Ranma and Genma up over it. Akane then gets a little upset when Ranma calls Ukyo "cute" but only tries to kick him after he calls her "uncute." Akane is, in fact, the only girl who didn't beat Ranma up when another fiancee showed up. This includes the other fiancee!]]

Ukyou only hit Ranma and Genma with the balance beam, but didn’t join in the gang up as she and Ranma snuck away in the carnage. Akane’s inaction is just as bad if not worse because, in her own words, thinks “he probably deserves it anyway.” ALLOWING him to get beat up by others when she could’ve stopped it is practically the same thing.

"Her own father hits her on the head with a mallet to drag her to the altar for a shot-gun wedding? Punch Ranma through the ceiling!" Akane didn't punt Ranma through the roof for that. She punted her through the roof for calling her fat afterwords. [["Never My Fault: She doesn't always take responsibility for what goes wrong, and will recurrently assume that it is Ranma's fault." It usually is Ranma's fault. The only time I can think of where it's Akane's fault is... "Such as when breaking the balcony which endangered Nabiki, she is upset that Ranma saved Nabiki instead of herself, which caused a sprained ankle. " Akane being upset at Ranma for helping out Nabiki is, in fact, a time when she's in the wrong. She had been having a serious argument with Nabiki, with Ranma joining in with mocking her. So when Ranma helps Nabiki instead of her she overracts thanks to already being super upset at Nabiki. It's notable that this arc, with Akane in the wrong, does in fact end with Akane and Ranma apologizing and making up over it. Akane admits she was wrong to fight with Nabiki and put Ranma in the middle of it. Doesn't apply to Never My Fault unless every arugment people have ever applies to this trope]]

Yet Akane gets angry at the supposed “closeness” Ranma and Nabiki were having when she really has no right to considering she passed the engagement off to Nabiki.

[[" She also off-on thinks that the people who dislike her cooking are just being rude." Not really? Like, a handful of times she'll try and get people to try something she's cooked but most of the time when it comes to Ranma he is, in fact, rude about it.]]

Not just him. Genma and Happosai do that, too. Happosai actually cried in pain when he wolfed down Akane’s cookies before saying “why didn’t you tell me they weren’t meant for human consumption!?”

Soun, Nabiki, and even Kasumi are more subtle about it. Soun and Nabiki looked downright horrified when Nodoka invites Akane to help her with the cooking.

[["She will often admit to herself when she's gone too far and hurt Ranma for thing that weren't his fault, but she won't actually say it out loud." This directly contridts the trope it's an example of. If Akane admits even to herself that something is her fault then it Never My Fault does not apply. Never My Fault is about people who refuse to aknowlege their own blame.]]

SOME.

[["Nice Job Breaking It, Hero!: She tends to make things much more difficult than necessary for Ranma due to how she wrongfully assumes he's being the pervert she believes him to be. " First off, as I mentioned, Akane does not reguarly assume Ranma is a pervert. There are times when Ranma is looking perverted, but she does not call him one or think he's one with any regularity. I already covered the Watermellon race mostly. But it also doesn't apply to this trope either because Akane trying to do the right thing did not make things worse. Concidering that Shampoo herself tried to stop Akane from winning, it's actually implied that if Akane had won she would have gotten the Phoenix Pill herself (Which she would have immediately given to Ranma.) "Interfering with Ranma's fight against Hinako because she thought he was trying to molest her when he was actually trying to get her pressure points to seal away Hinako's ki-draining ability. He even shows her the chart, but instead she wrongfully assumes he's trying to molest Hinako." Akane didn't actually ''see' the chart. Ranma's attempting to explain it to Akane, and he phrases the first part in the worst possible way that he's "only going after Miss Hinako." Akane hears this and immediately goes into a Heroic B.S.O.D.. She turns away from him and doesn't actually see the chart. Then when she's crying and asks Ranma why he's after Miss Hinako, he again says the dumbest thing possible and says "sure you have a small chest".]]

Correction: Shampoo was trying to stop anyone other than Ranma from winning. Plus, there’s no way Akane would’ve gotten past Cologne anyway since she’s too skilled and Cologne would have no reason not to beat her. Ranma at the time was the only one who had a chance of beating Cologne, and if Akane did eliminate Ranma, then Cologne would’ve steamrolled everyone else. What she almost could’ve done would be akin to making extinct the natural predator of an invasive species, causing said species to overrun everything.

And again, doesn’t change the fact Akane STILL interfered with Ranma DURING the fight against Hinako.

[[It's Poor Communication Kills, not Nice Job Breaking It, Hero!. "Following Ryoga's instruction to tell him she hates him in order to learn the Ultimate Shishi Hokodan, which he uses on Ranma in the next fight" This is Akane yet again assuming that Occam's Razor applies. Which, admitedly, is a flaw to have in this comic's universe. She didn't really get why Ryoga was asking him to tell her she hated him, and was clearly confused by his reaction afterwords since her saying something he asked her to say shouldn't effect him that much. "Then she makes it worse in her attempt to patch it up by saying to Ryoga "Let's be friends forever!", which only makes him more depressed as he took it as being friend-zoned" You know, this bit actually does apply to the Nice Job Breaking It, Hero! trope. Since Akane is Oblvious To Loveshe doesn't realize that trying to appeal to Ryoga by using her friendship with him is going to backfire, and it does hilariously.]]

And there you go. Plus, she knew how the technique worked, making it worse.

One more thing I'd like to add. In the Moxibustion arc, Akane stupidly ties up Ranma and dumps him in the storage shed in order to "protect him" since he's unable to fight back. Not once did she ever consider just MAYBE one of Ranma's enemies might find him and attack him while he was tied and helpless. Turned out to be true when Gosunkugi finds him and shoves him out where the others were waiting for him. At least Gosunkugi untied Ranma first before throwing him to the dogs.

So there.

Edited by NekoHybrid

Wow I've never seen such a wall of denial.

" It still applies because she still tries to force it on other people to eat because she says so. "

The only times Akane has tried to "force" people to eat her cooking is during the arc when Kodachi was also trying to get Ranma to eat her cooking so it became a competition between the two of them and the Sakura mochi arc where the point wasn't so much the food itself as its magical effect.

The idea that Akane is constantly forcing people to try her bad cooking and then get mad when they don't like it is Fanon.

"Akane would even try to “revise” a recipe simply because she “thought it looked boring”, as seen in the Nodoka cooking ep."

I have the Nodoka cooking chapter up right now. This never happens.

"Hello? Ryoga was the one who started that fight when he finally ran into Ranma, who was on an errand for Dr. Tofu, after being a week late for his intended bout."

What are you even talking about? This is not a scene that ever happens.

"He does it again in the alliance of Ryoga and Mousse ep, then the dialogue afterwards."

There is no chapter where Ryoga and Mousse team up. This dialogue never happens.

Show me the page where this dialogue occurs.

"Everything else, of course he tried to explain himself, but she NEVER believes him anyway"

Nope. This is false. No matter how much you try and repeat it, it's not true. Akane does not "never beleive Ranma" dispite what bad fanfics say. Stop using fanon.

". Once he DID manage to explain, guess what? She didn’t believe him because she “knows he was there to steal underwear”."

She never says that. She says Ranma should try and think of a "better excuse" because by this point Ranma had repeatedly tried to sneak and force his way into the girls locker room. Why should Akane beleive him after he does all that?

You seem to think that despite Ranma being a sneaky prick who will only ever answer questions if forced to that Akane should automatically beleive him?

"That’s EXACTLY what being a know-nothing-know-it-all is. The fact she acts like she needs no further explanation because she apparently “knows a person well” without bothering to get her facts straight."

No. It is not.

It's Akane, being an emotional person, having an emotional reaction to the seeing the guy she likes seemingly come on to another girl.

"The Bake-Neko ep. Akane attacked Ranma in his sleep, accusing him of “dressing up as a cat and scaring her”. Has she already forgotten that Ranma has a crippling fear of cats because of his Neko Ken training? How the hell could he possibly dress as his biggest fear?"

You again get basic facts wrong.

First off, earlier that night Ranma had already pulled a similar prank on Akane. So she was primed to think he was doing it again. Akane never says he dressed up as a cat either. She just sees the giant bell and a hears a creepy voice in the darkness.

". In the frog episode, Cologne mentioned the frog hermit was going after Jusenkyo victims. She saw the (fake) frogs of Genma, Shampoo, and Ryoga, and actually wondered why Ryoga is among the frog hermit’s targets before starting to claim Ryoga “never went to Jusenkyo before”."

What chapter is this?

"you must know, the Tunnel of Lost Love ep where Ryoga ran across the water with Akane in his arms. When he nears the edge, he accidentally trips and falls into the water as Akane is dropped on land. P-chan comes up, and instead says, “It’s P-chan!” with P-chan sweatdropping on how lucky he was she didn’t somehow find out. Yo, are you not wondering in the slightest where Ryoga disappeared to and P-chan suddenly comes up as soon as he’s gone?"

And that's not what happens. Ryoga falls into the water, a ghost pops out, scares Akane and makes Akane faint.

She never notices P-chan in that arc.

"That moron Asuza figured out Ryoga and her “Darling Charlotte” were one and the same due to the collar she saw on both of them, and she doesn’t know a thing about Jusenkyo or its curses, so what’s Akane’s excuse?"

Azuza's stupid enough make such an absurd leap of logic. Like, that's the joke.

"Again, Master of Delusion. It means someone has apparently picked up on another person’s secret, then at the last minute thinks of something else entirely."

But Akane didn't pick up on the secret.

"He doesn’t “allow it to happen”. Ranma tries to make sure he doesn’t try anything. Ranma’s only fault was making that stupid honor pledge not to tell Ryoga’s secret because he felt responsible for what happened to him."

Ranma never made any promise to keep Ryoga's curse.

He made a "promise" to a dog. He has no problem telling everybody else about Ryoga's curse. And for crying out loud, there are three times in the series where's he's about to tell Akane!

• The first night. He's about to tell Akane P-chan is Ryoga when Akane kisses what she thinks is a piglet. Ranma has a jealous fit and doesn't tell her
• During the Waterproof Soap Arc. Akane asks Ryoga why he and Ranma are fighting over the soap (she doesn't know its effects), Ranma starts to say "Because he's P-chan" But Ryoga boots him away before he can finish the sentence
• During the Pantyhose Taro introduction arc Akane wonders why P-chan was attacked. Ranma, again, begins to say "Because he's Ryoga" but is again interuppted.

If Ranma really cared about some "promise" he wouldn't have revealed it to everybody and almost telling Akane. And if he really cared about revealing it to Akane he'd do it during the myriad times that Ryoga isn't around.

"Then it’s a case of The Unfairer Sex. “Everything she does is perfectly fine and justified. Ranma is wrong in insulting her.”"

EVERYBODY in Ranma 1/2 except for, like, Kasumi will inflict slapstick volence to the target of their annoyance.

"It was worse than that. She ALLOWS Shampoo to try and KILL Ranma-chan after splashing him."

The story does not treat Shampoo's attempts to kill Ranma seriously. It's played for laughs, it's exagurated comical violence that nobody in or out of universe thinks is a big deal. Even Ranma conciders Shampoo an annoyance at most.

Also, it's not "Ranma-chan" it's just Ranma.

" Akane’s inaction is just as bad if not worse because, in her own words, thinks “he probably deserves it anyway.” ALLOWING him to get beat up by others when she could’ve stopped it is practically the same thing."

So.. not bad at all because it's harmless slapstick violence?

"Shampoo was trying to stop anyone other than Ranma from winning. Plus, there’s no way Akane would’ve gotten past Cologne anyway since she’s too skilled and Cologne would have no reason not to beat her. Ranma at the time was the only one who had a chance of beating Cologne"

So, in other words, Akane's actions had no effect on the final outcome.

So it doesn't apply to the trope. Got it. Glad we agree.

"Ranma at the time was the only one who had a chance of beating Cologne"

Ranma did not ever have the slighest chance of beating Cologne. She only eventually gave the phoenix pill to him out of respect for his determination.

"And again, doesn’t change the fact Akane STILL interfered with Ranma DURING the fight against Hinako."

You mean when she kicked Ranma to no effect when she saw him groping a woman's chest? Which, by the way, was before he tried (and failed) to explain the situation?

"And there you go. Plus, she knew how the technique worked, making it worse."

She didn't think something silly like that would effect Ryoga. She didn't even know why he was saying it.

Man, you keep getting facts about the series wrong.

I have the books right in front of me and can easily fact check the assertions you make.

Edited by tristan

Just throwing my two cents in.

Well actually Ryoga and Mousse did team up on two occasions from what I remember. They teamed up during the time when Taro kidnapped Akane and both of them got lost, as well as during the Herb arc when they had secretly aligned by pretending to help Ranma when they were actually planning to dispose of him.

Idk which one Neko is referring to though.

As for the main topic of Know-Nothing Know-It-All, Akane doesn't really count. Most of these examples are the result of Akane being Locked Out of the Loop and not because she knows nothing and pretends to feign intelligence. Even with the cooking thing she's not pretending her cooking is good, but just unaware that her cooking is bad at times.

Yeah Snowy 66 but those situations don't involve Akane.

". Most of these examples are the result of Akane being Locked Out of the Loop and not because she knows nothing and pretends to feign intelligence."

Yeah this is what I mean when I said Neko Hybrid is interpreting Akane's actions in the most negative possible light rather then a reasonable light or the author's intention.

Edited by tristan

As much as I hate the anime, tristan, Neko Hybrid is arguing from ITS point of view. You deny that those examples happened, but in the anime, they did. While the anime is guilty of flanderizing many of the characters' worst traits (one of the reasons I hate it) and is even more guilty of fanfic-grade original episodes with terrible characterization (another reason to hate it), we can't flat out deny that it happened, especially when Neko Hybrid's references to it are accurate. Consider it a separate canon if you must, but categorically rejecting examples drawn from it without explanation is bad form.

You do make a manga-based mistake, though:

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"Hello? Ryoga was the one who started that fight when he finally ran into Ranma, who was on an errand for Dr. Tofu, after being a week late for his intended bout."

What are you even talking about? This is not a scene that ever happens.

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NH is referring to this:

http://www.mangareader.net/ranma-12/6/62

Hell, *I* was the one who put in the entry that "Ryoga rarely ever ambushes Ranma out of the blue, it's usually Ranma who shows up out of nowhere to annoy him when Ryoga is minding his own business", and I have to admit that Ryoga was in the wrong in the above scene. Even if he HAD sent a letter of challenge, that's not carte blanche to ambush his opponent outside of the formal duel, nor to destroy the object of the completely unrelated errand Ranma was running. Later, when Akane accuses Ranma of picking on Ryoga, she's only half-right: when Ranma catches Ryoga before he falls into the fountain, the latter thinks he's being humiliated and attacks. Ranma is understandably PO'd at that and pretzels him. While we, the readers, are meant to take away that Ranma has grown considerably beyond Ryoga's reach, and Ranma himself doesn't even realize it until later, Akane DOES know, and sees his response as disproportionate and cruel (which is reasonable). So she's right that he was "picking" on someone weaker, but she immediately admits to Ryoga that Ranma himself isn't aware of his powerup, so she knows he wasn't doing it deliberately or out of malice.

(Also: the "The Unfair Sex" trope is about the *difference* between responses of male and female characters to personal offense. EVERYONE in Ranma inflicts slapstick violence to the source of their annoyance, yes, but the guys never hit the girls for any non-combat reason, while the girls are free to hit the guys for even the tiniest perceived slight. Whatever we think about it now, that was the norm in 70s and 80s comedy manga. Even Takahashi parodied this when Kasumi's version of a violent physical response is simply a gentle tap with her fingertip.)

Edited by Zef

Really, tristan?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

I’m sorry, this is just so hilarious. Everything you said just proves just how uninformed you are, how could I not laugh? Hello? Are you not aware this series has an ANIME? Sounds to me you’ve never even watched it, otherwise you wouldn’t be so confused about “stuff that didn’t happen”.

[[Wow I've never seen such a wall of denial. " It still applies because she still tries to force it on other people to eat because she says so. " The only times Akane has tried to "force" people to eat her cooking is during the arc when Kodachi was also trying to get Ranma to eat her cooking so it became a competition between the two of them and the Sakura mochi arc where the point wasn't so much the food itself as its magical effect. The idea that Akane is constantly forcing people to try her bad cooking and then get mad when they don't like it is Fanon. "Akane would even try to “revise” a recipe simply because she “thought it looked boring”, as seen in the Nodoka cooking ep." I have the Nodoka cooking chapter up right now. This never happens.]]

Then WATCH IT. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mQCu_2ghh4

[["Hello? Ryoga was the one who started that fight when he finally ran into Ranma, who was on an errand for Dr. Tofu, after being a week late for his intended bout." What are you even talking about? This is not a scene that ever happens.]]

Again you’re blind. Zef already cleared this up as well with that manga scan earlier.

[["He does it again in the alliance of Ryoga and Mousse ep, then the dialogue afterwards." There is no chapter where Ryoga and Mousse team up. This dialogue never happens. Show me the page where this dialogue occurs.]]

The GO WATCH EPISODE 54! https://www.animepace.si/anime/ranma-dub/episode-54

[["Everything else, of course he tried to explain himself, but she NEVER believes him anyway" Nope. This is false. No matter how much you try and repeat it, it's not true. Akane does not "never beleive Ranma" dispite what bad fanfics say. Stop using fanon. ". Once he DID manage to explain, guess what? She didn’t believe him because she “knows he was there to steal underwear”." She never says that. She says Ranma should try and think of a "better excuse" because by this point Ranma had repeatedly tried to sneak and force his way into the girls locker room. Why should Akane beleive him after he does all that? You seem to think that despite Ranma being a sneaky prick who will only ever answer questions if forced to that Akane should automatically beleive him?]]

And yet every time she doesn’t believe him it turns out he was actually telling the truth. She just refuses to give him the benefit of the doubt despite all the times she wrongfully accuses him.

[["That’s EXACTLY what being a know-nothing-know-it-all is. The fact she acts like she needs no further explanation because she apparently “knows a person well” without bothering to get her facts straight." No. It is not. It's Akane, being an emotional person, having an emotional reaction to the seeing the guy she likes seemingly come on to another girl.]]

“Come on to?” Seriously? The only times he does that is when he thinks there’s something he wants or needs Most of the time a possible cure for his curse.

[["The Bake-Neko ep. Akane attacked Ranma in his sleep, accusing him of “dressing up as a cat and scaring her”. Has she already forgotten that Ranma has a crippling fear of cats because of his Neko Ken training? How the hell could he possibly dress as his biggest fear?" You again get basic facts wrong. First off, earlier that night Ranma had already pulled a similar prank on Akane. So she was primed to think he was doing it again. Akane never says he dressed up as a cat either. She just sees the giant bell and a hears a creepy voice in the darkness.]]

Go WATCH EPISODE 72! https://www.animepace.si/anime/ranma-dub/episode-72

[[". In the frog episode, Cologne mentioned the frog hermit was going after Jusenkyo victims. She saw the (fake) frogs of Genma, Shampoo, and Ryoga, and actually wondered why Ryoga is among the frog hermit’s targets before starting to claim Ryoga “never went to Jusenkyo before”." What chapter is this?]]

GO WATCH EPISODE 100! https://www.animepace.si/anime/ranma-dub/episode-100

[["you must know, the Tunnel of Lost Love ep where Ryoga ran across the water with Akane in his arms. When he nears the edge, he accidentally trips and falls into the water as Akane is dropped on land. P-chan comes up, and instead says, “It’s P-chan!” with P-chan sweatdropping on how lucky he was she didn’t somehow find out. Yo, are you not wondering in the slightest where Ryoga disappeared to and P-chan suddenly comes up as soon as he’s gone?" And that's not what happens. Ryoga falls into the water, a ghost pops out, scares Akane and makes Akane faint. She never notices P-chan in that arc.]]

….. GO WATCH THE OVA!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkfZ3WqMEjc

[["That moron Asuza figured out Ryoga and her “Darling Charlotte” were one and the same due to the collar she saw on both of them, and she doesn’t know a thing about Jusenkyo or its curses, so what’s Akane’s excuse?" Azuza's stupid enough make such an absurd leap of logic. Like, that's the joke.]]

Fact remains she still made the connection. Also, Happosai IMMEDIATELY recognized Genma despite seeing him in panda form because he knows about Jusenkyo and recognized his eyes.

[["Again, Master of Delusion. It means someone has apparently picked up on another person’s secret, then at the last minute thinks of something else entirely." But Akane didn't pick up on the secret.]]

That’s the POINT! It refers to someone you think has finally wised up, but then reveals they were thinking something else entirely!

[["He doesn’t “allow it to happen”. Ranma tries to make sure he doesn’t try anything. Ranma’s only fault was making that stupid honor pledge not to tell Ryoga’s secret because he felt responsible for what happened to him." Ranma never made any promise to keep Ryoga's curse. He made a "promise" to a dog. He has no problem telling everybody else about Ryoga's curse. And for crying out loud, there are three times in the series where's he's about to tell Akane! • The first night. He's about to tell Akane P-chan is Ryoga when Akane kisses what she thinks is a piglet. Ranma has a jealous fit and doesn't tell her • During the Waterproof Soap Arc. Akane asks Ryoga why he and Ranma are fighting over the soap (she doesn't know its effects), Ranma starts to say "Because he's P-chan" But Ryoga boots him away before he can finish the sentence • During the Pantyhose Taro introduction arc Akane wonders why P-chan was attacked. Ranma, again, begins to say "Because he's Ryoga" but is again interuppted. If Ranma really cared about some "promise" he wouldn't have revealed it to everybody and almost telling Akane. And if he really cared about revealing it to Akane he'd do it during the myriad times that Ryoga isn't around.]]

He promised who he THOUGHT was Ryoga. Then by that logic, this could extend to Soun himself. He SAW P-chan get into thie bath with him and come out as Ryoga, TWICE. He wasn’t honor-bound to keep his secret, so why didn’t he tell his own daughter the truth about him especially when he knows she’s keeping him as a pet?

[["Then it’s a case of The Unfairer Sex. “Everything she does is perfectly fine and justified. Ranma is wrong in insulting her.”" EVERYBODY in Ranma 1/2 except for, like, Kasumi will inflict slapstick volence to the target of their annoyance. "It was worse than that. She ALLOWS Shampoo to try and KILL Ranma-chan after splashing him." The story does not treat Shampoo's attempts to kill Ranma seriously. It's played for laughs, it's exagurated comical violence that nobody in or out of universe thinks is a big deal. Even Ranma conciders Shampoo an annoyance at most. Also, it's not "Ranma-chan" it's just Ranma.]]

It’s the way to tell them apart from their forms. Male Ranma is just Ranma or Ranma-kun. Female Ranma tends to be known as Ranma-chan before adopting the alias Ranko when Nodoka comes by.

[[" Akane’s inaction is just as bad if not worse because, in her own words, thinks “he probably deserves it anyway.” ALLOWING him to get beat up by others when she could’ve stopped it is practically the same thing." So.. not bad at all because it's harmless slapstick violence?]]

“Harmless”, right… annoyingly repetitive is more like it.

[["Shampoo was trying to stop anyone other than Ranma from winning. Plus, there’s no way Akane would’ve gotten past Cologne anyway since she’s too skilled and Cologne would have no reason not to beat her. Ranma at the time was the only one who had a chance of beating Cologne" So, in other words, Akane's actions had no effect on the final outcome. So it doesn't apply to the trope. Got it. Glad we agree.]]

Hey, you’re going by the “logic” if she did win and get the pill, she’d give it to Ranma. Why can’t I go by the logic Cologne would curbstomp her? Or Akane would’ve eliminated Ranma, thereby destroying any chance of him getting the pill because Cologne would curbstomp the rest of them?

[["Ranma at the time was the only one who had a chance of beating Cologne" Ranma did not ever have the slighest chance of beating Cologne. She only eventually gave the phoenix pill to him out of respect for his determination.]]

He still had better chance than everyone else. If he didn’t he wouldn’t have tied against her when they both destroyed each other’s watermelon/snowman. Ranma also had to resort to the Neko Ken to beat her.

[["And again, doesn’t change the fact Akane STILL interfered with Ranma DURING the fight against Hinako." You mean when she kicked Ranma to no effect when she saw him groping a woman's chest? Which, by the way, was before he tried (and failed) to explain the situation?]]

You forget she “gropes” Ranma-chan to “teach her a lesson” for “”trying to grope Hinako” during their battle.

{{"And there you go. Plus, she knew how the technique worked, making it worse." She didn't think something silly like that would effect Ryoga. She didn't even know why he was saying it.]]

Again, Nice Job Breaking It Hero!

[[Man, you keep getting facts about the series wrong. I have the books right in front of me and can easily fact check the assertions you make.]]

Oh really? I have the ENTIRE FREAKIN’ DVD COLLECTION and can easily fact-check your denials.

Edited by NekoHybrid

Well, the problem here seems to be that the manga and anime characterisation is completely different for some characters, especially as the manga allows some of them to evolve and change to a much greater degree. Ryoga and Akane in particular are much nicer near the end of the series.

Edited by SquallCloud

Basically, a page that mixes both the anime and manga series together is going to have lots of contradictions.

That can be easily fixed with just a minor "In the manga, he's this, while in the anime, this other trait is that." For instance, Akane used to be described as the two separate types of "Tsundere" on her character sheet, with appropriate distinctions between the two canons, but now only the Tsundere page itself makes that note. Then there's even positive events happening only in anime continuity, like her training period in the Sisters OAV, which are simply ignored by the work's multiple pages. That's a disservice to everyone involved within and without the collected work.

What shouldn't happen is outright denying the existence of either canon, however much we might disagree with it. Like I said above, I hate the anime for being badly-animated fanfic, but it has superb acting in multiple dubs, wonderful music, great OAV-only original stories or manga expansions that DO stick to Takahashi's characterization, and fun and interesting original characters. When someone substantiates their arguments with anime-only instances, all it means is that we need to make the distinction, NOT excoriate them or deny their existence.

"Are you not aware this series has an ANIME? Sounds to me you’ve never even watched it, otherwise you wouldn’t be so confused about “stuff that didn’t happen”."

And here we see a major issue.

The anime is a bad, Adaptation Decay ridden mess.

If you want to put these examples on the page, feel free to list them as examples of Adaptational Jerkass, an inverted Adaptational Intelligence example, and so forth. Because that's basically what they are.

Like, it really is amazing how every single event from the anime you listed makes Akane look meaner and stupider compared to the source material.

Since the anime isn't different enough from the manga to give it it's own trope page, any examples from the anime should be labeled as such.

Edited by tristan