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Shenwang
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10:36:10 AM Sep 14th 2014
So is there villainous counterpart to this trope out there at the moment? I see a few less than heroic examples on this page, but they're mostly Villain Protagonist examples like Yagami Light (which people have fairly enough taken issue with being here for other reasons anyway). Well, someone also listed Hitler in the Real Life section, but yeah. Seems wrong putting bona fide fictional villains here when the trope is called Celibate Hero, even though I can think of examples that would otherwise fit.
SeptimusHeap
11:19:45 PM Sep 14th 2014
Celibate villains ought to have their own trope.
ScarletSpecter
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05:10:44 PM Aug 6th 2012
edited by ScarletSpecter
A celibate is not a person who doesnít want to have sex. A celibate is a person who actively pledges to live a life without sex, marriage, and any romantic entanglements whatsoever. When you imply a person who avoids a relationship or just never shows interest is automatically celibate, in a certain context, thereís the insinuation that a person is simply obligated to pursue these things regardless of whether they contradict their preferences, standards, or sense of agency. Youíre implying that if someone makes an advance on a person, regardless of how attractive they are, itís odd to refuse their offer.

Can someone please edit this trope? This entire page, from the label of Discredited Trope, the copious amount of misused examples, to the article, itself, is written in a very patronizing tone. It's almost like the thought of someone actually being perfectly content to remain single indefinitely or someone putting other priorities above sex and romance, is somehow odd, if not unthinkable.

Really is this a Shipping mentality or are people honestly baffled by this phenomenon despite many tropers claiming to be Asexual? I just can't help but be offended by a lot of the underlying derision being displayed here.
ChaoticTrilby
10:57:06 PM Sep 11th 2012
edited by ChaoticTrilby
Here, here! The sheer number of characters listed for asexual behavior is staggering. In particular, Light from Death Note, who is very Ambiguously Asexual, and Luffy, who has been confirmed as asexual by the author himself. And then there's Count D who is "strongly implied" to be asexual. Even on the example page itself, furthering any confusion for readers.

I'm actually considering fixing this problem myself, but I'm a little hesitant about just removing every misused example of this trope on the page and elsewhere. So, I'd like to hear some more consent before going ahead.

Also, I'd just like to add that one of the "potential motives" (Sorry, I'm Gay among an Unwanted Harem of the opposite sex) does not count as celibate. At all. To be celibate means to experience attraction or interest in sex, but purposefully not acting on it because of some external factors (religion, for example.) If someone is gay, they hold no attraction to people of the opposite sex and their refusal to show interest in an Unwanted Harem is a result of just that - lack of interest or attraction. Not celibacy.

Get it right, or prepare to be swamped by angry asexuals.

EDIT: Didn't see one particularly glaring example until after I posted this, but Tim Gunn was listed as a Celibate Hero despite considering himself asexual. Really, now? This is just getting silly.
Stoogebie
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10:03:45 AM Mar 5th 2012
edited by Stoogebie
How come this is listed under Discredited Tropes?
CloverGoldngreen
03:07:15 PM Mar 7th 2012
Because celibate characters tend to come off as uptight and prudish in this day and age. Nobody likes those kind of characters.
jatay3
09:59:27 AM Jun 3rd 2012
So in other words not having had sex makes you an Acceptable Target?
CloverGoldngreen
11:50:23 PM Jun 18th 2012
No, actively avoiding sex makes you one.
-_-
12:21:38 AM Jul 16th 2014
What kind of nonsense is that? You've to have sex to be a good character? Enjolras(which I don't like by the way) is a Celibate Hero and he's one of the most beloved characters in Les Miserables by fans.
SeptimusHeap
01:38:05 AM Jul 16th 2014
Methinks the reason why this trope is listed under Discredited Tropes is because changing sexual conventions have made more openly sexual characters more fashionable in works, reducing the importance of this trope.
jatay3
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11:47:52 AM Jun 4th 2011
Do we have a separate trope for an involuntary celibate hero? Someone who just hasn't been lucky in such things.
LBHills
03:44:47 PM May 1st 2013
edited by 69.172.221.8
Only Hollywood Dateless, and even then, only sometimes.
Lale
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11:18:42 AM Sep 26th 2010
"Just not lucky" and "indifferent" contradict the trope description.
jatay3
10:00:36 AM Jun 3rd 2012
True. But I was wondering what the trope for "just not lucky" is?
VVK
10:55:56 PM Oct 18th 2012
In a similar vein, I removed this type:

"Actively avoids love interests because he doesn't have a love interest?"
Kolikeos
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11:44:42 AM Aug 26th 2010
I only see the hero addressed as a "he". Is this trope male-only?
Embryon
11:08:23 AM Aug 3rd 2011
I was wondering that too.
jatay3
10:05:14 AM Jun 3rd 2012
That is the generic male. It was used to mean "human" before Political Correctness Gone Mad. While the English language does have gender-neutral words for human(like human)a lot of them would be unaesthetic in many writing contexts.

Obviously unless specified by further subtroping, Celibate Hero would also mean Celibate Heroine.
ThePaintedMaypole
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04:48:56 PM Apr 26th 2010
When did Simon have sex in the pilot for Firefly? If you're thinking of that scene with Inara, I'm pretty sure she just told Mal she slept with Simon to piss him off.
jatay3
11:45:06 AM Jun 4th 2011
Really? I never thought of that interpretation. I thought he just was afraid River had been abused and assumed that Inara was the obvious place to get such stuff. And that Inara was covering that up because Simon didn't want to embarrass River.
jatay3
10:12:06 AM Jun 3rd 2012
In any case the reason I thought the pilot was an aversion was that Simon did not have ruffled clothes or signs of embarrassment and in fact looked clinical. Simon is inperturbable about medicine and he is even inperturbable about danger, but he is not inperturbable about relations with the opposite sex. Furthermore Inara specificly said she was providing medical supplies. It was an enigmatic scene but the most likely interpretation I thought of was that he expected a Companion to have specialized medical supplies that he did not have, and that the only reason Simon would want those would be that he was afraid River had been abused.
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