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11:23:10 PM Aug 22nd 2015
This trope might need some repairs, because I see it used a lot in the context of things that would make anybody angry. Stuff like, "don't kill his little sister!" or (on symphony of the night's page) "don't trap him in a nightmare in which you, an evil demon, mess with his memories by posing as his mother!" (obviously not exact quotes)

When someone does something that's outright evil to a character and it makes them mad, that isn't this trope, that's just normal emotions. Not every example of anger is an example of Berserk Button.
03:40:34 AM Aug 23rd 2015
You are completely right. There is a clean-up project for this very problem, which probably needs more muscle.
07:50:35 AM Dec 4th 2015
edited by Arawn999
I think the problem lies in the description line:

In dramatic works, the Berserk Button is often tied to something important about a character; a particularly hated enemy, or a painful failure that hits too Close To Home. Insulting the memory of a dead family member, for example, or pitying someone who insists "Don't You Dare Pity Me!." If you're unfortunate enough to hit someone's Berserk Button in a dramatic work, being on the receiving end of a rant is the very least of your worries depending on the situation and the character.

This completely clashes with the below line:

This trope is not about anger in response to something that would reasonably enrage someone, like a loved one being hurt or threatened, being personally insulted, or otherwise treated in a way that's disrespecting, because that is a reasonable response. If you see such an example on the page, or were link here by such an example, please remove it.
02:05:04 PM Mar 13th 2014
Is there any set basis for instilling a No Real Life Examples, Please! on pages other than neutrality? How could real life examples of this trope compromise neutrality? Is not acknowledging what pisses people off a staple of the Swiss Congress?
07:17:09 PM Mar 13th 2014
NRLEP is decided by a set voting process carried out in the Real Life section maintenance thread. The item must be up for a minimum amount of time, and it must accumulate at least ten votes in a 2:1 stable ratio. Come take a look at the current crowner if you like.

This only applies to tropes that aren't default NRLEP.
06:40:45 AM Mar 14th 2014
Listing every real person who gets angry at things is not only pointless but also basically Troper Tales. We don't give a crap about it and it is utterly irrelevant to the wiki's mission.
09:06:49 AM Mar 14th 2014
edited by
Alright, fair enough, so then wouldn't it be prudent to put the rationale behind NRLEP on the main page instead of making a cute little wiki roleplay at the expense of people knowing why it's there in the first place?
02:28:09 AM Mar 15th 2014
10:12:18 AM Mar 16th 2014
edited by
As much as I like the humor in that part, I agree that it would be a good idea to explain the reason why it's No Real Life Examples, Please! in the description for people reading it. If we don't want to change that line we could always add a note.
12:10:39 AM Dec 7th 2013
If this is a No Real Life Examples trope, shouldn't a lot of the ones in the Music section be either removed or put under Fandom Berserk Buttons?
06:07:43 PM Sep 3rd 2013
What is it you call someone that intentionally/unintentionally pushes berserk buttons.
12:29:42 PM Jan 21st 2014
Isn't that usually called a "button pusher"?
12:36:34 PM Jan 21st 2014
I don't know what it's called, and it's not a trope right now.
06:39:56 AM Mar 14th 2014
A Troll?
03:17:10 AM Feb 15th 2013
I have the feeling, that the description for dramatic works is at odds with the general description. The general one is about "seemingly innocuous" things like mentioning height with disproportionate reactions, while for dramatic works it is mentioned that "threatening someone they care about" would be one - which is hardly innocuous. I think the latter works less well, since this tends to be a roaring rage of rampage or something akin to that, so that this trope would only be a clone, while I always understood the Berserk Button trope to be about this one hidden thing that puts someone over the edge and it wouldn't be expected if you did not know him.
03:52:21 PM Nov 11th 2012
We need to get rid of the Real Life section. There are too many examples and many of them are very personal.
06:59:13 AM Nov 12th 2012
Alternatively, they're general statements of things which can cause anger (e.g. "A mother gets mad if you harm her kids"). Bring it up in this thread.
04:43:10 PM Oct 16th 2011
Aren't a lot of the examples just cases of people being angry for very justifiable reasons? Example: "Assassin's Creed I: Do not kill people whom Alta´r loves. He will fly into an Unstoppable Rage and go on a Roaring Rampage of Revenge." That's not a Berserk Button. It's perfectly understandable for someone to be violently angry when their family is harmed. A Berserk Button requires something seemingly innocent as the trigger.
07:13:48 AM Aug 22nd 2012
I was thinking that very thing. Another example is Charles in Little House on the Prarie "Anyone attempting to harm his wife and children." Who wouldn't get angry at that?

A lot of crime/medical shows have "Violence against women and children" which is pretty normal to me. Doug Ross from ER could count though because he's extreme about it (losing it, sometimes physically, on people he only suspects of abusing a child without much evidence).
07:02:02 PM Jul 26th 2011
Should this article be split, there seems to be enough variety between it's use that it could be two- or three tropes.

one for Berserk buttons that trigger,Oh, Crap! Moments in who ever pressed it.

ex; Mocking a Dead Little Sister

one for serious but not rage-filled outbursts when pressed.

Three: Where the Berserk button is either used for comedy or has a comedic reaction.

04:39:30 AM Aug 1st 2011
I second this. When I think of Berserk Button, I think of things that send people into an Unstoppable Rage, things that lead to a No-Holds-Barred Beatdown or even Cold-Blooded Torture for vengance, not merely a stern lecture or angry outburts. Plus, some of the examples of real life berserk buttons look like they were exaggerated for the point of comedy. For example, saying "Joisey" in New Jersey will get you beaten black and blue or even killed? In reality it'll usually get you laughed at or at worst mocked. I think it should be split into two pages.

1. Berserk Button: When something sends characters into a fit of rage that induces an Oh, Crap! or This Is Gonna Suck moment. 2. Pet Peeve: When something annoys a character enough that they say something about it, usually irritatedly, or at worst Dope Slap the other person.

Two examples from Annoying Orange that would fit in each place.

1. Berserk Button: Marshmallow's reaction to Grapefruit torching his picture of Princess Butterflykiss. 2. Pet Peeve: Midget Apple telling people "That's LITTLE Apple!" when they call him Midget Apple.
11:38:44 PM Jul 15th 2011
edited by AltoonaMan
Many examples here do not show the characters exploding in a fit of rage but only getting irritated. Berserk Button is not the same thing as Pet Peeve, but the two are being used interchangibly on this wiki.

For example, let's say that Goku loses a penny, here would be his reactions.

Pet Peeve: I lost a penny, dammit! I HATE when that happens.

Berserk Button: I.......LOST......A.......PENNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *followed by Goku trashing the place*
04:51:33 PM May 22nd 2011
The Troper Tales page needs to be unlocked. I have a few Berserk Buttons myself.
04:55:03 PM May 22nd 2011
It was locked for being incredibly whiny and childish, with people displaying Psychopathic Manchild and internet tough guy behavior. "If you say (something innocuous, probably about some lame thing no one cares about) in front of me, I'll rip your head off durr durr durr I'm not a dangerous lunatic"
08:01:13 PM Mar 30th 2011
I don't think this quote belongs on the quotes page — there's nothing here to indicate a Berserk Button.

"Everyone has a conditional clause in their life, some little unspoken addition to the rules like 'except when I really need to' or 'unless no one is looking', or, indeed, 'unless the first one was nougat'."
08:00:19 AM Nov 1st 2010
Kyle Broflovski is normally calm except 1) when Cartman mocks Jews around him, and 2) when he's surrounded by the denizens of New Jersey.
05:21:57 AM Aug 29th 2010
Is it me, or can nearly all of the recently-added examples be boiled down to "don't do X to my favorite badass character, because that's when he's most badass". Not really Berserk Button examples, but just examples of when the character happened to start a fight in the originating media. That's not a Berserk Button in my opinion, it's just a plot point.

I mean, I might as well add "Don't magically paralyze Neville Longbottom and put a flaming hat on his head unless you want your snake decapitated!" That's not a berserk button... that's a plot point.
07:57:09 AM Aug 22nd 2010
So are all programmers batshit insane or something?
02:21:56 AM Mar 20th 2011
05:35:19 PM Aug 4th 2010
4th Aug '10 1:43:57 PM People who want to have uninformed opinions on certain subjects when there is all the evidence in the world that proves you wrong is the sign of a small mind. Educate yourself before you label ANYONE a pedophile.
4th Aug '10 1:43:51 PM People who want to have uninformed opinions on certain subjects when there is all the evidence in the world that proves you wrong is the sign of a small mind. Educate yourself before you label ANYONE a pedophile.
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The lady, she protests too much, methinks. =)
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