Discussion Characters / TheLegendOfKorra

Based on what?

Uh, based on Word of God? And also everything we've seen so far in the season?

If Word of God is that she's going to be a villain then yes, but for the moment no matter how obvious it is that she'll be an antagonist she isn't one yet, unless you count the trailer which isn't very clear anyway.

"Everything we've seen so far" is one episode which leaves her motivations and actions ambiguous.

Alrighty then, how about now?

... Yeah, she's an enemy now. I'm a little disappointed, she's become almost too much of a villain.

Seems good to me. Should we add a triple triad section though?

They aren't big deal, just some thugs on Repuplic City's street poping up from time to time. Equalists at last were main antagonist group of season 1. Anyway, Rava and Vaatu go to Others.

I agree, this looks good to.

Should there be a page just for spirits and other timeless beings such as lion turtles, maybe linked to both Korra and the original series character pages.

Do they fall under Ambiguously Evil: As they could be massively incompetent, or corrupt, or is that more Alternate Character Interpretation?

They are definitely corrupt

Sounds like a good idea to me, as long as we soft-split the page. But remember: Only move over confirmed antagonists. We're not supposed to even be adding stuff from the previews at all, but it's fine as long as no one's putting the crazy theories on the main pages. If something is not confirmed, wait until the show comes out to confirm it.

That's cool. I figure Hiroshi and Tarrlok would go into enemies. That would only leave Verrick in the Other Major Characters category. It would probably be best to just merge that with the Other Minor Characters category into just Other Characters.

Seems logical to me.

Her physique hasn't been touched upon by the characters so far.

You can tell if you have a discerning eye that her torso muscles are toned as well, thanks to her top being very form-fitting. Her upper torso has extra width to it due to upper body strength, and her midriff is somewhat bulkier than the typical "thin girl" midriff (not fat bulk but muscle bulk).

However, that critical last condition still isn't met.

Fair enough. When we start seeing her used for actual fanservice, we can put it back in.

Incidentally, "Bolin seems to think so."

Bolin is admiring Korra for her combat abilities. Do we put Hot Amazon back in? (To avoid yet more edit warring, I'll ask for consensus before doing this.)

Bolin lists Korra's buffness as a part of her appeal in The Spirit of Competition, but I don't think we have had any fanservice with Korra as of yet.

Just how necessary is the sexual fanservice? We haven't had any overt fanservice, this is a kid's show after all. Still, she does tend to wear tight clothes. I would say she qualifies. She fits all the other criteria so perfectly.

Muscular? Check. Mentioned? Both Bolin and Mako mention strength and athleticism as qualities they admire about her. Check. Emphasized? I'd say check. In particular, look at the shots of her from behind. You can clearly see the definition of her back muscles through her top. She's built like a gymnast, lean and wiry, as opposed to a bodybuilder. Compare her to the much more waifish Katara from the first series. Fanservice? Well, I think the tight top qualifies, but keep in mind this is a kid's show. If we have to wait to see her pose in a bikini, I think we're going to be waiting a long time.

The problem with the assorted Amazon tropes is that people put up any Action Girl they find attractive. However, Korra is established as being attractive because of her athleticism, not in spite of it. Besides, we already have all the other assorted Amazon tropes (like Amazon Chaser) around her, so I don't see why this one wouldn't fit.

I agree. Adult Toph doesn't look overly masculine to me, nobody in-universe has mistaken Toph for male, and its definitely not played for fanservice, which is part of the Bifauxnen trope.

And yet we still know next to nothing about him. He may even be Tarlock. Wait for more information. There's no context to him right now.

Now that he's been added, do we have anything to justify the Fantastic Racism entry? That seems like a big bit of speculation.

I agree, Sato seems like a Walking Spoiler right now.

So, I split it up, nothing revealing that Sato lost his wife to a Firebender, now placing all tropes that identify him as an Equalist, under the Equalist folder. Then, I kept anything revealing who he really is, as a spoiler. Like anything about him being a parent, which may tip off that he is Asami's dad.

Now, people should be able to see this and go, "Oh, looks like there's another Equalist, also lost a loved one to a Firebender, explaining why he hates benders... Seems he's the one who developed their technology, too.", but won't see the name or anything revealing about who they are unless they look beneath the spoilers.

As for Sato's actual entry underneath Other Characters, nothing down there would give away anything about his true allegiance, which is with the Equalists.

I imagine that by the time Hiroshi becomes a regular villain and direct antagonist to Team Avatar, it would probably be the time to unspoiler his Equalist entry and move everything from his Other Characters entry to there.

Well, I agree.

A viewer who knows about his Face–Heel Turn will know that he will have an entry in the "Equalist" folder, because that is what he is. And everyone who doesn't know will be satisfied with the entry under "Other Characters".

I don't really see how it is too confusing, frankly a character entry that would be two-thirds spoiler is much more confusing and a lot harder to read if you don't want to get spoiled.

It's ridiculous to start dividing character information based on spoilers. We don't do it for Wheatley in Portal 2, Kendra in Dead Space, or any of a number of characters in Naruto, One Piece, or Bleach. Treating spoilers like the plague doesn't make the list a resource, it makes it confusing for any outside reader. Just as Examples Are Not Recent, chopping Sato's entry apart in an attempt to hide an integral part of his character for the sake of not spoiling others is inherently a temporary thing. One way or another, he's getting merged. Better to do it now than carry on with this farce for a few weeks for the sake of spoilers.

I say move it back to one spot, under the "other" section, with spoilers labelled appropriately. It's a huge spoiler to see him under the Equalist section if you haven't been keeping up with every episode. It's not like this happened in the first episode—its 7 out of 12.

I say it is too vague. We actually need some tropes to put in his entry and the only think we know is that he was a thread and fought Aang at one point.

Well he might appear in the second season I mean this series is going to take up to 26 episodes.

Any links? Anyone? All I can see from the staff recently is them saying it's in production.

Don't have original links, but I distinctly remember the Avatarspirit forums heavily discussing it when the creators announced that each season would have its own villains.

Well, there was some discussion about a year ago about Nick asking for "distinct", 13-episode story lines when they first ordered Book 1. Though that could very well have gone out the window after they ordered Book 2.

Toxin, since you changed it, do you have any new information, or was it simply an assumption on your part?

Unless Toxin actually bothers to answer, I am going to change it back. I googled a little, but I found nothing that suggest that Amon will be around for the whole series.

I don't know, seems pretty clear Mako sees Korra as the "dangerous" choice and Asami as the "safe" one.

Zuko-like doesn't mean every action he ever takes will be the exact same as Zuko would have done.

I get that. It's just that Mako doesn't even seem vaguely Zuko-like to me. I feel like we could call him a Mai Expy and it'd be just as accurate.

He was described as 'Zuko without the angst'. Which may qualify as a Dissimile, seeing as the angst was such a huge part of Zuko's character.

Seriously, the explanation for almost ninety per cent of his behaviour boiled down to 'daddy issues'.

These Expy entries are getting ridiculous. Comparing Mako to Zuko was one thing, but now he's also a partial expy of Sokka just because he's a big brother in the same franchise? At this point, why not just, say, call Tenzin an expy for Iroh because he's an elder figure in a mentoring relationship with a hothead?

As for the discussion with Bolin about Korra, that technically hasn't happened in series yet, so hold off on that. Now lets get to the wealth part: Mako hasn't shown any disdain for wealth as far as I've seen in the released series. He's not disdainful of wealth, per se, he's disdainful of Korra not appreciating what she has. He admires Hiroshi Sato's success story, obviously hoping to emulate it himself, but he dislikes the fact that Korra has had everything handed to her in life. That doesn't sound like hypocrisy to me, and fits his character perfectly. He's had to work for everything he has in life, just like Sato worked his way to the top, so he doesn't begrudge Sato his success. On the other hand, he perceives Korra as being given everything without having to work for it, simply because she's the Avatar. Now, we've seen her working hard at training and the pressure she's under to perform her duties, but he hasn't. He just sees her as some celebrity.

Long explanation, but in short, I don't think it fits.

All Korra had said was she was pretty well taken care of and he was fairly rude about it. But Asami who too has things handed to her on a silver platter gets of scott free, but of course she buys him dinner and is able to get her dad to sponsor his team so his tune is a little different.

Possible, but we've seen nothing about him being rude to Asami about that in the show, so it's a little premature to call him a hypocrite based solely on that. Besides, the main point was Korra not being grateful for what she has, not that she had it to begin with.

He specifically said that Korra was in no place to judge the choices he made to survive, since she was never in the same situation. So unless he has the same argument with Asami and the outcome is different, it has nothing to do with hypocrisy.

The way the relationship scene is shaping up, it's less hypocrisy and more self-interest. Do we have a trope for someone giving bad advise on purpose to give themselves an advantage?

I'd hesitate to call it that even without some more context. It could be a case of My Brother Is Off Limits. This is why I discourage putting up tropes that apply to episodes that haven't aired yet.

My mom constantly is commenting how Korra seems rather endowed for a girl her age when watching, so there may be some merit to it.

I do personally think they have aesthetic similarities, what with the white face/mask and the dark clothes.

Both do have power from the spirit world. Konda is fighting against he spirits, but he started the war by stealing a piece of the spiritworld, and by doing that, he gained magical powers.

But we don't even know if amon really does have power from the spirit world, and at least the image you posted features a man with no white makeup on his face and yellow/golden clothes on.

Are the creators magic the gathering players? Is there any other reason you'd think Amon would be based on this character?

Can we at least wait until the character is introduced?

This isn't the Western Comic-Book Superhero genre, though.

No. Please read that trope. It's not "character with large breasts". It's "all superheroines/supervillains in the comic book genre have large breasts."

For that matter, read No Lewdness - we are not here to editorialize about a character's attributes or attractiveness.

As of Episode 2, he's a mentor first and foremost. Let's wait for further developments.