Reopening “Kiara Frog” Discussion
Kiara uploaded a video
which finally established “Frog Kiara” is a separate character from herself. I’ve suspected this for a while due to the frog Kiara on her desk, but this firmly confirms it.
This also throws into ambiguity the rest of her “Am Animal” skits as whether they are actually the main Kiara or alternate versions of her.
At the very least, I think Frog Kiara should be given a separate folder in hololive - Minor Characters. For the rest of the animals, idk. We could scrap the list, move it to Running Gag, or include it with Frog Kiara as “Other Animals” maybe, but listing them under the Main!Kiara is no longer accurate.
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I'm okay with making a minor characters entry, but someone is going to need to see how she plays out this week as Frogwawa.
I feel the list should be listed as a running gag entry anyway.
^She's about to do a whole stream using what seems like the Frog Kiara model. Seems like a Smol Ame situation.
I feel more comfortable with moving it over to Running Gags too tbh
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Shouldn't the Gura video at the bottom of the page go to Gura's page?
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Thought I'd run this by here first. Amelia got featured as a voice pack in the video game, Paladins. It was only her by herself and was done to commemorate her hitting 1.5 million. Think this is enough for her to count as Breakout Character?
After looking at this discussion and the ITAE response, I would say yes, since the key part of the requirement is that the collaboration features Ame and only her in it.
Okay cool. Though in future if it were two of them in a collab, I still think could count.
Two should still be okay I think. I want to avoid a situation where all it takes for a character to qualify for Breakout Character is for them to appear in some official crossover or collab, because in that case like half of hololive would qualify (just look at the number of characters featured in the Dawn of the Breakers crossover, for example), and doing so would defeat the purpose of the trope IMO.
Yeah I agree if it was like a whole generation or something, that would be a bit much. But ones where it's clear they carefully picked certain girls.. well it'll be a case-by-case thing.
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Should the logo be added? And if yes, should it be this image or cropped in?
Yes. That is official representation of the generation, and there's no page image there.
Try cropping it so the logo and "MYTH" are not downsized.
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Yep, but should it replace this image?
And yeah, we would need to crop the logo because otherwise it would be way too small.
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^ Oh, I didn't see that one. That's in "The Group as a whole", but why not add the logo outside the folders?
Sure. A small image would fit the page description we have at the top (even though it's minuscule at the moment).
For now, how does the crop look, not too close?
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Hmm... maybe we should move the image I linked above into the page description section, and leave the logo in the "The Group as a whole" folder? Since the linked image is actually really tiny compared to others so it would fit the small page description the best.
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The new official website has changed Amelia's height from 150 cm to 160 cm.
I went to adjust it on the holoMyth page, just like I did with Mio (whose height was adjusted from 155 cm to "165 cm without ears and with heels"). CJO 123 reverted the change soon after, and is deliberately not answering to my 3 hollers.
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For what it's worth, Ame did a member's post the other day and someone brought it up to her, and she had this to say
◊. Based on this, it sounds like it was an error and she still has to let 'em know.
It is most likely an error. The site listed a bunch of things wrong like saying that Coco was an OG, when she’s clearly not.
Ame just confirmed in her Anniversary stream that 150cm is her canon height and the website messed it up.
For Kiara species listing, proposing the long list of species from her "am __" shorts to be listed as Secondary species, as no matter how you break it they are not going to have as much significance as the primary species given in her lore of being a Phoenix.
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Agreed. I'm not even sure where all these secondary species even started. Did she mention them herself? It's obvious that all the Am X videos are just for fun.
Apparently because one stream had her bring up the frog thing again and that supposedly made all of them canon.
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Yeah... I think at this point there's too many of them, so perhaps we can do it like the way mentioned here, or add a secondary parameter like ~Snowy66 said? What do you guys prefer?
Oh, for Cat though I would argue that's a primary species as well since it's part of her outfit.
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Maybe a combination of both, have the list be in a collapsible form in another parameter.
About that though, few points of note.
During Am Cat, at the end she drops the cat cutout, then appears as her proper Cat Alternate outfit and says “don’t f**king expose me like that!” — implying that she had been caught pretending.
Then during Am Shark, she did that as a present to Gura and also mentioned making “am shark” video onstream.
Any thoughts?
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For Cat, the reason I treat it as more 'canon' than the others is because it was given a whole segment in her casual outfit debut stream (she also states that she is a cat with no indication of comedy there), which we can all agree has no ambiguity on how 'canon' it is.
Yeah, I think for the Am Shark one, if she states that it's only for Gura's birthday then we can treat it as 'not canon'.
And Snowy, did you get a message notifying you of my reply? I just want to know for testing purposes.
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Yeah she’s a cat due to her alternate outfit, but not necessarily from the “Am Cat” sketch.
I did not.
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Ame just did a stream with smol Ame, using her 3D VR model, and appeared at the same time as regular Ame. She establishes smol Ame was being brattier and more rude than regular Ame. Since this is a character change, does this mean Ame's 3D VR model image is eligible to be added as one of Ame's alternate outfits?
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=Characters.Hololive#comment-127053
The criteria here is that it has to be a new, significant change that isn't simply a costume change, and/or is plot relevant somehow.
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Indeed. This is what allows it to qualify.
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Is there a good reference for Ina's casual/artist outfit? She's the only one without her second outfit listed.
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So this entry I added got removed:
- Been There, Shaped History: In a meme review with Coco, it's revealed Amelia was the one responsible for Coco landing at Hololive, having been instructed by Yagoo and traveled back to 2019 to snipe Coco out of the sky as she flew over Hololive.
Yes this is a fan comic, but both Amelia and Coco state it actually happened. We've added information on the page based on tonnes of random things the girls say, so I see no reason why this shouldn't be included either.
And yes, it is a Stable Time Loop, but Time Loops can still fall under Been There, Shaped History. I'm indifferent about which it is included under so long as the entry isn't outright deleted.
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I was thinking of adding that under Stable Time Loop when I watched the stream, and I think it fits better. Been There, Shaped History is when a character was present (if not responsible) for a significant historical event in human history. Coco's origin story of literally crashing into Cover Corp HQ isn't something that'll go down in the history books in the grand scheme of things.
- edit* Also, the way it was worded takes the comic itself as matter-of-fact, with no mention of Amelia or Coco's reactions or comments about it. That's the bigger issue.
I agree, putting it under Stable Time Loop would be better than putting it under Been There, Shaped History, due to the nature of events that have happened in the comic.
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Stable Time Loop is fine, just think it should have been moved rather than outright deleted.
I should note that something created by fans can be added to TV Tropes as long as the hololive member(s) in question acknowledged that it did happen or "this is true", and didn't state they were joking afterward (which are both true for this example). As I said before, what the holomems say are Word of God as they are both the character AND the writer of their own 'story'; therefore, what they say can be taken as canon.
Still, you should probably mention that the idea originally came from a fan-comic for clarity's sake, more than anything.
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Okay how about this?
- Stable Time Loop: In a meme review with Coco a fan-comic, which Amelia and Coco confirm depicts actual events, reveals Amelia was the one responsible for Coco's Hololive career, having been instructed by Yagoo to travel back to 2019 and snipe Coco out of the sky as she flew over Hololive headquarters.
Calli and especially Gura are growing larger than the others and are likely going to need to be split into their own pages at some point in the future. Do we have a protocol for this? I'm not sure how large the other idols who have individual pages are in comparison, or if a forced split was necessary to avoid the hard text cap of the page.
I don't think they need them yet, but I'm pretty sure Gura will be the first.
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No definitive protocol for this, when it happens it happens and we'll deal with it then.
I actually do plan on giving Calli and Ina their own page soon (because there's already an character entry for Death-sensei and AO-chan, character that originated from and are exclusive to their channel) so splitting IS going to happen, at least for those two.
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Well, in that case, I'm just going to go ahead and make a split for Gura. It's obvious that the English channel has drawn quite the attention to a few different tropers, as evidenced by just how many edits the En/Myth channel has received in the last year. I'm still relatively new to Hololive, but I can only guess that Haachama and Suisei earned their own pages from their own popularity as well.
For the sake of convenience, which would probably be most convenient for a page name?
HololiveGawrGura, HololiveGura, or HololiveGawrGuraChannel?
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Ok, fair enough.
" hololive - Gawr Gura Ch.. " would be the ideal imo, because that's what it's actually called in Gura's channel (ignoring the "hololive-EN" fluff), so it's as accurate as possible.
Actually, the real reason why Suisei, Fubuki and Haachama got their own page is not because of length, popularity etc. but because they have multiple characters within their channel that are worth their own entry, so they are placed in their sub-page to separate them from official hololive talents. But excessive length is also a valid reason to give hololive member their own page, I believe.
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hololive - Gawr Gura Ch. it shall be then!
There. I believe I properly linked her to all the other channels, but there may be some touch-up editing needed.
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BTW, I wrote it as "Gawr Gura Channel" on the page because that's how Suisei's page is written on the other pages.
I was the one who wrote it as "Suisei Channel" (you will notice other use Ch. instead). I deliberately wrote it like that because on Suisei's youtube channel name, it IS actually stylized just like that; being as accurate as possible to the source material is what I'm trying to do here.
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I would say for the sake of consistency that it wouldn't be a bad idea to. I already moved Gura. Asoktenchea is going to work on Calli and Ina. That would be kind of odd to leave Ame and Kiara out. The page would just look weird. If we're doing this, then we might as well just pull the trigger and just do it.
I agree, and on the topic of consistency I think Gura's page image (as well as Kiara and Ame's when they get theirs) should be a tall portrait image too like Calli and Ina's, that or change 'em all to their model's.
In that case, we don't even need the Gen 1 Myth page, the "Group as a Whole" thing can just get moved back to the main EN page.
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We're gonna get a Holo EN Gen II at some point: https://twitter.com/hololive_En/status/1360061826629705738
So I think the Holo Myth page should still remain, since that's where the "Group as a Whole" folder and its tropes would go, even if the rest of the page is just redirects to the other girls.
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Would that really be enough tropes to warrant a whole page? Plus it feels counterproductive to be first redirect to EN, then be redirected to EN 1, then to the specific girl. Why not go straight from EN to the respective girl?
I'm aware of auditions. With that on the horizon, we'll eventually get EN 2 split off into seperate pages too, so that'll be two pages for each "group as a whole" EN gen, while the main EN page is just a stack of redirects.
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Please see https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=Characters.Hololive&id=131652#comment-127985-131644 . We have decided to implement a metric that you need to meet from now on because of people abusing the page splitting function.
Also,
"From now on, any new character subpage that does NOT meet the conditions stated will be removed."
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I support the metric, but that's not my point. A page just for "Group as a whole" just doesn't seem warranted and it's going to result in page upon page of redirects.
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Nevermind. With this metric, we wouldn't be splitting Kiara and Ame. Aight, no longer an issue.
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That's true... Perhaps when everyone in Holomyth gets their own page, we should move "Gen 1 in general" back to the hololive English page and list the redirects there instead.
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My opinion is that once you start splitting off individual character pages, you should just split the entire generation off into individual pages. It allows for better futureproofing and indexing.
e.g. you have the individual branches in the main index; within each branch you have the generations; and then if an individual generation starts to get too big split off the individual characters and turn that into an index itself. It's also more consistent.
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This discussion is already over. Tvtropes does not like excessive page splitting and it should only be done if a page has hit its size limit.
And if you're already splitting the page, then the page should be split along lines that make sense—either work down the page or split everything off. Comparing with other character pages where this has become necessary, that's how it goes: split main characters off in order of prominence and as they're listed, then stop when the remaining page is small enough.
Doing it this way is inconsistent, as it's going page link, normal folder, page link; and then the minor characters are actually on a subpage with an idol, when it would normally be e.g. idols under one heading, then the other things under a minor heading, and splitting off the idols in the order they're listed. The only situation I can think of that a character gets split off in another order is when they accurately fit under several character pages—e.g. as Fubuki is.
The current split is messy and inconsistent.
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I think I get what you're saying. But the thing is, hololive is not like most other media.
I have said this before but the reason why 'minor' characters are in a subpage with an idol is because they are NOT the same as the other hololive members in classification.
Like, for practically any other media you can group major and minor characters together in whatever way you want because they're all just frictional characters within a given work, but this isn't the case for hololive. Characters like Anemachi, Kurokami, AO-chan aren't official members of hololive and thus it would be syntactically incorrect to group them together.
What we are doing right now is encapsulating these 'minor' characters within a 'space' of their own, this being their associated hololive member's channel. By doing so, we simultaneously make clear that they are NOT official members (Title of page being [Hololive member's Channel] + "Character subpage for characters that originated from [hololive member]'s channel.") AND gives them a place to stay on TV Tropes. And just on the off-chance that you think we shouldn't have an entry for Anemachi etc., I'm sorry, but you're wrong.
I'm speaking from my experience as a programmer and this is what we call modularization, something that's actively encouraged and seen as an universally good thing, especially on projects with many active contributors. Keep in mind that a TV Tropes mod has also agreed with what I was saying.
There's ALSO the fact that individual pages/namespaces for a single channel are going to happen at some point whether you like it or not anyway. Just take a look at Characters/HololiveSuiseiChannel; there's already a Funny/HololiveSuiseiChannel page using the same namespace. This Funny/HololiveSuiseiChannel page exists because otherwise there's no other practical way to group Suisei's Funny entries by the games that she've played in the Funny/HololiveIndividualMoments page.
In summary, there are multiple reasons as to why a hololive member might need an individual Characters page; reasons that most other works do not need to worry about. However, if given hololive member's Characters entry is just a simple one-character entry, then there's no need for them to be split unless they have to be split due to excessive length, since that's what TV Tropes members seem to prefer.
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I'm a computer science Ph D, explanations of modularity aren't required.
Nor am I saying don't split pages, I was saying that when they are split it generally happens working from the top down. This does not deny the existence of accessory characters like that in any way. Now, I think I finally worked out why it's split this way (your explanation is currently three references deep) and if the splits aren't required by page length but to group idols and minor characters, I don't see why that isn't handled by having subheadings inside the relevant folders. That's how most character pages handle characters that need to be grouped that closely for whatever reasons. That's exactly what making a subpage is doing, anyway.
Though on matters of page organisation, why exactly are they listed in this order? It's neither alphabetical nor matching the banner. Debut time?
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I do agree with your point that not going in order does make it look inconsistent. In that case, for those who do have pages then maybe forget about folders and just link their page at the top like so:
Characters with their own pages:
and the rest of the folders below
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"I don't see why that isn't handled by having subheadings inside the relevant folders. That's how most character pages handle characters that need to be grouped that closely for whatever reasons."
I believe TV Tropes sometimes do this with characters with alter egos/personas, but grouping characters like siblings (Anemachi), chat mods (AO-chan) and possible Legacy Characters (Death-sensei) inside a single folder with their idol seem very weird to me tbh. IMO since they're their own character in their own right they deserve their own folder, plus it would look messier and messier the more entries we add to the one folder (e.g. if we really wanted to, we could probably write like 10+ character entries for Fubuki Ch.; just see the " The Many Variants of Shirakami Fubuki " section on this page)
"Though on matters of page organisation, why exactly are they listed in this order? It's neither alphabetical nor matching the banner. Debut time?"
The order is actually directly copied from the Japanese hololive wiki (see the column at the Left side of the page). For the most part, they are listed by debut date, though their Gen 1 order confuses me quite a bit as unlike the rest, it doesn't seem to follow debut date.
Good idea actually, we should do that.
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Yeah, listing the characters with their own pages first makes sense.
I believe TV Tropes sometimes do this with characters with alter egos/personas, but grouping characters like siblings (Anemachi), chat mods (AO-chan) and possible Legacy Characters (Death-sensei) inside a single folder with their idol seem very weird to me tbh. IMO since they're their own character in their own right they deserve their own folder, plus it would look messier and messier the more entries we add to the one folder (e.g. if we really wanted to, we could probably write like 10+ character entries for Fubuki Ch.; just see the " The Many Variants of Shirakami Fubuki " section on this page)
It's definitely something I've seen done with alternate personas and pets; only the sibling would be a bit more unusual for not getting most hololive-related tropes from the idol.
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Personally, I don't see the problem with grouping secondary characters under a miscellaneous subheading. Like with that logic, Kiara's manager Jenma would go on a page with her too.
It does get a bit strange as some characters are more or less just accessories all the way to people who are just associated with only one of them for some reason, and there's the other case where what could be a separate character entry is embedded in tropes for the main character (e.g. Bloop, or I think Matsuri's mother on the gen 1 page).
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Jenma's a different case because she's actually a hololive staff so that's why she goes in the hololive English page, also the same reason why A-chan is in hololive Japan instead of a page with Sora. Can't say the same for others though.
Yeah... there's still a lot of work to be done here. Though I suppose we could do what you said for hololive mascots, since they are essentially pets. Maybe for Death-sensei too since he doesn't actually appear within the work iinm (i.e. hololive).
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idk, it's just to me Death Sensei doesn't feel deserving of a folder to themselves anymore than Bubba does. Literally nothing is known about him and the majority of the tropes scrounged about him are about his physical appearance. His folder is absolutely tiny but he's also the reason why Calli has a page to herself. In fact Bubba related tropes under Amelia's folder could fill up far more.
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Yeah, maybe moving mascots/pets to a subheading within the main idol folders would be the easier way to do it? Death-sensei isn't really any different from that aside from Calli using him as a stand-in for someone she actually knows to stay in character. Bubba is actually more of a separate character due to being audible on streams (and therefore having the amusing distinction of being heard in other streams sometimes).
The real question is AO-chan due to being the chat moderator.
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True... Alright, I guess I'll move Death-sensei's entry to within Calli's folder and remove Calli's page then. Not because of the length of his entry but because of his 'mascot' classification.
AO-chan however is neither a mascot nor a hololive member/staff, so she wouldn't go in Ina's folder or hololive English...
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Welp... looks like about 4 months later, the time has come. Since Calli and Gura's folder's word count are fairly similar (10,816 and 11,991), I'd say we move their folder into Characters.Hololive Mori Calliope Ch and Characters.Hololive Gawr Gura Ch respectively. Looks like you're getting your wish after all, ~DRCEQ.
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I figured it would only be a matter of time, but I don't blame anyone for wanting to make sure it would get to that point first. Alright, I'm gonna move Gura's content.
So bringing out the Breakout Character discussion again. Gura just had a sponsored collab with BanG Dream! Girls Band Party!, this time with her collab stream specifically advertised in-game and a special Gura themed item available to commemorate the collab. This collab being made possible is a direct result of Gura's popularity and her famed skill with rhythm games, as social media explicitly advertises this collab with "popular vtuber Gawr Gura".
Do you guys think this is enough impact for Gura to count, or should we wait for more?
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I'm not sure if Breakout Character can even apply to Hololive. It's an objective trope about the production of a show completely changed so the narrative focuses around the new main/now-major character. Hololive doesn't really have a narrative. If Yagoo started saying that all the idols would have to start supporting Gura in her activities, that would be one thing, but having Gura's popularity mentioned in a Crossover doesn't quite count, in my opinion.
I think you missed the previous discussion. We had a cleanup of Breakout Character usage for hololive. After extensive discussion and consultation, it was established that "creation of new content" including A Day in the Limelight instances can count, with the only example that passed being Korone starring in a game. All the others were misuse.
OH, yeah I forgot about that detail. Hmmm I still the trope is too muddled to apply. I think I'll sit this one out.
Sounds pretty valid to me (according to our previous discussion, of course). One question though, is it ONLY Gura in that collab? If yes, then go ahead with the entry.
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Should we have the Walfie models (which were shown today, and Kiara and Calli are currently using) as a group image under the group folder? Or should each one be added individually for each of the girls?
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Yes, we should. Because it falls under one of the Alternate Outfit cases (the 1st one) listed in the Note about Character Images.
Though I will note that each of the models should go under their respective character's folder, not in the group folder.
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I'm not sure how to ask this or how best to do this but what's with the descriptions for each of the girls?
Gura and Kiara have their character descriptions listed first, while the rest have their, I guess statistics (can't think of a better word but basically the debut date, artist, fanbase name, and so on) listed first, and then their description. Species is also listed separately from the other descriptors, and aren't even listed for Ame and Ina. While they're human (albeit under an Eldritch Abomination's influence for Ina), should it still be listed? Plus, I think Kiara's done her whole "am [x]" a few times that it'd raise the question of whether or not to add the other things she says she is under species. Am crow, am sheep, what have you. Also, Ina has the description for her cover of Unravel for some reason. It's a nice song and all, and is kind of a meme, but you have the two who have original songs (Calli and Kiara) without such a thing. Then it'd raise the question if song lyrics should be added for Gura and Ame too, and at that point, I'm just not sure what the purpose would be other than maybe showing off a song that gets associated with 'em (likely Ride on Time for Gura and, idk, Kiss Me for Ame).
Basically I'm just wondering what's to be done about the descriptions since some parts of it feel all over the place.
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Oh I see. Gura and Kiara have their descriptions from the Hololive website as an introductory quote, but not the other 3.
Oh boy, that's a lot to cover. Welp, here we go...
The endgame for the description on each of the Characters profile is to have them like hololive - Haato Ch. & hololive Japan - GAMERS. i.e. We write our own description for each character. So it's Kiara and Gura's profile that's outdated.
That's intentional for consistency's (and clarity's) sake. Basically, any information not in the official profile is kept separated from the official ones. For example, check out the hololive Japan - Generation Two page to see the rest of the 'statistics' that we should aim to add to the EN girls in the future.
The answer is YES. Get troping! (Just don't forget to link the source of the information. Primary source that is; wikis/reddit do NOT count. For 'statistics', it's pretty much MANDATORY if it's not on their official profile). Well... for Ame though, iinm, she's just regular human so unlike Ina, it's not really necessary to list her species since the default is "Human".
I would say yes. They're in the same series as the "am frog" one and the "am frog" is definitely canon since she explictly said she's a frog when Reine asked her on-stream once, so the rest should be canon too by extension.
You know how Characters profiles on TV Tropes have a single quote in the description before all the big paragraphs? Well, since hololive members are idol, I think it's thematically fitting to use lyrics from a song to, you know, represent them (and also because a single quote for a real person with what? years of content doesn't do them justice IMO). Essentially, it's hololive members' equivalent of the epic badass quote that you see on a typical Characters profile. Again, see this thread for reference.
Yes. If a hololiver has an original song, then we should probably use the lyrics from them (unless the lyrics doesn't really say anything meaningful about the character, or if the song is just not iconic enough etc.). Ina doesn't have an original song so unravel is used because that's the most iconic song associated with her (a good, but not foolproof way to tell is by View Count), doesn't matter if it's a meme or not. For Gura and Ame, if what you listed are their most iconic song, and they have some pretty meaningful lyrics in them, then feel free to add them on.
HOWEVER, I should note that the lyrics part for the Characters profile isn't something that everyone MUST have, since for some characters on the Hololive Japan pages, they don't really have any suitable lyrics to pick from ATM so their profile just omits that part for now.
In summary, if you're confused about what to do in the Hololive English Characters pages, look at the Hololive Japan Characters pages. It's true that there's a lot of work to be done, but ultimately, consistency is key, my friend.
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Perhaps the first thing is to handle the descriptions then. It sounds like we should try to add our own character descriptions that aren't just the official ones, since while Gura and Kiara's are listed first and are the "official" ones, the others also use the official ones too and are just listed later. I propose these descriptions:
- Calli: The apprentice of the Grim Reaper, a scythe swinging reaper, rapper, and workaholic business lady getting shit done, Calli works hard on her music in addition to her streaming. Seemingly cool and aloof, but is actually a big softie. She often has chatting streams, enjoys a good drink often, and likes to stream RPG Maker games.
- Kiara: Part idol, part warrior, part fast food manager, all phoenix; Kiara is very excitable and extroverted, always full of energy, and often rather perverted. She's trilingual with a grasp of English, Japanese, and German, and is able to communicate with her Japanese senpais pretty well. Her preferred genre of games to stream are JRP Gs.
- Ina: A priestess who came into contact with the the Ancient Ones, granting her tentacles and making her not quite so human. Ina's usually quiet, but loves to dish out silly puns like no one's business. She is an artist who does drawing streams each week, and even drew the group image on this very page.
- Gura: A small shark with a big heart, Gura has been around for a while. She likes to prank her genmates during collabs, and is usually kind of boneheaded at times, but she's also very emotional and wears her heart on her sleeve. She excels at rhythm games, and she usually does karaoke streams, along with the occasional horror game.
- Ame: Seemingly the most normal looking of the group, but is actually a time traveling detective, Ame often plays FPS games and puzzle games, as well as platformers, and does a chat stream each week. She has a reputation of being a salty gamer due to her stubbornness and frustration with games at times, even sometimes trash talking her opponents, but she really is sweet as she is salty, hyping up and appreciating her genmates very often.
Admittedly, I don't actually watch all of them daily (really just one of 'em) but I feel like I've watched enough to get a grasp on what they're about. I'm also not exactly sure what kind of games Ina prefers for instance. Still, how's that?
Edited by xVanitas
Admittedly I haven't really watch Holo EN streams for a while now so there might be things I'm missing, but here's what caught my attention:
Really? I know she streamed Mad Father and Ib before does she really do it often to warrant it being mentioned in her profile?
IMO I don't think we should mention it being on the page, since the group image could change in the future. You could instead mention it being the official promotional image in Holo Myth's debut trailer?
But other than that, I think these look pretty good.
Edited by Asoktenchea
I thought Omori was either an RPG Maker game or a send up to 'em, and I know Ao Oni, despite it being a horror game, is made through RPG Maker. Also I looked a bit more and it looks like she has RPG Maker Sundays, so I think she does like those kinds of games.
As for the group image, although I can't imagine the group image changing any time soon, saying that it's the official promotional image for their debut trailer does make it future proof.
I think I'll start adding the descriptions then.
Oh? If RPG Maker Sundays is actually a thing that yeah, I guess we should leave the RPG Maker part in then.
Alright, it's a go!
Edited by Asoktenchea
CSP for the rest of Myth?
For the last few months, I have been making Character-Specific Pages for the remaining three Myth girls since they were getting long. Is there any protocol for how to decide to incorporate them? Here are the pages:
Hololive Ninomae Inanis Ch
Hololive Takanashi Kiara Ch
Hololive Watson Amelia Ch
Thanks in advance.