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Sartain and Jaffe

'Yes' to Tahir, Sartain, and Jaffe. Think I'll say 'Yes' to Negaduck as well.

@Elfenlied: As the person who originally proposed Roodaka? That....never happened. Not in-story, at least. I THINK whoever mentioned this to you might be basing it off of a one-off line by Greg Farshtey, the creator of the franchise.

But even then....along with being nothing but a single line Word of God, which we don't in general use when discussing CM candidates, it's not given any solid redeeming qualities to it. It's just like "Roodaka moved to the new peaceful world and lived there."

edited 21st Aug '17 10:17:25 PM by Ravok

WHAT A WONDERFUL DAY!

Thanks for the clarification. I Really need to check this franchise a little bit. But yeah...... There won't be any candidates from that franchise anymore since i think all of the CM from there got approved no? And the guy called Makuta Teridax set the BIONICLE standard very high

EDIT: And yeah, Everytime I saw BIONICLE...... It kind of reminds me of Ninjago series. Speaking of Ninjago.....Anyone in there counts?

edited 21st Aug '17 11:06:53 PM by ElfenLiedFan90

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."

So, for Doc Ock, here's the reply I got back: "There are a few inconsistencies, but no worse than you get if you look at any two random Spider-Man comics. "

So, I think we can chalk this up to Depending on the Writer and move on (though I WILL have to merge the 2 sections of the 90s novels).

Tahir. Lacks the body count of some of the others, but a much more personal villain, and still does enough IMO to count,

Sartain & Jaffe.

CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts

to Sartain and Jaffe.

Tahir, Sartain and Jaffe.

...

His nickname is "BJ"? Oh boy.

Does Isaiah Washington have another CM or will Antoine Sartain be his first?

Also, is Bill Cox Paul Bettany's only CM? Both Sartain and Cox are villains in Harrison Ford movies appropriately enough.

edited 22nd Aug '17 5:55:22 AM by futuremoviewriter

That was, without a doubt, deliberate. The first movie isn't subtle in its message about date rape.

Huh........ I thought that BJ was actually a character from Barney

edited 22nd Aug '17 5:59:20 AM by ElfenLiedFan90

"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."

DeCandido's response:

So yeah, I'll just chalk it up to Depending on the Writer and keep Ock (and the others). I'll definitely reformat the 90's novels section though, and I know there may be a few more proposals (I may have one from a Daredevil novel, as well as maybe Strucker and Hobgoblin; I know Overlord may also have another one, as well as some non-90s novel stuff).

It's so good to get Word of God on continuity issues; otherwise I'd drive myself crazy.

CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts

Sartain also tries to escape a few times too rather than fight or kill, but it's only because he's lost his gun by that point. It's not redeeming.

I have a few entries I'm looking to clean up (like the one for Wade from The River Wild that went unnoticed), but for now:

• Hollywood Homicide: Antoine Sartain is a greedy record producer and the owner of Sartain Records. When one of his acts Klepto discovers Sartain is stealing the money made from his music and puts him in jail, Sartain orders Klepto to be shot in the streets. When rap group H2OKlick discovers Sartain doing the same thing to them and tried to follow suit, he sends two armed gunmen into a crowded nightclub they're performing in and has them killed too. He later has Leroy Wasley kill the two gunman so as to not have to pay them and to cover his tracks. He also has Joe Gavilan, K.C. Calden and witness K-Ro shot at in a drive-by. Later on, he shoots at Joe when Joe publicly chases him, threatens bystanders at gunpoint who get in his way and then tries to kill Joe in a fight when he won't let Sartain escape.

edited 22nd Aug '17 3:08:40 PM by futuremoviewriter

Tahir, Sartain, and Jaffe.

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."

Sartain, Tahir

Alrighty, got a couple things to do here...

First up, I'm gonna go ahead and pencil my name in on the Discussion Dates page for the new animated Spider-Man series. Probably completely unnecessary as I do believe I'm the only one around these parts who gives two cents about Marvel Animation these days (Not too surprising considering the quality...), but still, I'd like to be thorough. Any objections or offers for team-ups are welcome.

Second up, I've finished Uncharted: Lost Legacy. Cool game, any questions or desires for conversation on it are welcome over PMs before the two week period is up.

Finally, got all my write-ups here, finally. Finally. Any thoughts, especially on Bateman's rewrite, are welcome.

• Demon King Darm is the ultimate evil behind several of the franchise's villains, and indirectly has a hand in most of the others. When just a human by the name of Cain Fact in Origin, Cain made a deal with the Darkling leader Dalles to grant him access to the kingdom of Ys, leading to Dalles' forces slaughtering and burning much of the kingdom and its innocent residents. His ultimate plan being to use the Black Pearl to become a God of Evil and the lord of demonkind, Cain was an abusive beast to his children as well, pushing them to their limits in training to give himself a good image and later having them both be subjected to demonic essence experiments to test and see if his bloodline could survive the potentially fatal essence increase. After failing to destroy the rest of the Ys kingdom to grant the Black Pearl its full power, Cain fused with the Pearl, becoming Demon King Darm, and, though sealed away for centuries, Darm later returns in Ys II. Darm uses Dalles as his Dragon to have dozens of innocents sacrificed to him to enable his eventual escape, at which point Darm plans to enslave all of humankind, killing much of it in the process to solidify his rule. Whether as a human or as the self-proclaimed Demon King, Darm was pure evil, gladly willing to sacrifice the lives of his friends, family, and even his own race if it meant granting him the power he believed he deserved.

• Ys IV: Memories of Celceta: Gruda is a sociopathic darwinist obsessed with "testing" humanity for its right to exist. Having fallen into evil during his youthful days, Gruda betrayed his entire village to join the cruel Romun Empire, using his position to gather forces to his side. Once arriving in Celceta, Gruda has his Co-Dragons Bami and Gadis attack several villages to test his latest magical masks, using them to take control of the bodies of several innocents to use as his forces, with the controlled people fully aware of their surroundings as they are controlled. Manipulating the naive Leeza into attacking his former village to save her master, Eldeel, Gruda betrays and tries to murder the girl, before doing the same to his supposed master Eldeel himself, revealing his plans to bring about the apocalypse using the Akashic Records, then sit back and watch as humans either die out, or only the "strong" manage to survive the coming onslaught. Defined by his obsessive and ruthless nature, Gruda cared for nothing but satisfying his own curiosity as to whether humans deserve the gift of life.

• Ys IV: Mask of the Sun: In this non-canon version of Ys IV', Guruda is here presented as a manipulative sadist lusting after the Golden Temple. Having used his silver tongue and dark magic to corrupt Lord Eldeel into evil, Guruda uses his position as Eldeel's side to perform horrific demonic transmutations on dozens of innocents, turning them into his demon slaves filled with pain and rage. After ordering Leeza, Eldeel's former servant and love, to be killed in front of him, Guruda reveals his plans to take control of the Golden Temple with Eldeel as a puppet ruler, then use the temple's magic and weapons to annihilate countless people until he is propped up as the god of Ys.

• Ys IV: Dawn of Ys: The Lord of Slaughter Arem is a mad tyrant who once plagued the lands of Celceta with destruction and darkness as he lived up to his namesake by butchering countless people and laying waste to the kingdom. Though sealed away for centuries, Arem returns by way of his Dragon Guruda, who commits numerous atrocities to free Arem. Once released, Arem proclaims his plans to turn the world of Ys into a living Hell where he will torture and burn every last man, woman, and child for all eternity, and, even when beaten, Arem tries to drag Adol down into Hell with him after absorbing the souls of his own followers.

• Transformers: Dark of the Moon: In the novelization by Peter David, Sentinel Prime loses all of his film counterpart's redeeming features, turning the somewhat sympathetic Well-Intentioned Extremist into a psychopathic Knight Templar. Having made a deal with Megatron eons ago to betray his allies the Autobots, Sentinel fulfills this deal in the present after pretending to assist the Autobots, showing his true colors by ruthlessly executing three of his "brothers." Sentinel steals the Pillars from the military group NEST by threatening its director, Mearing, stating that if she doesn't give him the Pillars, he will force her to watch as he slaughters every man, woman, and child he can until she does. Lying to humanity to get them to force the Autobots to leave Earth in exchange for Sentinel's offer of peace, Sentinel goes back on his word, orchestrating a full scale invasion of Earth by the Decepticons and personally overseeing the blood soaked conflict in Chicago. Sentinel ultimately plans to transport as many humans to Cybertron as possible, then torture and abuse them into reconstructing Cybertron, leaving the rest of humankind to be destroyed alongside the Earth by Cybertron's gravitational field. In the end, Sentinel treats the deaths of Autobot and Decepticon alike with cold satisfaction, proclaiming that he will be the only god left on Cybertron when the dust settles, proving once and for all that, despite his claims of wanting the best for his people, Sentinel truly only cares for himself and his supposed claim to godhood.

• American Psycho: Patrick Bateman is a despicable and narcissistic psychopath who moonlights as a horrific mass murderer while keeping up his public image as a stock broker. Bateman's career of torture and murder having started for no discernible reason, his most frequent act of depravity is luring women to his apartment, then brutally raping and butchering them in the most horrifying ways he can imagine. Be it nailing them to the floor, lopping their heads off, or bisecting them with a chainsaw, Bateman indulges in every act of sick cruelty he can muster, and even delves into cannibalizing his victims. Bateman's evil is so petty and unpredictable that he disembowels vagrants after giving them pep talks, takes an ax to one of his associates for, among other slights, having a better business card than him, and tortures defenseless animals. One of his crowning moments of vileness comes when Bateman slashes a child's throat, then pretends to be a doctor trying to save him, just to see how it feels, quickly deciding it isn't as fulfilling as killing someone who has lived a full life and thus loses more when he ends them. After going on a slaughter spree throughout his city, gunning down every one he sees, Bateman comes to the conclusion that he is completely and totally wicked with no capability of care or compassion for others. Though the idea that some of his crimes were imagined by him is implied, Bateman's character is nevertheless pure evil. Driven by his sadism and pathological desire to be important, Patrick Bateman fully earns the various terms he is referred to as: an inhuman, a ghoul, and a monster.

• Dark Gods by Justin Jordan: The unnamed CEO is a chaos-loving sadist determined to unleash the serpent god Tiamat. The CEO uses his social media company to subtly drive dozens of people insane across America, using them to commit various atrocities from mall shootings to burning themselves and others alive. The CEO, after butchering dozens of his employees with demonic forces, drives several members of the Storm insane and kills them. Even when captured and beaten, the CEO reveals he has arranged for Tiamat to be released onto the planet, and plans to enjoy the view as she brings destruction and death across the planet.

edited 22nd Aug '17 12:55:05 PM by Ravok

WHAT A WONDERFUL DAY!

I've planned on watching it too. Are you cool with a colab, Ravok?

Huh, someone else who is watching Marvel Animation nowadays. Thought I'd never find one! But sure, I'd be glad for a collab. We can take it to PMs if you so wish.

WHAT A WONDERFUL DAY!

So, finished a horror trilogy and we got us a candidate!

What's The Work?

The Pine Deep trilogy is the debut work by horror writer Jonathan Maberry. Taking place in the town of Pine Deep, Pennsylvania...the town, of course, has a dark secret: thirty years prior, the Serial Killer known as The Reaper stalked Pine Deep, claiming over a dozen victims. A black drifter and Blues player named Oren Marsh, nicknamed The Bone Man by the local kids, was exposed as the killer and killed by vigilantes.

However....not really. In fact, the true killer was local farmer Ubel Griswold, an ancient werewolf who took to preying on the locals. Discovering Griswold's true nature, Oren rescued several of his intended victims and faced him, killing the monster and sinking his corpse beneath the swamp, known as the Devil's Hollow. A group of young men who idolized Griswold blamed Oren and murdered him...Oren's ghost continued haunting Pine Deep,, but in a twist? As a benevolent force trying to save the town...Griswold's evil spirit survived, trapped beneath the swamp, and he's spent thirty years plotting his return on All Hallows Even.

Who is Ubel Griswold and What Has He Done?

His name is a bit of a cruel joke, translating roughly to 'Wolf from The Grey Forest'...Griswold is ancient, going back to at least Roman times, and as we see in flashbacks, he's been a savage killer the entire time, killing people for fun and food and relishing in it. Initially intending to lay low in Pine Deep, a bad blight wiped out his cattle...deciding not to hold back, he became a vicious serial killer that stalked and devoured adults and kid alive. Now, when he was killed...Griswold decided to change tactics. Kept imprisoned by the Bone Man's spirit, Griswold was still far more skilled at supernatural abilities than he was. He reached out psychically to an admirer of his named Vic Wingate and set up the plan. Being known as The Man to his acolytes, Griswold put in plans for the Red Wave.

Vic was able to briefly summon Griswold's spirit into the body of a victim of his that escaped. Using his body, Griswold went out for a night of wild partying that ended in him raping a woman named Lois, who Vic later married under Griswold's direction to look after the resulting child. Now, Griswold always figured he might be killed as a werewolf, so he had contingencies...making a serial killer named Karl Ruger as his other top enforcer, Griswold set up Ruger's death and return as a vampire (which goes by old folklore that requires someone to die, be given human blood as a corpse or just be irredeemably evil, etc). Griswold has Ruger set out on a mass slaughter of men, women and children to revive them into the vampire army, while also reviving any other dead with his necromantic power. He slowly has the army built up, while making his son Mike's life hell through Vic. The reason? being sired supernaturally, Mike is a dhampyr, which here gives him special properties against evil...if he's killed by something evil, the resulting psychic backlash could kill Griswold for good...but kill him by someone good, and Griswold could absorb his power. He takes another former groupie of his and pretends he's God speaking to him to convince him Mike is evil and to murder him before Mike's powers develop enough to be a major threat.

So, come the end of book 3, Griswold has Vic set off the charges of explosives he's rigged at the town power plant and other vulnerable spot to feed off the death generated. He has Ruger lead an army of vampires through the town, massacring and reviving more to empower himself and build the army. Griswold then has said vampires descend into a chaotic orgy before he annihilates most of the army to harvest their blood and flesh to build a new form. When the heroes are fighting back, Griswold reconstructs himself into a new outright demonic form, intending on devouring an innocent woman as a sacrifice to complete the ritual, telling everyone there how old he is and how they all deserve death "just because you're all too stupid to be allowed to live." he proceeds to kill his former host body, Terry, who's become a werewolf as well when he tries to use Terry's wife as a sacrifice before mocking the heroes about their dead loved ones, before revealing he plans to cause a full on Apocalypse, sweeping the Red Wave through every human area, killing everything in his path and reviving them as he goes to build a new army. The ending comes with a huge fight between the heroes and Griswold, ending with Oren managing to manifest and helping to fight back. At last, Griswold is destroyed for good and his soul sent right to hell where it belongs.

Heinousness?

Worst in series, being the driving force of evil throughout. Vic Wingate and Karl Ruger are atrociously evil co-dragons, and may be worthy of posts themselves, but every bad things in trilogy is right on Ubel Griswold who gets hundreds, if not thousands, killed by the end with massive apocalyptic implications.

Redeeming Qualities?

That's funny. He cares nothing for his servants, and when Vic is killed, he feels him die and just acts amused. He uses the vampires and promptly devours most of them without a second thought. Initially, he was laying low in Pine Deep and feeding on his own cattle, but had no compunction murdering people when it became convenient. Hell, he even mocks Crow about how "your brother squealed like a little girl when I gutted him" after we've seen his brother's death in flashback. He admits he's 'disappointed' by his progeny Terry for betraying him, but beats him death to sadistic relish. As for his son, Mike? He says he'll lock him up with the lupine terry until Terry gets hungry enough to eat him, before gleefully describing to Mike how he used Terry's body to violate Mike's mother. "Oh, she was sweet, my little dhampyr! Would you like to know the things she did? The things she liked? Would it shock you? Would it make you scream the way I made her scream?" And after he beats Mike down,he comments "I've wanted to do that since you were born, you worthless waste of blood."

His intention? "I can raise all of the dead across the world. Every cemetery is a fresh battalion for me, and as I kill my enemies they will become my newest recruits. Nothing can stop me. Not now, not ever again. Can you smell the fire and blood? That is the perfume of Armageddon."

So, yeah, in a nutshell? Zip.

Conclusion?

While it takes a while for him to actually enter the story in the flesh, he's a malevolent presence throughout who's an easy, easy keeper who drives the plot. Keep the bastard.

The Roodaka bit makes me think of that alternate universe that one of them visited where The Great Spirit died and all the characters migrated to Mata Nui. Roodaka and the Piraka all made a Heel–Face Turn and even Teridax had some sympathy applied to him. Granted in the regular Universe Roodaka is probably the least heinous of the approved CM's.

Someone also added Coldsteel to the Gargoyles page

• Coldsteel is the only villainous gargoyle without a Freudian Excuse. Demona is angry about the way humans treat gargoyles and Thailog was programmed to be evil, arguably, neither would have been evil it wasn't for evil humans. Coldsteel seems to be evil for no reason at all. All of his actions are motivated by petty romantic jealousy. He is actually proof that gargoyles are just as capable of being good or evil as humans.

Outside of him not going through the thread, the example doesn't really say why he counts, just that he's evil. And while he is the most evil member of the Scotland Clan, he's easily far below the other villains in terms of villainy.

Griswold. I assume Vic and Ruger both get killed?

"but kill him by someone good, and Griswold could absorb his power. He takes another former groupie of his and pretends he's God speaking to him to convince him Mike is evil and to murder him before Mike's powers develop enough to be a major threat."
Wouldn't the groupie be an evil thing killing Mike?

CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts

Coldsteel/Iago fails the heinous standard hard

Said groupie isn't evil. The plan was to make him think he was acting righteously.

edited 22nd Aug '17 1:58:26 PM by Lightysnake

Griswood

Im also am to checking out the new Spider Man show, and hope that its better than that Ultimate Spider Man show.

to Tahir, Sartain, Jaffe, Negaduck I guess, and Griswood.

Griswold

Yes to Ubel. That is one Griswold who I'd never want to spend a Christmas Vacation with.

edited 22nd Aug '17 3:20:30 PM by FriedWarthog

Writeup time.

The Brotherhood of Satan: Doc Duncan is leader of the eponymous cult of elderly men and women. For many centuries, he and his followers have been brainwashing children into joining his coven, with the intention of possessing their bodies to extend his life after killing their families with an inanimate object that he brought to life through magic. The first thing he does in the film is crush a family underneath a tank while they're in their car. Next, he uses a child's doll to kill the parents of two children before spiriting the children away. When Alice comes in to meet with the Brotherhood, he sends the spirit of their baptized grandchild to Hell before ordering his followers to beat her to death. Duncan has Mike killed as he tries to snap his son out of a trance. Once he's gathered all the children needed for the members to possess, he orders each of his followers — and himself — killed with burning swords, after which they successfully hijack the bodies of the children.

City of the Dead: Elizabeth Selwyn is the leader of a witch coven in the ghost town of Whitewood, Massachusetts. She and her followers offer two sacrifices a year in exchange for immortality. Prior to being burned at the stake, she had sacrificed many victims, including children, and cursed the town to degenerate into Unholy Ground. She sacrifices Nan when she finds the underground tunnel, and then goes after Nan's brother, Dick, her boyfriend, Tom, and acquaintance, Patricia, once they arrive in Whitewood. Selwyn orders the mute servant girl she abused, Lottie, murdered for trying to tell Dick the truth about her. At the film's climax, she takes Patricia away with the intention of sacrificing her, and throws a dagger at Tom's back while he's trying to lift the cross in the graveyard, and he dies shortly after. Obsessed with her desire for revenge against the town and the prolongation of her own life, Elizabeth Selwyn is a dangerous, murderous witch who cares only for her own immortality and flees when she sees Tom killing her own coven members.

Contracted: Brett "BJ" Jaffe is a Serial Rapist and a carrier of the zombie virus. He seeks out women and has sex with them, either consensually or not, infecting them with the disease and causing them to deteriorate both mentally and physically over the course of three days, after which point they reanimate and he lets them spread the plague further. Jaffe is introduced in the first movie giving a spiked drink to Samantha, then taking her to his car to rape her. Later, he's shown taking a woman to his house from a bar, and is stated to have had sex with several other women besides Samantha. In Phase II, he is first shown having a prostitute perform oral sex on him in his car, then throwing money to her into the parking lot and injecting her with an unknown substance. Jaffe stalks Riley, who had given information about him to the cops, and takes him away, threatening to bring harm to his family and to him. When Riley is hospitalized, Jaffe straps a bomb to his own chest and tracks him down, threatening to blow up the hospital, and gunning down a few cops, patients, and doctors just because he can. Motivated only by a need to feel something, Brett Jaffe looks down on the human race with scorn and is utterly obsessed with wiping them out.

edited 22nd Aug '17 3:36:56 PM by Stellarvore