Subpages cleanup: Complete Monster

Given the casting of certain films, that might be the best typo since MODOK shitting down Iron Man's suit.

Alright! I will effortpost this certain character from Twin Star Exorcist. But quick question. This character actually respected the main character but there's this dialogue thrown in the way:

• Main Protagonist:How stupid are you!? I'd rather die than side with you!
• Candidate in Question:I'd say you're the stupid one. You haven't changed at all in 2 years. You always run away...You stand before the door to gaining incredible power but you always turn away. Your crime, R, isn't killing the dormitory Kids or failing to bring me down. Your crime is....Your lack of commitment to becoming truly powerful
• Main Protagonist:Gasps
• Candidate in Question:I've grown bored of this chat. I suppose I'll take my leave.
• Main Protagonist:You!
• Candidate in Question:When next we meet, try to entertain me more, R.

Quick question.......Does this dialogue come across as mitigating for you guys or not?

And then there's the fact that this candidate in question's backstory was actually told by one of the characters. And spoiler alert, Here's the story: So the main villain of this series is a twin brother of the main heroine, The bigger bad/The bigger good (Depends on the story portrays him), Abe no Seimei, delivered a Yang energy from Ame-no-Mihashira tree to the main heroine's unborn self but his plan went out of focus given that the main heroine has a twin brother that could rivaled the main hero's Yin and felt the existence of this candidate in question felt unnecessary to this world since he's an imitation of Yin itself. But here's the thing, He isn't aware for about this fact when recovering in Ame-no-Mihashira tree and has a joy to see the world will lead to it's destruction and if you said that he doesn't count due to being made of evil, I said no....He got a full agency and capable of understanding human morality since he has an ability to act as a Bitch in Sheep's Clothing and then use this act to commit some heinous acts So with that being said, Does this come across as a mitigating factor or no?

edited 19th Aug '17 1:13:11 AM by ElfenLiedFan90

Holy crap, I hadn't even thought of that part of it

And BTW, I think I'll hold off on Hobby, just because I don't feel like doing it at the moment . Plus continuity-wise, there's another trilogy that brings back Doc Ock and mentions Strucker, who was last seen in the prequel to the novel with Modok 1.5; said prequel was mentioned in the first novel with Carnage. So after I read that trilogy (it may be awhile), I'll take care of all the effortposts.

edited 19th Aug '17 7:45:22 AM by ACW

@Ravok I admit, I haven't read the book yet, although I've heard he's much worse in there. I just seem to recall reading somewhere in this thread that that moment disqualifies him (in the movie, at least). Although it occurred to me after I posted that it probably doesn't, considering his monologue at the end.

edited 19th Aug '17 8:21:38 AM by Stellarvore

The books are a lot more explicit about his crimes and that includes child murder. Although the film chose to avoid blood and gore for the most part, we still see enough crimes and hear him monologue about how little he cares for the victims that he still qualifies.

Anyone have a thought about the thing that I posted. Since I would love to heard forum opinions about it for the character that I will proposed. Don't worry, I'll try to wait patiently.

@43110 Also thanks man for the write-up for Professor Clover. I really appreciate it

edited 19th Aug '17 8:20:49 AM by ElfenLiedFan90

As of itself, it doesn't look mitigating

Also, no problem you did a good job on the effort post and write up!

Thanks, I'll see what I can do about the effortpost for this certain character from Twin Star Exorcist if I have time. And yeah, Try to read my P Ms regarding Clover's additional crimes tyvm :)

Also, If anyone thinks that Patrick Bateman's movie version counts as a CM. I'm okay with people effortposting him. Since I really found this character a bit interesting like I want to know why he loves murdering people or stuff. But yeah, Let's just say that he doesn't qualify as for now

I don't think it's needed when we have the book version.

I'd also say just post the Exorcist villain and see what we think

I found this on YMMV.The Seven Realms Series

• Complete Monster: GAVAN BAYAR. He's racist, he's a rapist, he's a murderer, frames Han for several of these murders, and he sets fire to the Lower City in book four. Thankfully, Han feeds him to a flock of magical birds who eat him alive.

on The Wingfeather Saga

• Complete Monster: Bonifer Squoon, so very much. He used to be a shy, bookish man who was friends with a man named Ortham Wingfeather. He was in love with a woman named Madia, and was enraged when she married Ortham. So he pretended to be Ortham's faithful advisor, all while secretly plotting to make him suffer. Madia had two sons, one of which, named Davion, was born severly deformed. Despite this, Madia loved both of them. However, Squoon kidnapped Davion and told Madia he was dead, then, along with the evil Ouster Will, with whom Squoon was conspiring, he raised Davion through lies, claiming that Madia never loved him, because of his deformities. Davion believed these cruel lies and grew up to become Gnag the Nameless. And that's just the beginning. He's also the one who helped Gnag's army get into Anniera, causing the invasion that supposedly killed Esben. In The Monster in the Hollows, he kidnaps a little girl. In The Warden and the Wolf King, he turns himself into a Giant Spider and tries to kill Janner and Kalmar! He is the "monster" referenced in the title of The Monster in the Hollows, and holy cow, does that describe him perfectly!

On YMMV.Operation Chromite

• Complete Monster: Lim Gye-Jin, the film's main antagonist, represents all the worst traits associated with North Korean communism. Apart from showing dedication towards his beliefs, he shows clear symptoms of sadism, taking time to toy with his victims before killing them. He holds no regard for human life, gunning down two of his own men and using a civilian woman as a human shield.

edited 19th Aug '17 11:49:26 AM by Silverblade2

He does sound pretty bad, but burn that writeup. Maybe get the troper here.

Here's what's pending, not including Ultron and the Ys stuff.

• Gerridon (MasterGhandalf)
• Lightysnake
  • Oldna Poseidal
  • Man in Black
  • Augustus Giovanni
• Ravok
  • Novel!Sentinel Prime
• Scraggle
  • Krona rewrite
  • TAO rewrite

edited 19th Aug '17 10:45:58 AM by ACW

Speaking of pending write-ups.........I think everyone forgot about Kiara Sessyoin from Fate series E Pd by a user called doineedaname. She's got an unanimous vote but she never got a writeup tbh given that she got buried by other candidate. But eh, I'm fine if someone's trying to do a write-up based on her.

And yes, I'm still trying to do my EP on this Twin Star Exorcist character. But beware that this EP will be a long one

edited 19th Aug '17 10:57:18 AM by ElfenLiedFan90

A favor: If the EP's long, that's fine, but please don't make it any longer than it needs to be. I find myself only skimming through the really long ones.

Yeah.Don't give us plot summaries. Give us an overview of why the villain counts as a CM. It gets tedious when people decide to give us a long overview of the work with a ton that could be removed

Alrighty...

• Augustus Giovanni, the Giovanni Antediluvian and the most selfish and monstrous of his clan and family. A mortal merchant sired by the Antediluvian Cappadocius, Augustus masterminded the Conspiracy of Isaac to create enough chaos to murder and diablerize his own sire before exterminating the entire Cappadocian clan. Using his own family to become new members of the Giovanni clan, Augustus left the mortal bloodline intact, crafting his family into incestuous, cannibalistic necromancers who regularly enslave the dead and scheme and backstab for his favor and the honor of being Embraced. Desiring to supplant God himself, Augustus enslaves countless wraiths to eventually destroy the Shroud and cause the world to be utterly overrun by the dead so he can enslave them and launch himself to ever more power.

• Heavy Metal L-Gaim: Oldna Poseidal built the forces of the Poseidal Empire until he launched a brutal campaign of conquest and extermination to enslave or destroy all in his path. Exterminating his old enemies the Yaman Clan save for a few members, Poseidal sets up a brutal dictatorship, using his former lover as a proxy Poseidal by brainwashing her and having her commit atrocities in his name, with torture, murder and extermination being commonplace. Taking the identity of arms dealer Amandara Kamandara, Poseidal supplies weapons to both sides to keep the conflict going, making it even bloodier, so he can remain in power. When he reveals himself at the end, Poseidal gleefully attempts to annihilate all rebel forces, uncaring that this will kill many of his own soldiers as well.

• The Dark Tower 2017: Walter O'dim, real name Walter Padick is an Evil Sorcerer who abducts multiple 'special' children to use their psychic energy to try to annihilate the Dark Tower which protects existence from the hungry monstrosities that dwell outside reality. This is a process that leaves the children 'burnt out' by the end, where Walter discards them. Having a dark enmity with the Gunslinger Roland Deschain, Walter destroys Roland's home, killing all his fellow Gunslingers, the last being Roland's own father who Walter murders in front of him. When 11 year old Jake Chambers escapes Walter's men, Walter punishes them by forcing them to kill eachother and sends soldiers to destroy an entire village Roland and Jake have taken refuge at. Murdering the local seer to get their location, Walter ambushes Jake's stepfather and mother, murdering both- the latter by burning her alive- and draws a smiley face and taunting message from her ashes for Jake to find.When Jake is captured, Walter attempts to use him to bring down the Dark Tower and starts the apocalypse while facing Roland in a final battle.

• Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets: Arun Filitt, a brutal General Ripper who years ago, launched doomsday weapons to win a battle despite knowing it would destroy a planet with a sentient, primitive species known as the Pearls. Filitt sealed the records, fearing embarrassment, while murdering those who might know the truth personally. Years later, when the survivors of the species attempt to bring him to justice, Filitt has one captured and brutally tortured, before ordering him disposed of. When called to account for his actions, Filitt instructs his personal robot guard to murder even other humans and attempts to use a bomb to annihilate the remaining Pearls, caring nothing for those he's tried to destroy in his quest for glory.

• Fullmetal Alchemist: Father is the Big Bad of the series. A being from beyond the Gate given form in a small flask and named Homunculus by the nameless slave who would become Van Hohenheim in the Xerxes empire. Desiring to escape the flash, Homunculus would trick the king of Xerxes into a ritual that slaughtered multiple people to initiate an alchemy ritual that killed everyone in Xerxes and split their souls between Hohenheim and Homunculus, to the latters horror. Later founding the nation of Amestris and creating the Homunculi, he took the name of 'Father', guiding Amestris to become a military dictatorship that initiated military conflicts to provide bloodshed for an even greater ritual, including the genocide of the Ishvalan people. Intending to kill and steal the souls of tens of millions so he could devour god, or Truth itself, Father demonstrates cold sadism when he faces Hohenheim and his children again, mentally torturing them as he also abandons or tries to absorb his own Homunculi children. While he sees himself as an existence above humans, this is simply a reflection of Father's arrogance and pride, desiring to ascend ever higher, no matter who or what he has to destroy to gain ultimate knowledge and power.

Did Filitt and Father get enough votes?

If Father did, where on the page should he go?

Should Augustus go before or after Vykos?

Father definitely did. I believe Filitt did. Father should go on Fullmetal alchemist, at the front of the manga villains. He's the big bad there.

Augustus...doesn't matter

This is just my opinion, but I think Father's entry should mention how horribly he treats some of his homunculi children. Aside from leaving Pride to die, he had put Sloth in And I Must Scream situation - digging a giant transmutation circle around Amestris for decades with his bare hands. Not only is he the only capable homunculus to carry out the task, but given his sin, every action he took in life caused him nothing but pain and frustration.

edited 19th Aug '17 2:59:48 PM by Kookosbanaani

Sloth is too stupid to object to that though. He is more of a tool than a person. Father also brings some his kids back to life as well. There are worse bosses in fiction than him.

Lightsnake there is no section on "manga canon" villians on the Fma page. There is only "Manga/Brotherhood" canon section right now and I thought there was an agreement that his Anime counterpart didn't count. So I suggest spliting the page into the three canons of the franchise, the manga canon, the Brotherhood canon and the other Anime canon.

And about putting Father at the top of list. Shou Tucker is the most well known and (and popular) FMA CM. It you asked a random fan who they think the worst FMA bad guy is, they are probably going to say Shou Tucker. He should stay at the top.

edited 19th Aug '17 3:20:35 PM by DocJamore

I don't think that split is necessary. Just them from the manga is fine.

And Father is the Big Bad of the manga. We usually put those at the top of the trees. Father obliterates Tucker in heinousness and in impact.

People still hate Tucker more. And if Father sets the henious standerd so high then you should start thinking about removing examples because the other villians fall below it.

If you do not want to split the Manga/Brotherhood section up into seperate canons, then you need to put in the example only the Manga!Version of Father counts like in "Death Note" because the Brotherhood anime creators clearly intended to make his last moments sympathtic.

edited 19th Aug '17 3:30:11 PM by DocJamore

We take resources and ability into account. Tucker and the Gold-Toothed doctor clear that standard handily.

Who fans hate most isn't of much concern here, either. We'd have way more people on the list if we went by that metric. That said, I have no issue with Father's entry specifying the manga, same as we did with Light Yagami.

edited 19th Aug '17 3:27:37 PM by Lightysnake

"The manga version of Father is a being from beyond the Gate given form in a small flask and named Homunculus by the nameless slave who would become Van Hohenheim in the Xerxes empire..."

How's that?

Personally, I support putting Tucker before father sply due to the latter being there first, literally three episodes away from being a Starter Villain. But I don't care too much.