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Rudolph I'm guessing is posthumous? Also, add David too?

Killing 35 children alone would be enough. Plus, we've had numerous silent antagonists before (Michael Myers to name perhaps the most prominent). It seems to be a horror comedy, but if he's played seriously, I don't see why he shouldn't count.

edited 1st Mar '15 2:55:18 PM by ACW

Definite on St. Niklas, on Strasser, and Boogeyman.

I will say yes on St. Niklas.

I have rewatched Broken Arrow and will now do an effort post on the main villain of that film:

Who is Vic Deakins? What Has he done?

Vic Deakins was a solider with 20 years experience in the military. After being passed over promotion one time too many, Deakins comes up with a plan to hijack some nukes from a training exercise and use them to extort money from the US government. Deakins attempts to kill Riley Hale, his former friend and protege so he can steal the nukes. Hale survives and tries to stop Deakins. Mercs under Deakins' command kill some civilians near the area where the nukes will be delivered. When the military sends a team to recapture the lost nukes, Deakins' mercs kill them too. Hale manages to recapture the bombs, but Deakins messed with the keypad so they would arm if someone tries to deactivate the bomb. Now the bomb explodes under ground, not doing major damage, but the EMP and shock wave destroys a military helicopter that was chasing Deakins killing everyone on board, Deakins knew that would happen when the helicopter chasing him, so he bears responsibility for those deaths. Deakins also kills personally Pritchett, the man who was financing this operation for annoying with his constant complaining. Deakins says that is the first time he has personally killed someone face to face and didn't see what the big deal was. Near the end of the film Hale cuts off Deakins means of escape, meaning he will not escape the blast radius in time, but Deakins decides to set off the bomb anyway out of spite.

Is he heinous by the standards of work?

I would say so, Deakins was aiming for a body count of several hundred thousands, if not millions. The mercs were also following Deakins plan, so think the murders they commit can be put on Deakins head. Pritchett may have been the financier, put Deakins planned everything and takes the operation over entirely after he kills Pritchett.

Any Freudian Excuse or other sympathetic factors?

Well Deakins seems to be mainly motivated by spite and greed, so nothing sympathetic about his motives. I don't think he is very concerned about his men, some of them die right in from of him and he shows no reaction. Near the end of the movie, one of his men in missing and he wants him found before they leave, but I think that is due to pragmatism, he needs all his men and if Hale or someone else killed his guy, he would want to know, so he can secure his escape route. Near the end of the film, when he decides to set off the nuke for spite, his Dragon demands he shut down the bomb, not wanting to die, but Deakins doesn't care, saying everyone dies at some point. Now Deakins told his men that he would shut down the nuke, if he gets the money, but the fact that he was willing to set off the nuke out of spite, negates that in my opinion. Now Deakins might have been a nice person at one point, him and Hale seem to have a good friendship at the beginning of the film, but by the time we see Deakins in this film, its clear he has been consumed by bitterness and greed and doesn't care about anyone but himself, by this point he was merely maintaining a friendly pretense to enact his plan. Deakins also says he plans to invest his money in Volvo, happy in the thought he will help make the safest cars in the world, but I think he was just being ironic there.

Verdict?

I think he counts.

edited 1st Mar '15 5:19:54 PM by Overlord

Greed, willing to set the bomb off out of spite, seems like your typical action film villain. I'll give a , but I'm wondering if we need a higher standard for these films.

Well, Sinterklaas What is it with Christmas and Horror comedy ?

Also a for Deak.

edited 1st Mar '15 4:19:22 PM by Beast

Just throw Strasser on the pile of stuff I gotta do when my comp is back, ACW.

I'll give a yes to Martine. She seems to go over and above the call of evil in this show.

Also a yes to St. Niklas

And...Broken Arrow! DEAK! One of John Travolta's most hilarious bits: "You're out of your mind, Deak!"

"Yeah. Isn't it cool? Yes to him.

But isn't attempting to set off a nuke that will kill hundreds of thousands of people, pretty far past the baseline heinous standard? I think Deakins moved beyond generic villainy as the film goes on. Isn't similar to what the two monster characters from The Rock were trying to do, for similar reasons?

Also discounting the attempted nuclear holocaust, Deakins has a decent body count, the mercs were following his plan, so all the deaths they caused are on his head, not to mention Pritchett and the helicopter that were killed by him in a more direct manner.

edited 1st Mar '15 4:17:12 PM by Overlord

Yeah, blowing up a warehouse or skyscraper is standard. A nuke is not

Done (check my sig). I also added David to the Magi YMMV.
Yeah, I'll count him. But while he counts, he doesn't at least to me engender that same feeling of revulsion that, say Ultimate Skull does. Anyway, just a random musing.

edited 1st Mar '15 4:29:23 PM by ACW

Here is a rough draft write up for Niklas:

• Sint: In life, St Niklas was an evil bishop, and the leader of a gang of criminals that ransacked a village every December fifth. After being killed by the rebelling villagers, Niklas and his gang resurrect as zombies and skeletons every full moon night on the fifth of December, and proceed to go on a murderous rampage. Throughout the film, Niklas commits many murders, with his worst offenses including burning down a children's hospital (killing 35 children in the process) and sending a school bus into the river to drown all the children. Vile and cruel, Niklas is a great Demonization of a holy holiday figure.

edited 1st Mar '15 8:11:56 PM by bobg

I'd say that Smaug from the Hobbit film Trilogy counts as a Complete Monster.

Some dragons you could say are forces of nature or just animals, but not Smaug. He's got no Freudian Excuse, his actions are heinous and treated as such, he has no regrets and actually takes pride in his evil actions, and he has no redeeming characteristics.

Sure, dragons in Middle Earth are Always Chaotic Evil, but Smaug really revels in sadism. He took over Erebor, killed hundreds of Dwarves and turned the survivors into homeless refugees all because he wanted their treasure which he has no practical use for. All that was after he destroyed Dale For the Evulz.

When Bilbo arrives, he boasts about killing people and stealing anything he wants and that no one can stop him. He also enjoys psychological torture. He tells Bilbo he's tempted to let him give Thorin the Arkenstone just to see it drive him mad. He plans to get revenge by proxy on Laketown, and when Bilbo begs him not to, he's glad Bilbo cares about them so he can make him watch as he kills all those innocent people. Then, there's the attack on Laketown, where he enjoys making Bard squirm, telling him that his son will burn and he can't save him.

And last but not least, he's fully aware of Sauron gathering power and fully intends to join him in conquering the world to enrich his treasure hoard and for the fun of killing.

edited 1st Mar '15 8:09:14 PM by WolframAndHart

I vaguely remember Smaug being down-voted when he was brought up.

Victor Krane from Lab Rats

Who is he? - Victor Krane is a billioniare that Douglas Davenport met after he was kicked out of Davenport Industries, he agreed to fund Douglas's work if Douglas shared it with him. Victor Krane then went on to implanting himself with bionics that Douglas created. In addition, he used Douglas's tech and knowledge to genetically engineer Bionic Soldiers behind his back.

What does he do? - In his first appearance he breaks Douglas out of jail, they then go on to kidnap Adam, Bree, and Chase and lock them titanium energy rings. When they escape, Douglas activate an app to take control of them, using them to terrorize Donald, Leo, and Tasha. Fed up with Douglas's messing around Victor orders him to kill Adam, Bree, and Chase causing Donald to give a look of disgust claiming "that wasn't part of his plan". In his next appearances, he orders his new bionic soldier and partner, S-1 to kill the Kid Hero Leo by making a wall drop on him, crushing his arm in the process. Later, he attempts to take over mankind with a bionic army by signaling the Triton App to the whole planet while using government satellites.

Redeeming Qualities? - None.

Freudian Excuse? - None.

Been rereading some old comic books. Not actually proposing him, but you know who comes hilariously close to qualifying? Alexei Luthor, Lex's counterpart on Earth-2. Unlike our Lex, who was, at the time at least, a robber and thief more interested in earning respect and embarrassing Superman than anything else, Alexei was a war-profiteer and war-monger who tried to start WWII a couple of years early, regularly tried to kill Superman and anybody close to him, and once tried to blow up Earths 1 & 2 for reasons that elude me. If he'd appeared more often he'd actually be worth talking about.

Smaug was already voted down.

edited 1st Mar '15 8:16:20 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

Ambar, what do you think of the character I am proposing (St Niklas)?

@ACW: The Stasser entry is good, just change the words between the parentheses to this: (not clear if it was intentional, but he shows no remorse either way)

This may work to: (not clear if it was intentional, but either way he shows no remorse)

edited 2nd Mar '15 6:43:47 AM by randomtroper89

Opps, double post.

edited 2nd Mar '15 6:43:27 AM by randomtroper89

Smaug is never going up. Victor Krane? Tries to kill the heroes and take over the world. Sounds far too generic- big to both.

edited 2nd Mar '15 2:28:52 AM by Scraggle

To Victor Krane. Again, pretty generic. The Villains Wiki may consider him a CM but they use that trope very loosely (they considered Malekieth to be a CM). It also should be noted that Lab Rats takes place in the DCLAU with more heinous villains in the Annihilator and Gorog, both not qualifying.

edited 2nd Mar '15 4:43:24 AM by Beast

The Villains Wiki considers Malekith as a GDV.

to Krane.

edited 2nd Mar '15 6:42:30 AM by AustinDR

Some expansion for Marathon Man:

Christian Szell aka The White Angel was a nazi dentist working at Auschwitz who used to falsely promise protection to the Jewish prisoners in exchange of their gold hidden in their teeth before sending'em to the gas chambers. After escaping WWII Szell sells most of his nazi comrades to a shadow government agency in exchange of protection and assistance in his diamonds smuggle (the ones he stole from the Jews). When he goes to New York to claim a box of diamonds he becomes increasingly paranoid for his safety starting to kill Doc Levy, one of his collaborators, believing him to be a traitor. He then kidnaps his brother Babe and cruelly tortures him with his dentist instruments without anesthetic digging first a dobe in his cavity and then drilling an healty tooth "until he reachs the pulp" all the while maintaning a friendly attitude. After he convinces himself Babe doesn't know nothing he orders him to be killed anyway. He later kills and Holocaust survivor who recognizes him by violently slashing his throat with a retractable knife.

edited 2nd Mar '15 7:52:33 AM by ST89

Should "Send' em" be changed to "send them", or is it okay due to this website's use of casual, breezy language?

Any opinions on my St Niklas write up?

The Niklas write up looks decent enough, although I think it could use some expanding or links.

edited 3rd Mar '15 11:15:25 AM by ACW

Yeah no to Victor Krane. Any other opinions on Deakins from Broken Arrow? So far I have 4 yays and 0 nays.