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And Boll treats this character as justified!? I mean, I understand lashing out at societal injustices to a degree, but exactly how does forcing children to kill themselves work toward bettering society?

I wrote Bill's original writeup. I have a better one, which I'll post if more people decide to keep him.

Ask some of the more rabid childfree advocates.

So, anything on whether or not Vecna can be approved?

While I can see Vecna qualifying, we'll need an example writeup that has to demonstrate how he fits the trope.

Ah, I see RT 89's doing a Who Sandbox. Probably a good idea.

Going back, it seems like there already ARE some votes to keep Bill. Here's my rewrite:

Rampage: Bill Williamson is a sadistic domestic terrorist who takes great pleasure in committing large-scale acts of violence. He attempts to justify his actions by claiming to be a revolutionary who's just doing what he has to in order to fight overpopulation and government corruption. However, the way he acts towards his victims reveals this to be a shallow excuse. He shoots up his small town in the first movie, and wracks up a body count of over 100. He enjoys every minute of this massacre, and mocks the people he kills as they beg for their lives. Several of his victims die simply because they inconvenienced him in some way prior to his rampage. Afterward, he kills his supposed best friend and frames him for the act while he skips town with a bag of money he stole during the attack. In the sequel, he takes over a TV studio. He kills several of the hostages he takes based on assumptions he makes about their lives. When one tearfully tells him that he killed her sister in his previous rampage, he responds by mocking her crying and taunting her. He then forces a male hostage at gunpoint to beat her up. After his demands are met, he lets the hostages go, only to kill them and everyone else in the immediate area by blowing up the studio while he escapes. In the final scene, he gives a little girl a gun and encourages her to go home and kill her parents before committing suicide. Claiming to do what he does for the good of humanity, Bill's utter enjoyment of the violence he causes and completely unnecessary acts of sadism out him as nothing more than a mentally disturbed psychopath who kills purely for the fun of it.

trimmed it slightly.

edited 14th Sep '14 11:44:05 AM by Pwnisher248

Any way to trim that?

edited 6th Sep '14 11:45:04 AM by ACW

Okay, how about this:

• Likely the most dreaded and feared villain ever to grace the face of Oerth is Vecna, currently the God of Secrets and Lichdom. A once-human wizard who became the most feared of liches, Vecna's evil deeds could - and have - filled volumes. One notable example would be his conquest of the city of Fleeth, shortly after becoming a lich. The city officials begged for their lives, offering the whole city and their wealth in exchange for mercy. When Vecna wasn't satisfied with that offer, they offered their own lives. Vecna considered this, and gave one of them, Artau, and his family, to his lieutenant Kas, who tortured them to death in front of the other officials in an ordeal that lasted a day. Vecna then said he was still unsatisfied, and had every citizen in the city slaughtered except the remaining officials, forcing them to watch as he did, then had every victims' head stacked, with those belonging to the friends and families of the officials prominent. He never killed the surviving officials, claiming he was satisfied then, and allowed them to leave the city, saying they'd be under his protection for the rest of their lives - simply so they would live it with the horror they had seen. What truly sets Vecna apart from other evil gods is that no matter how powerful he becomes, he desires more, and like Lolth, cares nothing for anybody but himself. Unlike Lolth, he thinks on a far greater scale, and would unmake and consume reality (killing billions in the process) simply to remake it with himself as the only true god. (This was his actual plan in the epic module Die Vecna Die, but while he failed, the ramifications caused changes in the universe that explained the differences between the 2nd and 3rd editions of Dungeons And Dragons.)

Definite keep on Bill. Taking his character in full and how he just shrugs off the one possible redeeming trait you mentioned, he's either a Knight Templar of the worst order or just a Straw Hypocrite.

Please remove the spoiler tags from write-ups, though. This trope is Spoilered Rotten.

Two questions:

• 1: Is a character disqualified if they do not kill a person who just saved their life? (They suffer a near death experience and are saved by a stranger and then leave without harming them or thanking them.)

• 2: Should sociopaths be disqualified due to reasons of Blue-and-Orange Morality? (Since the parts of their brains that process empathy is inactive they are literally incapable of feeling it for reasons beyond their control.)

1) Don't know.
2) That opens up a whole bigass can of worms. They know right from wrong, they just don't care (hello there Joker and Carnage).

edited 6th Sep '14 12:52:08 PM by ACW

1. If it's out of gratefulness, then they'd be disqualified. If it's for some future self-interest, or because they don't have the time to finish off their saviour as the danger is still there, or because they are in a hurry, they can still count.
2. Sociopathy in fiction or real life has nothing to do with Blue-and-Orange Morality - the latter requires a morality system incomprehensible to humans, not merely "weird or exotic" moral system as many people misuse it.

If I may play Devil's advocate, Carnage has claimed he has a goal in what he does, although it's a very sick one. (It's mentioned under the Chaos Is Evil Trope.) Basically, he thinks Law is an illusion and Chaos is the only reality, and he wants to show everyone that. (It would be easy to brand him as Chaotic Stupid if not for the fact that many of his assaults are well-thought out, making him, at best, a walking contradiction.)

Not that I say he should be taken off the list...

was wondering, can a character from a fanfic be listed if that fanfic does not have a page here? I think I have a candidate.

I think it's best if we don't open that can of worms.

okay.

Why not?

Isn't there a specific folder for Fanfic examples? If it's a stand out example, it can be added there.

It just can't be crosswicked.

Yeah, why not, VM? I want to hear bobg's proposal.

You could always just make a page for the fanfic.

It could get out of hand quick with examples, particularity Dark Fic ones.

I think I'm going to actually vote on this "Bill" person. From the way you've described him it actually sounds like he genuinely believes he's helping the world.

Yeah, you're probably right. I was just curious.

I was wondering because its from a Darkfic and, like Very Melon said, if we made an entry for every one out there, it could get out of hand. Nevertheless, here is the example:

Note: Do not read if you have a weak stomach.

The fanfic is called "Revenge Of The Blank Flanks" (yes, another mlp one, don't ask me why the shows fans are so fucked up, and please don't get mad at me for proposing another example, I'm just doing my job), it has the CMC hiring Gilda to go and scare Diamond Tiara as revenge for bullying them. Instead of scaring her like they told her to do, Gilda rapes, tortures, kills, and eats her. When Gilda returns and demands to be paid, the CMC are horrified and refuse to pay her. Because they refuse to pay her, Gilda gets mad and swallows them all alive. The three die horrible slow deaths being digested alive in her stomach. The next day, Gilda goes back to the Griffin kingdom. The end.