Subpages cleanup: Complete Monster

Mostly, Creepypastas are meant to scare people. There was one example in which I had mentioned Sonic from Sonic.Exe. He was depicted as being a demonic entity that slaughtered all of the characters in the video game, and then spirited away the original player. This is all played horrifyingly seriously. However, it could be that he was a demon that was masquerading as Sonic.

Again, maybe some criteria should be made regarding Creepypasta characters?

edited 31st Jul '14 4:16:44 PM by AustinDR

@ Hodor: In that case he is indeed massively outclassed, so I'll go for a cut for Daniel. I initially suspected that his bodycount was probably larger due to his "gun for hire" occupation, but apparently not.

I also did a more succint rewrite for the killer from Cabin by the Lake, which was basically a plot summary.

• Complete Monster: Stanley Caldwell is a horror movie writer who moonlights as a misogynistic serial killer. To get inspiration for his scripts, he kidnaps teenage girls and locks them up in a soundproof room for several days before he puts them in a dress and drowns them in the nearby Lake Summit by weighing them down. He creates a grotesque underwater graveyard from their corpses, which he frequently visits. He also stabs a movie director to death and tries to commit a double murder of his agent and the Final Girl. He fakes his own demise, later returning to infiltrate the set of a movie based on his work. He proceeds to kill a large part of the crew in various brutal ways. With his murder spree halted, he kidnaps the second heroine to make her the centerpiece of his next "garden". While it's initially speculated that he must have a Freudian Excuse of some sort, he explains that there is none; he simply enjoys watching people beg for their lives and wants to share his crimes with the world to fuel his massive ego.

edited 31st Jul '14 4:42:08 PM by Morgenthaler

Pony POV Series is surprisingly NOT a Dark Fic, since most of the horrific stuff is back seat to pony interactions and the author has more or less stated the point of the story is Earn Your Happy Ending.

@ Reigade Hero, yes, though it does have some extremely dark villains. Still, I think the worst would be Light Discord, Pegasus Dispot, Nameless Passenger, Makarov, and Kabuto. Of course Discord and Makarov are in serious need of rewrites.

Does anyone object if I add King Hamdo from Now and Then, Here and There to Sandbox.Anime And Manga Monsters?

Reading what he does, I'd really like to support including him, but the entry says he's "obviously insane and in great pain." I'd like to know if his insanity impairs his moral agency and what kind of pain he's in before saying yes.

Should Scootabuse!Rainbow Dash qualify? It's not a specific fanfic, rather various fanworks including artwork where she ends up raping, beating, mentally and verbally abusing, and killing/eating Scootaloo. She has moral agency the whole time, if these fanworks are to be believed.

I could try doing a writeup of her soon if she gets enough votes to keep.

Also anyone want to vote on Cheerilee from CG, since it's a troll fic, should it be cut?

And those 'Scootabuse' things aren't troll fics?

edited 31st Jul '14 7:00:05 PM by Camberf

@ Klavice, I'm not a leading editor, and I am not entirely sure, but unless a specific example from a fanwork is given, I think it's too vague.

P.S: I am the one who added the Cheerilee example, sorry about that. I was unaware it was a troll fic. Seemed well written to me.

edited 31st Jul '14 7:03:01 PM by bobg

Since she came from a troll fic, indeed she should be cut. Also, how serious is Scootabuse!Rainbow Dash played? Was she made by someone else, and if so, was the intent to just make it shocking to read? I mean, seriously, Scootalo and her friends seem to always get the s**t beaten out of them, don't they?

I've said this before, but we (or you, I suppose, because I'm kind of burned out on this thread) really need to come to some sort of consensus on examples created for shock value (or similar sentiments), because it's not just an issue limited to MLP darkfics and I do think there's legitimate problems with including them beyond just moral indignation.

edited 31st Jul '14 7:03:58 PM by nrjxll

They should be cut. Unless the fanfic is trying to tell the reader something.

Scootabuse is played for black comedy to my knowledge, though it's really not funny at all and the only people laughing are people who like child abuse.

But again, abusing a child doesn't make the person involved a CM. That is, unless they are particularly brutal when it comes with their abuse.

I'm assuming that it's like South Park. They have the audacity to take a serious subject, like murder, and then play it for Black Comedy. Therefore, that is why many people find this kind of thing funny. And no, I do not condone child violence. I am only explaining why this fanfic's take on child abuse isn't meant to be taken seriously.

To whit on Flagg: It's in his thoughts, so it happened, but it's just a throwaway line. Just "he'd been a runaway and had gotten raped" basically. Nowhere near enough to excuse the depraved monstrosity he's gotten up to.

Oh, and it's strongly hinted Flagg is He Who Walks Behind the Rows, so that debate resolved itself!

Unless someone can give me a reason not to support Volthoom, btw, I'm giving a yes. I also need these questions on Kakuzawa answered as well.

Mirroring Morgenthaler and Occasional Exister on their posts and cut/keep recommendations. Except Orphan Black, I have also seen the series and Hodor is dead on right about everything he said. Ph, and good Stanley rewrite.

Here's my recommendation: If the shock value is ingrained seriously into the story, we keep. If it makes things too ridiculous and verges into unnerving black comedy or if it is inherently too nonsensical? Cut

Now, no on Scootabuse stuff. Let's move on from the ponies.

In fact...I kinda want to get some editors to clean up that page alone using our criteria and let THEM make the decisions as long as they can do what we do.

Then make the request.

I think I will try another effort post for another Marvel 2099 character, Vulture 2099:

Who is Vulture 2099? What Has He Done?

Vulture 2099 is a super villain in the Marvel 2099 Universe, who is also the leader of a gang called "The Freakers". Vulture saves Spider-Man from members of the Private Eye, the police force that work for the mega corporations that control the world. Vulture also tries to kill Kasey Nash, a friend of Miguel O'Hara that was looking for him. Spidey manages to save Kasey after Vulture disables her flying motorcycle (everyone has one in the future). Vulture hates the Alchemax corporation, he feels they deny him the freedom of soaring through the skies because all the flying cars Alchemax has in the skies. Vulture wants Spider-Man to join him, but Spider-Man soon discovers Vulture's secret, he is a canibal. He murdered the police officers chasing Spidey and cooked them up for dinner. While fighting Vulture, Spidey discovers Vulture "Meat Locker" which has a couple of human corpses on hooks that Vulture was planning on saving for later. After Vulture's initial defeat, Vulture returns much later and has a group of Thorites (a group that worships Thor) burn alive a Spiderite (a group that worships Spider-Man). In his last appearance, he takes a female priest hostage and informs Spidey he has rigged the Alchemax buildings to explode.

Any Freudian Excuse or redeeming qualities?

Not really, he hates Alchemax (lots of people do, they are guilty of making Marvel 2099 a Crapsack World), but his hatred is very selfish. His hatred of corporations is not sympathetic, he mocks Spidey about having a corporate mindset and sometimes compares his actions to that of a corporation (a bigger corporation devouring a smaller one, just like he devours "weaker" people). Really all this anti corporate rhetoric is just a mask for what Vulture really is, a controlling bully who wants to take over the poorer section of town and feels he has the right to kill and eat whomever he wants. He doesn't show any concern for his gang and briefly teams with Goblin 2099, but plans to betray him as soon he is serves his purpose. He saves Spider-Man 2099 so he would join his gang and plans to eat Spidey when he refuses. He doesn't really have a back story, so no Freudian Excuse there.

Is he heinous by the standards of the story?

This is a bit tricky, Marvel 2099 is a possible future for the Marvel Universe, but it is a separate reality (2099 is Earth 928, regular Marvel is Earth 616). That being said Marvel 2099 is a Crapsack World, its run by corrupt Mega Corps who create an unjust society where poor people have no rights and the world is an environmental wasteland. Tyler Stone the head of the Alchemax Corporation has some redeeming qualities and Kron Stone, while a vile character, has a valid Freudian Excuse. However despite the fact that Vulture has far less resources then the corporations, he makes good use of what he has, he has a good sized body count and seems to enjoy murdering people in gruesome ways.

Verdict

I thin despite Marvel 2099's dark setting, he counts.

edited 31st Jul '14 8:31:59 PM by TheOverlord

Just came back from Guardians of the Galaxy. If you like Outlaw Star or Firefly, I think you'll love the movie. Anyway, any initial thoughts about MCU's version of Ronan?

BTW, I'm adding Thanos to my watchlist since we haven't seen the last of him in the MCU. Should I also add Ultron as well?

Cool, adding him now.

edited 31st Jul '14 8:07:02 PM by sanfranman91

Yes. And haven't seen the movie yet.

edited 31st Jul '14 8:06:05 PM by AustinDR

I'll be seeing Guardians this weekend. Hold discussion for now.

Oh, San, any Kamen Rider or Abigail writeups?

And a yes for Vulture

edited 31st Jul '14 8:06:56 PM by Lightysnake

Ask and ye shall receive, Lighty. Another villain from Kuuga for your consideration, ladies and gentlemen. Alright now...

Who is Go-Jaraji-Da, anyway?

Go-Jaraji-Da, or the Porcupine Gurongi, belongs to the Go Group of the Gurongi. In plain english, he is an upper-class tribesman who uses weapons to hunt their pray for their game. Unlike lesser tiers (like the Zu and the Me), the Go have their victims counted by Davuga and his Dragons. Go like Jaraji are also allowed to create their own rules and targets, all to the right to fight Daguva for control of the entire species. In Jaraji’s case…

What does he do?

Jaraji assumes the form of youth in black who with a snap of his fingers can move at fast speeds and arms himself with poisonous darts that will kill his victims from encephalitis in four days. Jaraji uses his turn in order to target the 90 teenage boys in Midorikawa High School’s 10th grade within 12 days. The deaths that ensue… aren’t pretty to say the least. Jaraji also indiscriminately kills numerous policemen in Episodes 34 and 35 and, when some of the boys committed suicide after realizing what happened to Jaraji’s previous victims, begins targeting other teenage boys. One of Jaraji’s newer victims is Kazuya Ikuta, a student who transferred to Midorikawa only days before Jaraji began his attacks. He terrorizes the family and, with a horrific show of speed and trolling, almost kills Kazuya in front of his mother before Kuuga shows up. Jaraji takes offense to Kuuga’s interference and leaves to kill additional boys.

After wiping out the rest of the 10th grade, Jaraji returns to Kazuya sleeping in a hospital bed. Just before Jaraji can finish the job, however, Kuuga finds Jaraji. Given that Yusuke Godai is a Friend to All Children, to say he delivers a berserk No-Holds-Barred Beatdown would be a massive understatement. Kuuga’s ensuing vengeance has to be seen to be believed.

Any Freudian Excuse, redeeming qualities, or other mitigating factors?

Jaraji has absolutely no redeeming qualities nor excuse to speak of. The ethics of the Gurongi is a long story, but in short the Zu and Me tiers all fail the criteria for lacking moral agency. The Go tribe’s high class, on the other hand, allows them to choose the rules, methods and targets. Some of the Go hate killing and only do it because of Daguva’s orders for the Gageru to continue. Jaraji is not one of those Go. As he closes in on a transfer student and his horrified mother in Episode 34, he explicitly admits in a cold and quiet manner that he hunts and slowly kills his targets “because the more [Jaraji’s targets] suffer, the more I enjoy myself.” While Jaraji indeed has a lower body count than some Go, he succeeds in killing 89 out of 90 boys in the entire 10th grade class (not to mention scores of police officers and replacements for the boys that committed suicide) and commits his crimes precisely because he enjoys watching living things die and suffer. He also comes closest out of all the Go to actually clearing the Gageru, which is really saying something.

How does he hold up by the standards of the setting?

Kamen Rider fans continue to label Jaraji as the heavyweight champion of heinous kaijin-of-the-week to this day for good reason. All of Jaraji’s crimes in Episodes 34 and 35 are committed on-screen and the overall heinousness of his actions is by far the most heinous of the Go group (and second overall only to fellow candidate Daguva). With him targeting children, it’s no wonder why Godai snapped and killed him so savagely.

edited 1st Aug '14 12:24:40 AM by sanfranman91

To the Vulture and the Porcupine.

That sucks. Finding out that the potential ally who saved you is a murderous cannibal.

For Vulture 2099 I think. By the way, I wanted to ask if Kron can be distinguished from Normal Osborne in that IIRC Osborne had an abusive father, and we didn't consider that sufficiently mitingating. Kron's messed up childhood is more over the top, but I wasn't sure if he should be disqualified if Norman wasn't.

Since you're obviously a KR fan, I was wondering if you could tell me about a character I've been curious about for a while: the Rook Fangire. According to his entry, he apparently tried to redeem himself... but the heroes don't believe it and kill him off anyway. That's an extremely odd situation I'd never seen before, so I was wondering what your opinion is of where this guy falls on the scale.

edited 31st Jul '14 9:12:00 PM by HamburgerTime

Reposting a PM to Hamburger Time regarding Rook's qualification.

Nope. The only reason why he does good deeds is because he's bored of the time play, a brutal game in which he kills a certain number of people within a given amount of time. He also commits tons of heinous crimes throughout Kiva and not a single character buys his good deeds, ultimately leading him to be destroyed by IXA. He's a mentally fucked up villain (and a poorly written one too), but a CM nonetheless.

edited 31st Jul '14 9:15:44 PM by sanfranman91