Danganronpa Cleanup (SPOILERS FOR ALL GAMES AND THE ANIME ABOUND)

Nah, I think they can stay. Shuichi's detractors are hard to find admittedly, so he's a grey area these days, but Kokichi and Tenko are definitely 100% not beloved. You're going to find someone who dislikes them for every person who likes them. I will say though, you can definitely get rid of the little wall of text of Kaede being in the Love in the universe or whatever, and I agree that Tenko's entry is ridiculously long for a character who dies halfway.

Edited by starritofan13 on Oct 10th 2021 at 3:26:22 AM

Fair enough. I shortened Shuichi and Tenko's entries cutting out most of the fluff, added the three to the main BBC page and we may now cutlist the V3 page as most of the other examples except Kaito, who we agreed would go under Germans Love David Hasselhoff are already on Americans Hate Tingle which suits them more than this trope as Kirumi, Maki, and Miu placed higher than fan favourites in the West such as Himiko or Gonta.

Edited by Klavice on Oct 12th 2021 at 1:05:10 AM

Hello! I would like to revive this thread because recently, some entries have been cut from TheScrappy.Danganronpa (with discussion). I would like to add a few that were cut from there to here.

Edited by TheWrongOne41 on Dec 21st 2022 at 10:01:34 AM

Which ones do you want to add back?

Ryota Mitarai, Angie Yonaga and Tsumugi Shirogane.

Were cut citing this discussion, and ironically you've argued they fit Base-Breaking Character more.

Yeah i did. I was arguing that they fit more Base Breaking, got approved on cutting them from the Scrappy page, and wanted to make write ups of them to the BBC page.

If you want to make writeups for BBC, go ahead?

Thanks! Was asking for permission cause the page lead to a link here if i wanted to add entries.

Excellent work on the YMMV/BBC/Scrappy stuff, but in the interest of making sure all of OP's suggestions were heard, what are some notable examples of gushing, lack of neutrality, and "creepy descriptions"? I think those should be the next order(s) of business.

I, hehe... actually don't see much love for Shirogane aside from her being Evil Is Cool by some people. Although she could fit more under Americans Hate Tingle due to Western Fans finding her obsessive otaku tendencies creepy, disturbing and not funny. I haven't seen many Japanese fans caring for her either, though a character poll could change my mind.

Also I'm not sure if I would call Komaeda that "contentious" for the Base-Breaking Character trope given that he is almost universally beloved in Japan, some people comparing him to Danganronpa's version of Miles Edgeworth being the Breakout Character of Danganronpa Goodbye Despair along with Chiaki. To the point he got his own spin off manga, had the biggest role in Ultra Despair Girls out of all of Class 77-B, and even got an anime and a far bigger presence in the actual manga of Goodbye Despair. Given that Komaeda is also ranked near the top if not AT the top in most character polls, I'd say he's not contentious enough. Plus a lot more people like Komaeda than Kokichi, despite the latter being a Good All Along Anti-Hero.

Edited by Klavice on Jan 15th 2023 at 9:39:01 AM

They can be Americans Hate Tingle.

There is this write up on the Character Perception Evolution that shows that, at the very least, she's got some fans that do like her legitamately. I don't deny that a bunch of the fandom does not like her and likewise her being the Big Bad, but i do think that she's more split than anything.^note I am willing to admit that i'm one of those people

As for Nagito, it could be Americans Hate Tingle case too, but i'm not sure if the love that he gets from Japan is unambiguous. There's certainly die hard fans of him here, but i would need to check it too.

Edited by TheWrongOne41 on Jan 13th 2023 at 3:40:08 AM

How's this for an Americans Hate Tingle entry for Nagito? Feel free to add to it.

• Nagito is at best, a contentious character in the west often being overshadowed by characters like Gundham Tanaka, Chiaki Nanami, and Hajime Hinata. In Japan however? He's frequently voted the Breakout Character of Goodbye Despair due to his Trickster tendencies, his complex backstory of being an Unluckily Lucky Lonely Rich Kid, and being The Rival with several Mangas, an anime, and even several No Export for You figurines and posters to the point he was on the Anniversary box and cloth poster for the collector edition of the Switch release of Dangaronpa 1, 2, and V3 replacing Hajime or Chiaki.

Feeling "contentious in the west" is a bit barebones, while it should be the trope's main point.

I believe he's not much liked in the west because of being a free-roaming antagonist who got two people killed including a fan favorite while aiming for more with poor motive, his hostile attitude towards Hajime who western players sympathize with, general attitude that's aligned with Hope's Peak research the game and western player disagree with, and his luck bordering on a superpower compared to other students that creates weaponized Contrived Coincidences. He still gets a lot of Draco in Leather Pants and Crazy Is Cool treatement.

• Nagito is at best, a contentious character in the west disliked for being a free roaming Antagonist who succeeds in getting three people killed and in the case of Nanami and Teruteru, executed being unsympathetic to talentless students and borderline apathy and contempt for killers, and Hajime who western players sympathize with as well as often being overshadowed by nicer characters like Gundham Tanaka, Chiaki Nanami, and Hajime Hinata. In Japan however? He's frequently voted the Breakout Character of Goodbye Despair due to his Trickster tendencies, his complex backstory of being an Unluckily Lucky Lonely Rich Kid, and being The Rival with several Mangas, an anime, and even several No Export for You figurines and posters to the point he was on the Anniversary box and cloth poster for the collector edition of the Switch release of Dangaronpa 1, 2, and V3 replacing Hajime or Chiaki.

That better? I didn't want to bloat it too much.

Edited by Klavice on Jan 15th 2023 at 11:51:59 AM

Could Himiko, Korekiyo and Tsumugi from V3 qualify as Base-Breaking Characters? Korekiyo and Tsumugi had both been on TheScrappy.Danganronpa page for a while before getting cut, while Himiko was axed from EnsembleDarkhorse.Danganronpa page, the edit claiming she had detractors as well.

I believe there are far less detractors of Himiko than there are of the other characters listed on the BBC page of Danganronpa. I'm not saying there arent people who dislike her, but i saw that the majority who plays V3 likes her.

Korekiyo could probably be listed. His infamous killing reason is definetly taken differently by each person.

Tsumugi is as contentious as the ending of V3 is, and i've tried to write an entry for her for a bit. I do believe she could be listed.

Hiyoko was rescued?

Oh well, I noticed Teruteru and Korekiyo's executions were re-added to their respective pages for whatever reasons just heads up.

Not as much rescued as being a victim of Americans Hate Tingle, just like Akane.

Here's the comment.

Also I think Korekiyo's execution can stay - being boiled alive, drowning in said boiling water (offscreen, yes, but still) and then getting dissolved with salt by Monokuma and the spirit of your own sister is just screwed up.

YMMV.Danganronpa

• The Inverse Law of Fandom Levity: The franchise is about a sequence of killing games set in a dystopian society revolving around a corrupt academy, conducted by a mad Hope Crusher who is openly and proudly evil, where the nightmarish aspects of it are played seriously and are meant to shock the viewer. The fandom, on the other hand, majorly prefers to joke about everyone's awful circumstances within the game's universe and have arguments over who is a better character. The fandom's casual responses fit the non-canon alternate modes out of the killing game timeline, of course, but that doesn't mean they fit the main timeline, which is where all the death and destruction occurs.

But the series is known for Black Comedy and Widget Series humor. Does it count if the work also doesn't take itself seriously most of the time?

This was added to YMMV.Danganronpa:

• Broken Aesop: The writer intended Monokuma to be a twisted Audience Surrogate, and for audience members to recognize the voyeuristic part of themselves that's impatiently excited and interested to see the next murder, the next case, the next execution reflected in the evil mastermind and be ashamed of it. But this rarely happens, not only because Monokuma is so over-the-top malicious and sadistic that relating to him is difficult but because the characters are almost always so interesting and likable that many fans would happily just hang out with them without the spice of murder mystery plots, and what fully breaks this aesop is that on some level the creators knew this because every Danganronpa game has an alternate post-game mode (and one of the spin-offs just involves) hanging out with the characters in a normal, wholesome manner, making friends and having fun getting to know them without any horrible violence at all.

I highly doubt Monokuma is Audience Surrogate considering he's the Big Bad, an ethical antithesis to the heroes, and is the one keeping all secrets in the Mystery Fiction work.

I went and cut it.

I could have sworn that I read an entry on this very wiki where the series creator explained he intended Monokuma to reflect the player's voyeuristic appetite for murder and tragedy, but I admit I'm having trouble locating it, especially on my current questionable internet connection.

Thiughts on this?