Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgment - Violations, misuse, and other issues

The Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment exists to prevent tropers from making agenda-based edits or bringing up irrelevant controversial issues, but it's not always obvious if something breaks the rule or not. This thread serves the purposes of:

• Getting consensus on cutting overly controversial edits.
• Rewriting biased examples to be more neutral.
• Pre-emptively clarifying if a possible example actually violates the rule, or if it's okay to add.
• Making sure that the rule isn't just being used as an excuse to write a Zero-Context Example ("Some people think that X is Y, and that's all we have to say about it.")

See also the thread "Trump and ROCEJ" for the specific topic of tropers sneaking their political views (not just views regarding Donald Trump, despite the title) onto the wiki.

See Pages Attracting Edits That Promote Bigotry for pages that attract ROCEJ violations that are bigoted in nature.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 16th 2023 at 5:25:14 AM

Worth noting that despite the title, the "Trump and ROCEJ" thread is about all current political figures, not just Donald Trump.

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This thread is linked from the Administrivia page, so we might as well use it.

Does anyone actually care if the pages on Mein Kampf and the like are obviously biased? I came across another work of that type (though by an author with a small amount of actual talent) and the page is quite obviously written from a perspective opposite the work's, to say the least.

EDIT: Sorry, misread the thread title and posted something not related to misuse of Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment.

Edited by dragonfire5000 on Oct 2nd 2019 at 8:03:41 AM

Should these Harsher in Hindsight examples be removed from YMMV.Ouran High School Host Club?

• Due to the numerous sexual harassment allegations against Vic Mignogna, as well as learning about Todd Haberkorn allegedly raping a woman as a result of the Mignogna accusations coming to light, seeing Tamaki and Hikaru interacting with Haruhi and the other teen girls can leave some feeling uncomfortable.
  • Another controversy about Vic Mignogna are allegations of him being homophobic, which makes the scene where he makes a gay joke at the twins' expense a little uncomfortable.

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Kill It with Fire.

Agreed

Also, I'm afraid that ROCEJ might end up being abused in case of something very, very controversial happened on this site.

Cut the Ouran examples.

If there's a controversy involving this site, we should let it be discussed freely on the forums, but it shouldn't bleed into wiki pages.

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Yeah, why would we need to mention it on the actual site, anyway?

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It would probably take something on the level of the Google Incidents before an onsite controversy bleeds into the rest of the wiki.

I had a dog-themed avatar before it was cool.

Yes, it's possible that something that big would happen, but if it ever does we can discuss it then.

Could I add this to Translation with an Agenda?

• Funimation's dub of the Prison School anime included a line in episode 7 in which Anzu accuses Shingo of being "one of those dumbass GamerGate creepshows," something that wasn't in the original Japanese. Due to criticism, Funimation made an official statement that the dialogue in their shows does not reflect the company's views, and changed the translation on the home video release to be more loyal.

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GamerGate is still a thing, but it's calmed down (relatively speaking) to the point where merely mentioning it won't set off a shitstorm.

This is just my opinion, however. Others may think otherwise.

FYI some other flamey examples about Funimation on that page were added and now removed.

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This example was added a while ago, then deleted, and re-added (months later, so it's not an Edit War), and deleted again.

I'm not sure if it's possible to make such an example come across as 100% neutral due to the trope name "Translation with an Agenda". Any wording is bound to be interpreted as "Funimation had an anti-GamerGate agenda while translating this work", and "having an agenda" is usually seen as a bad thing when dealing with media that isn't explicitly an Author Tract.

Nevermind

Edited by MacronNotes on Mar 1st 2020 at 9:31:28 AM

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Oof, that's as kosher as eating Bacon during Hannukah.

Burn it to the ground.

Edit: ...Welp, glad I at least saw the post before it was deleted.

Edited by WarJay77 on Mar 1st 2020 at 9:29:47 AM

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I deleted it because I realized this was the wrong thread. I thought this was for actual violations of ROCJ. I don't know where to put it but it needs to be burned. That page might need some cleaning.. I guess I will repost some of it. From WMG.Real Life Someone on the discussion page said that the page had racism in it as well but they didnt provide examples

Well, they both hate homosexuals, both also try to lump in moderates of the same religion with extremists and help encourage their kids to become disaffected and betray the country they perceive as "heretical" and they both want everyone to worship one God, although they both convince their followers it's not the same deity. It's all a Xanatos Gambit by a crazed Eldritch Abomination named "Yahweh". Or "Allah". Yes, everyone: God is Emperor Palpatine! Smoking gun: Iranian terrorists only released the hostages minutes after Reagan was sworn in.

• And who the hell is Darth Vader?
  • Think about it logically. Who acts to further God's nebulous and convoluted Gambit Roulette while simultaneously hating God's guts with a passion for ancient wrongs, and ever plots in what he thinks is secret to unseat and replace God, the attempts at which are incorporated into The Plan to destroy God's enemies, strike fear into the hearts of his followers, and further his goals? Satan, of course.

Otherwise, why are they so apologetic about a group of people whose ideology is supposedly the exact opposite of what they claim believe in? Whether it is women's rights, gay rights, and religious freedom, to name a few.

• Explains why they make excuses for Muslims while attacking Christians who believe similar nonsense. For example, they say Islamic terrorism is political in nature, while making every single non-Muslim terrorist Christian even ones who aren't like the Columbine shooters.

There's maybe five people who actually aren't, but everyone is so deep undercover they don't realize they're only dealing with other deep-cover agents

Edited by MacronNotes on Mar 1st 2020 at 9:53:15 AM

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Yeah, that seems like someone trying to start a flame war.

(It's from WMG.Real Life in case anyone else wants to clean it up.)

Tossed them. I dunno if the rest of the page is fine but that stuck put the most

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Hey. Just would like to report what I presume to be a violation of this rules on the page The Blockbuster Buster.

The Cinematic Mind has added an entire paragraph of accusations against several individuals on this pages, then kept putting it back three times, including one where a link to the Rule of Cautious Editing Judgement had been put to prevent from doing so and another time when an admin restaured the page to a previous version.

They’re definitely edit-warring, so regardless of content they need dealt with anyway.

Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on Mar 3rd 2020 at 11:51:53 AM

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I brought it up on ATT, as this was issue that's been going on for a while.

YMMV.Mother 3

• Dirty Communists: According to right-wing extremists, this game has a pro-Communist, anti-Capitalist agenda. Itoi was never confronted about whether or not this was true.

Welp, this is a Big-Lipped Alligator Moment if I ever saw one on the wiki.

Thomas fans needed! Come join me in the the show's cleanup thread!

I chopped it for being completely out of place.

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