Reality Ensues/Surprisingly Realistic Outcome cleanup

Haven't seen the film, but your assessment sounds good.

EDIT: Apologies, pagetopper. Referring to this.

Edited by DoktorvonEurotrash on Mar 8th 2024 at 5:23:50 AM

It does not matter who I am. What matters is, who will you become? - motto of Omsk Bird

Someone suggested this forum to me, so I'm here. So I revisited the main page for Vengeance (2022) and discovered that Surprisingly Realistic Outcome example was deleted, so I look at the history. The troper who deleted that example is Celestial Draco and their reason to delete that example was "Plot happens" instead that saying the example is misused or something like that. Here's the example that they deleted (contains spoilers):

• Surprisingly Realistic Outcome: During the climax, when Ben shoots Quinten, his first shot is fired from the hip and misses. It's not until he aims properly that he lands a neck shot and a headshot.

Was this troper's deletion justified or not?

“What is that? It's The Unknown!”

Yeah id say so.

The outcome is "character shoots other character."

Missing the first shot isnt even a proper example. The outcome is the same either way.

Edited by ArthurEld on Mar 11th 2024 at 6:08:02 AM

Consensus on these?

• Kekko Kamen:
  • At various points of the manga it's mentioned that Sparta Academy has a high suicide rate from the many students who just can't keep up, to the point one of the teachers bragged he could get away with murdering a student by making it look like another suicide. Considering students are literally tortured if they score too low, it's not a surprise.
  • The school is isolated in the mountains and surrounded by a forest inhabitated by murderous ninjas. Satan's Toenail concludes immediately that Kekko Kamen has to be from the inside, and already in the first chapter he has the female students investigated for someone with her body type.
    • While Satan's Toenail doesn't think that Kekko Kamen may be a member of the faculty, as soon as it's pointed out he thinks of Keiko Natsuwada, the female PE teacher who not only has the right body type but is known to be a skilled martial artist and capable with the nunchaku, two skills shared with Kekko Kamen.
    • When the various suspects are proven innocent more than once Satan's Toenail starts thinking about a Collective Identity. He's right, he just didn't suspect there were six Kekko Kamen (and had never suspected two, though one of them was defeated and unmasked) until he saw it in the Grand Finale.
    • When Chigusa Yuka, who in the first chapter was suspected until Kekko Kamen showed up, is revealed to be twins, the headmaster immediately concludes they were covering for each other and doesn't buy their claim they lied because their family could only afford to pay for one them until Kekko Kamen shows up while they're being tortured. The twins are among the six Kekko Kamen.
  • Since Kekko Kamen goes around start naked except for her mask, boots and gloves to distract her opponents with her sexy body, Satan's Toenail repeatedly summons assassins who are women or otherwise unaffected.
  • As mentioned above, Sparta Academy, supposedly the best school in Japan, has a rather high suicide rate that includes students murdered by the teachers and passed as suicide. The Ministry of Education and the police have started wondering about it and sent Kekko Kamen to investigate, and in the Grand Finale Kekko Kamen's evidence was enough to order the school to be shut down.

All of these just sound like "Sensical Outcome", which is not a trope.

Yeah none of them sound like they fit the trope unfortunately so cut them.

These are from Mayday (aka Air Crash Investigation).

• Surprisingly Realistic Outcome:
  • As Chad Erickson in "Killer Attitude" learned the hard way, you can do all the prep work in the world for an upcoming job and still have a nasty surprise thrown hard at your face.
  • "Ghost Plane": Being trained to fly a light aircraft will not prepare you for flying a commercial airliner like a 737, as Andreas Prodromou finds out when he tries to take control of Helios Flight 522 after the flight crew passes out.
  • "Flight 574: Lost": The reason why airlines are expensive is because it costs a lot of money to keep up with and update the regular maintenance and training courses to fulfill safety regulations. When airlines skimp those costs in order to promote themselves as "cheap", the risks of something going horribly wrong increase accordingly. Even before the Flight 574 disaster (a crash caused by the double-whammy of known faulty equipment not given the proper maintenance and the pilots being under-trained to deal with system failures in-flight), Adam Air and various other inexpensive Indoensian airlines were plagued by multiple crashes and failures, with Flight 574 proving to be one of the straws that broke the camel's back prompting a massive restructuring of the entire Indonesian aviation business to either meet the expected standards or lose their licenses to fly, the latter the fate Adam Air would suffer.
  • Almost Once per Episode: Even the best trained and most experienced professionals can make mistakes sometimes, and even the best designed and most reliable equipment can have problems sometimes.
  • Also shown in a number of episodes: sometimes, a pilot faced with an emergency situation can do everything right and then some, and it still won't be enough to create an ideal outcome. For example, the pilots of United 232 performed a remarkable feat of airmanship in getting their crippled plane to a runway (and saved the lives of over half the people onboard), but despite their best efforts, it was simply not possible to land the plane safely; the damage was just too severe.

Immediately, I am going to say that since this is a docudrama series covering real accidents, the 'Surprisingly Realistic' part is automatically void and these cannot count. That aside, even if we focus exclusively on how these moments are framed within the show's narrative, I still feel these entries don't explain how they are subversive of expected outcomes; and given that the show is about aviation incidents, 'something goes wrong' is to be expected.

I concur, it's impossible for Mayday to be unrealistic in the first place short of Artistic License. Nuke the whole entry.

Consensus?

• Robot Dreams:
  • Dog builds his very own robot companion. Soon the two would build a wonderful friendship, but as time passes, Robot's battery life starts to drain, and eventually, at a night at the beach, Robot has too little power to move anymore, so he was now stuck on the beach. Dog would try to pull him out, but he isn't strong enough to pull Robot out.
  • Dog would eventually come back tomorrow and gather tools to get Robot out, but unfortunately, the beach closed due to the seasons changing.
  • So he tries to run through the signs, and rushes to the beach. But the beach was blocked by a locked gate. Eventually, a gorilla cop would catch him in the act of trespassing, and sends him out.
  • Soon Dog takes drastic measures, and buys a pair of pliers. Soon at nighttime, Dog sneaks his way in and uses the pliers to break the chains. But once he breaks them, he is beamed by a flashlight, and the gorilla cop arrests him.
• Kings of Revolution: The [1] cast are used to fighting enemies in their canon series that are tough but easy to overcome with enough hard work and willpower. However, they learn the hard way in how terrorist organizations that are serious in taking them down will not stop at just good enough in terms of technology nor abide by their Thou Shall Not Kill policies without actual pragmatic reasons. The end result is them dealing with what is considered one Outside-Context Problem after another and having almost actual resources to fight back.

Robot Dreams is just sensical outcomes and not surprising. Kings of Revolution might be Deconstruction Fic.

Consenuse for these?

• Son of Interflux: Every time Phil attempts to deliberately invoke True Art Is Incomprehensible for art class rather than put in hard work and thought (like by putting a wedding cake on the roof of his car and driving through a car wash), he just makes a mess and/or comes up with something that most people find unimpressive. Happens too frequently
• Tortall Universe:
  • Song of the Lioness has Alanna become the first lady knight in living memory and is absurdly, fantastically heroic and acclaimed. Her friend Prince Jon becomes King, marries the Rebellious Princess she rescued, and together they enact reforms including allowing girls to openly seek knighthood and serve in the paramilitary Queen's Riders. That's Tortall's misogyny problem sorted and now there are plenty of lady knights, right? It's not. The new King and Queen's own daughter wanted to become a knight but was persuaded not to in order to make her a better Altar Diplomacy option. It takes an entire decade before the next female page is enrolled because that required some specific circumstances - a willing noble family with enough wealth to fund knight training and forgo marriage arrangements for a daughter, enough prestige to shoulder the low level of scandal involved, and of course a girl of the right age range who wanted that hard and unusual life. Not an outcome
  • Protector of the Small is about that next female page. She's forced to start on a probationary basis because the pages' training master is conservative and threatened to resign otherwise - and to conservatives who feel alienated by the many royal reforms, he's their voice in court. Much of the quartet deals with a clash between ideals and a harsh, hostile world that can be changed, but not unilaterally as every action results in numerous reactions. Kel also still has to shoulder a great weight of misogyny pretty much no matter what, and when advising other girls interested in following her example Kel tells them that they'll have to learn to deal with it too; some peoples' minds have been changed by the examples of her and Alanna, but it's slow going. Plot happens
    • Kel's in for a Hard Truth Aesop in Squire. Her maid was kidnapped by a noble in the previous book, and when he's caught and taken to trial she expects justice - but the noble is only made to pay a fine that he easily shrugs off, and most of the money is paid to Kel as the maid's mistress, for the loss of her servant's time and labor. Kel cannot accept this and goes to King Jon about it. He does agree to work to change the law, but laws change slowly and aren't retroactive, and she can't even seek personal satisfaction from the noble kidnapper because she is literally giving up her privilege to duel him in order to support justice as a higher ideal. Plot happens
  • The Immortals: Usually media involving a Friend to All Living Things who's regularly perched on by numerous birds etc won't have the animals make messes, unless it's a gross out moment Played for Laughs. Daine's animal friends try to control their bowels but still streak her clothes, hair, and skin with filth on a regular basis, especially if she's treating them for sickness. She, as someone who's loved and taken care of animals for her whole life, has basically no reaction to this and touches their feces without hesitation. She's only bothered when thinking someone will see her and be disgusted, or when she realizes that she's forgotten to take off a beautiful garment and now it's ruined. Character reaction and if its consistent, it's not really surprising
  • The climax of Beka Cooper Bloodhound involves a knife-fight in an Absurdly Spacious Sewer. When it's over, it takes extensive effort on the part of the healers to keep said participants from dying of massive infection despite their wounds being relatively minor. Unsure
  • At the end of the third book of Beka Cooper, the King and Queen of Tortall declare that because the Tortallan slave trade was so essential to the operation to kidnap their four year old son Gareth, who saw many atrocities in that time, they are abolishing slavery altogether in Tortall. Beka's immediate reaction is dismay; she doesn't like slavery or slavers, but there hasn't been a big public push for abolition and there are a lot of people benefiting from the trade who will now cause trouble, some of them very powerful. Tortall: A Spy's Guide and The Numair Chronicles bear this out, mentioning that a civil war resulted and nobles fought the crown for decades; in the thirtieth year of his reign then-King Gareth finally put a stop to it by essentially taking hostages. This adds a lot of context to something King Jon said about not wanting to take sudden actions that alienate his subjects. A king who wants to live long enough to see his grandchildren cannot act unilaterally. Character reaction
  • Beka does not end up with Rosto the Piper, despite the chemistry between them that makes them a Fan-Preferred Couple and even though Beka's yearmate Ersken ends up with Rosto's friend Kora. Ersken and Kora manage by just not talking shop at all, but Beka's more thorough and diligent than Ersken, and Rosto ends Terrier as the King of Thieves, aware of crime throughout Corus. If criminals come to him for help with the law he's expected to do something about it. It would be very difficult to keep their business fully separate, and anyway Beka's got a hard personal line about not dating criminals and is monogamous enough to be offput by Rosto, who on his first appearance was with both Kora and Aniki. Her steady refusal means that by the third book they're Just Friends; they can be friends, but they can't live together. Beka does name a child after him though, if a passing reference to a mage named "Rosto Cooper" in The Numair Chronicles is any indication. Too obtuse

Edited by CelestialDraco on Mar 29th 2024 at 12:29:27 PM

Sewer one doesn't describe a setup for an unrealistic outcome, but I guess it's dependent on the audience not expecting anything more to come out of the Absurdly Spacious Sewer trope.

I'd argue that some of those "Plot happens" do still contain why it's surprising. With the general idealism of earlier Tortall Universe books, "we caught this guy and now he'll serve trial" seems like it would lead to justice. I'll revise, I do think some of that should stay in some form.

• Whateley Universe:
  • As multiple characters (namely Fey, Imperious and Majestic) find out, even if you are the avatar of a god, queen or other powerful figure, that means precisely nothing in the modern world, where you are a citizen like everyone else, subject to the same rules and laws. As a result, should you try to operate on your own terms, things will not go well for you. Fey specifically finds that while defending yourself is fine, there's a limit on how far you can go before you cross the line from defense to assault, and if you cross that line, it may well have serious consequences. Not surprising
  • A Single Fold starts with Folder getting called over to Security because they've found out who attacked him a while ago. Most of the security personnel are happy that they've got the evidence needed to get the bully punished; Folder is not, because he knows that the bully will just come after him again later for revenge, even though Folder didn't report it or tell Security anything. Character reaction
  • No matter how powerful someone is, power comes at a cost, as Fey and Tennyo find out: in the former's case, her power comes from ley lines, which are powered by nature, so all the fights she's got into resulted in her unknowingly pulling more Essence from the ley lines than was sustainable, killing off forests and animals in nearby areas. As a result, she's had to keep a close eye on what spells she uses to make sure she doesn't kill anything else. In the latter's case, her power has severely irradiated places she's battled in without her knowing it, so she now wears a bracelet with a device attached that can detect radiation levels. Too fantastical
  • In one of Team Kimba's simulated missions, they have to cross a room full of magma. Since everyone on the team can either fly or be carried by a flier, Tennyo suggests that they just fly over the magma to the other side. Phase then bluntly points out that even though they're high above the magma, the air is so hot that it'd kill them all, including Lancer (whose PK field would let the super-hot air in), Tennyo (who is almost invincible), and Shroud (who doesn't even have a living body). As a result, they have to use magic to safely cross. Not an outcome
    • During the boss fight, Tennyo accidentally blows up the villain's teleporter. The group use magic to escape, but later, when Tennyo calls herself out for destroying the teleporter, Phase points out that they needed to use magic anyway because for all they knew, the teleporter could have been set to teleport them into the magma. Not an outcome
  • Murphy can teleport, and does it quite a lot in Even Murphy Has Loopholes. Problem is, teleporting takes a lot of energy, and she does it so much in the early parts of the story that it causes her to drastically lose weight. By the end of the story, even though she starts eating more, it only takes one emergency to send her into total cellular starvation. Too fantastical
  • While being the avatar of a Fae Queen may sound awesome, as the Kodiak explains, Fae Queens were cold, heartless and malicious, and having one in her head was slowly making Fey become arrogant, self-righteous and cruel, to the point that it takes said Queen finally dying and a pep talk from the Kodiak for Fey to be able to realize just how bad Aunghadhail's influence was on her. Character reaction and too fantastical
  • A lot of mutants, most notably Energizers, are forced to eat more than normal because of their mutations. Not only is this not something they have any control over, there's multiple scenes when an Energizer (normally Tennyo) draws attention to themself because of how much they're eating. It's also caused problems for people who can't get enough food when they need it, or can't afford it- for example, in their backstory, while Jericho's family were happy to shelter Diamondback as she changed into her snake form, they couldn't afford to feed her as much as she needed for over a month, especially since she became unable to eat vegetables. Too implausible
  • In the Whateley 'verse, having a Kid Sidekick has been outlawed for decades. Why? Because when you send a kid into battle against super-villains, they more often than not get maimed or killed. Not an outcome
  • Some mutants have a DFA ("Deadly Force pre-Authorized") put on their official ID card by the MCO, meaning that they can be killed by any law enforcement officer for the most minor crimes. There have been a few attempts by various persons to have the DFA removed, but all of them are stuck in the court systems under miles of red tape. However, when it's brought to the attention of various powerful persons that the MCO has been putting DFAs on the cards of minors with no criminal records without due process, the entire MCO offices in two cities (as well as other agents from around the US) get arrested for civil rights violations and conspiring to murder children. Valid
  • Mutants who develop their powers and immediately go out to try to play superhero tend to be complete disasters: they have no idea what they're doing, and as a result sometimes end up accidentally causing considerable amounts of property damage, along with occasionally accidentally killing or maiming both the supervillains they're fighting and the innocent bystanders. Too fantastical
  • Reach has Rubber Man powers, but what he doesn't have (at least at first) is super strength- so sure, he can make his arm 15 feet long, but when he does, it's so floppy it's completely useless. Too implausible
  • By the time of the second generation, the Knights of Purity have been taken out of existence- but not by vengeful mutants or government action. Instead, they got sued into bankruptcy after fucking with the wrong company. After all the crimes they committed, it was only a matter of time- once the first lawsuits were won, the precedent gave every other victim what they needed to start getting their own revenge. Valid
  • Imp generally doesn't kill her enemies. Instead, she publicly humiliates them, and has caused several to lose their civilian identities, jobs, and in one case powers... so it's not really a surprise when some of them team up and come after her for revenge. Character reaction

Consensus?

Edited by CelestialDraco on Apr 5th 2024 at 7:05:15 AM

Looks good to me.

The valid examples don't properly explain what kind of Artistic License is expected, so they should also be removed.

• A Small but Stubborn Fire: Even though Marinette is Sabine’s daughter (even still a child), Dr Zhu can’t tell her what happened during the therapy session that caused Marinette to have a panic attack due to doctor-patient confidentiality much to her chagrin. Valid
• An Alternate Keitaro Urashima: In chapter 14, Motoko and her girl posse were genuinely surprised when the police come to arrest them after trying to force Keitaro into a duel. Apparently they didn't know that waving around a sword in public and threatening someone with it in front of numerous witnesses is against the law. Valid
• Avengers: Infinite Wars: Invoked when the Avengers discuss the problems with just exposing Palpatine as the Sith Lord, as they both lack evidence of their claim right now and want to avoid causing potential collateral damage by confronting Palpatine without sufficient evidence. Not an outcome
• Believe: By the conclusion, Gwen redeems herself in the eyes of her family and friends after she worked with Kevin and Hope to bring back the Totem of Life but she still committed criminal acts, such as holding people hostage, voluntarily collaborating with a known fugitive and waging a literal battle to name a few. She is brought to be tried before the Plumbers' Tribunal, found guilty, and sentenced to serve time in the Null Void. Valid
• Blood Sisters:
  • While Bo can feed on humans as well as fae, having spent so long living among fae means that she has grown used to finding it easier to "indulge", with the result that she has to engage in an orgy to get enough of a boost to keep up with her appetites without draining too much chi from any one person. Too fantastical
  • When Dyson joins Bo in Forks and they have sex in the woods, Bo subsequently has to deal with getting the pine needles out of her underwear. Plot happens
• Creatures That Defy Logic: Despite indications that Sean's showdown with Cody in senior year would be of status-quo-shaking proportions, it's a rather anticlimactic argument. Not a whole lot more than a pair of awkward teens who just continue to dislike each other, with no real resolution to what Sean expected to be a grand conspiracy against him, when he finds out that Cody just doesn't care. Valid
• Cyberpunk Edgerunners: The Rebel Path: At one point, Adrian is kidnapped and his car is stolen by Scavengers and is in the process of being gutted for parts by the time he's able to break free and turn the tables on his captors. He decides to have some modifications made to the vehicle while it is in the process of being repaired to make it faster and tougher. This takes a full month and a half — no instant repair-jobs here. Valid
• Danny Phantom: Blackmailed:
  • Colette gets in trouble for stalking Danny and Star while they’re at the ice cream shop when a cop catches her spying on them from some bushes while wearing a trench coat, hat, sunglasses, and binoculars, forcing her to run away. Plot happens
  • Colette admits that it’s a bad idea to run while wearing high heels since it’s a lot harder to do in real life than she’s seen in movies. Not an outcome
• Danny Phantom: Costumed: Dash and Paulina might’ve gotten away with bullying at school because of favoritism but that doesn’t apply to Michelle’s Halloween party where she takes her job as hostess super seriously and doesn’t hesitate to have her bouncer toss out Dash and Paulina for threatening Star and Danny. Deconstruction
• Danny Phantom Vs The Paranormal: Danny and Nat realize they can’t make a Long-Distance Relationship work because they live too far away from each other and settle for being Just Friends. This is true for many people who become romantically interested but live too far away to stay committed. Plot happens
• Loud Visions:
  • In chapter 15, a future vision reveals Lana will actually get very sick by getting a bad bacterial infection that later leads to gastric cancer if she continues to eat gross things unlike in the show where she almost never gets sick even with everything gross she eats. Too fantastical and Deconstruction
  • In chapter 15, a future vision reveals Lola will actually get fat and diabetes if she does not cut down on her sugar appetite unlike in the show where she never gains any weight even with how much sugary food she eats. Too fantastical and Deconstruction
• On the Trail of the Countess's Ghost:
  • Spending a long time in cold water and then driving at breakneck speeds in an open carriage in spring weather leads one to catching a severe cold. That's why Prince Yeletsky's first attempt at a The Reason You Suck unmasking speech directed at Tomsky fails completely: his throat is so sore his voice is almost completely lost. Valid
  • It's hard to aim with medical precision when one is agitated and implied to be at least somewhat drunk. Tomsky attempts a dramatic Better to Die than Be Killed suicide by stabbing himself, but doesn't strike the heart and only dies several days later. Valid
• Rediscovered Frontiers: Antoine's injuries are this. The author makes it quite clear that it's a miracle that Antoine survived the way he did, and him using the nanites to be up and about is creating its own toll on his body. Cuttable ZCE
• Robb Returns: Sloughing off years of accumulated fat from Robert's excessive hedonistic lifestyle takes a ridiculous amount of time. Age also certainly isn't helping his case either, as he notes how easier it was for him to work out when he was younger, combined with the fat he gained from years of inactivity. Granted, he's in much better shape than he was before and no longer is he morbidly overweight, but both Asha and Kevan have noted that while Robert is clearly putting in the bulk, he still has a bit of a belly from his previous lifestyle choices. Even many chapters later when Robert goes to the Wall and inspect what's happening, he's still carrying logs to help burn said fat. Not an outcome
• Sky Blossom: Godlava gets rid of her hated Step Servant… and quickly realizes that there is nobody left to manage the household, since both she and her own daughter aren't used to work. Very soon, they are impoverished. Valid
• Spider-Ninja:
  • Tap on the Head: Leo punches Stockman hard enough to knock him out. The next chapter revealed that the punch landed Stockman in SHIELD's med bay for a night. Valid
• Stranded Side Story: Sunk:
  • Dash might be able to get away with his bullying at school because of favoritism but not in public places like Nasty Burger or Floody Waters, where his bullying and/or destruction of property lands him in serious trouble. Deconstruction
  • Sam’s parents were sued for property damage when she destroyed a locker, napkin holder, and mailbox. Sam also got into big trouble with her family for this. Plot happens
• The Crown Atomic: The Totalist government in Britain is defeated, the island is fully under Canadian control, so, we can just restore the UK and move back to Britain, right? Wrong. The reconstruction of the original British administrative system and rebuilding of the infrastructure after the devastating war will take a long time, and Edward VIII chooses to install the British Reconstruction Authority with Lord Mountbatten in charge instead of moving to Britain immediately. The various dominions are also reluctant to surrender their newfound autonomy, resulting in a much more decentralized federation of Imperial Dominions rather than a return to the old hierarchic structure of the British Empire.^note The events representing this were purposefully modified by the author from the original Kaiserreich events, which portrayed the exact scenario listed in the first sentence. Incidentally, later versions of the mod would incorporate their own reconstruction event sequence loosely inspired by this portrayal. Not an outcome
• The Defenders of Remnant: During the Breach, Peter tries to use the wall of webs trick he used in Spider-Man 2 to stop the train or at least slow it down. Before he's even finished making all the webs, he reopens a wound from his previous torture session and has to let all of the webs go, failing to slow it down even a little bit. Too implausible
• The Morrigan: In chapter 52, Petra fires a gun at Renee as the big cliffhanger in one of the most shocking moments of the story. In the next chapter, we see that Renee has a fleshwound but is otherwise perfectly fine, since Petra is a civilian who hasn't held a gun in years and a single shot to the body is usually not immediately fatal. Valid
• The Odds: Sandra's sister Carolyn was a Tribute in the 48th Hunger Games, but despite being a martial arts prodigy with a score of eight, she was killed in the bloodbath with only one victory because she was only twelve and wasn't strong enough to do more damage. Valid
• The Reaping of Hatsune Miku: Kanade is the first to get on board with Miku's concert idea, happy to try and perform if it means possibly saving someone from the Noise. The next time we see her, she's practically passed out in Piapro Studio after trying to rehearse a dance routine, having pushed herself too hard. For the day of the concert, a mattress is brought backstage for her to rest on, and N25 is given the middle-of-the-show slot so that she has time to recover between setup and their performance. Plot happens

Edited by CelestialDraco on Apr 23rd 2024 at 10:06:21 AM

Consensus?

I'll try to take a crack at it:

• Valid examples 2-4 are more along the lines of Protagonist-Centered Morality (since the narrative establishes that the consensus is that they're guilty/important, with the law/dislike being secondary to that).
• 6 and 7 seem to lean in the direction of Methuselah Syndrome (which in this context depends on likelihood rather than realism, since neither Yeletsky nor Tomsky are focused on Ludicrous Precision).
• The Sky Blossom example better fits Didn't Think This Through.
• I think the same Ludicrous Precision rule applies to The Morrigan example but I could be wrong (it doesn't involve MS though since it's a gunfight that's specifically set up as intense for the sake of being intense, not depending solely on health beforehand).
• The Odds example seems to involve a Competence Zone, so it probably isn't meant to be totally realistic if it doesn't arise from in-universe expectations of a Drama-Preserving Handicap.

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Everything else looks good IMO.

Silver and gold, silver and gold

Characters.Two Kinds:

We deleted this per the "non-real things cannot be surprisingly realistic" rule. ~Stibbs re-added it with the edit reason "Trope was added back in as word of god confirmed the outcome that had happened in chapter 22 and 23, happened precisely because of Reni's lack of magical knowledge." Is there some reason we're unaware of that this should make magic realistic?

Edited by wingedcatgirl on Apr 24th 2024 at 10:57:01 AM

Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.

Not familiar with the example, but I would think it would be realistic that a more experienced person would usually beat a less-experienced one, even if it's at magic.

Is it necessarily surprising though? The example is a run-on sentence that only really states what happened and why — not if the audience was expecting something else.

Current Project: Incorruptible Pure Pureness

I'm having trouble parsing that, but it seems to be saying the Strong, but Unskilled character loses to the experienced character who has specific tactics to oppose her. That's not surprising, and it doesn't look like the narrative was setting up for an unsurprising outcome.

#2418: What exactly is the reasoning behind "Not an outcome" for The Crown Atomic? I've read the canned stock phrase definition in the OP, but I'm still not sure on what specific grounds this one got the axe.