Needs Help: Unexpected Character

This really should be an Audience Reaction/YMMV.

The definition pretty much relies on audience expectations about whether or not Character x will appear in a work, or some darkhorse (not necessarily an Ensemble Dark Horse, just a regular darkhorse) randomly showing in a capacity that surprises of the audience (e.g. the page quote).

Looking at it, yeah, it's justifiable to make it YMMV.

Opened.

Also voting to make this YMMV.

Exactly. Make it YMMV.

to making it YMMV.

I agree that it's audience's reaction too as they are the ones who find the character unexpected to appear, though it's kinda hard to image that, in retrospect, that there's somehow someone who would expect a character to make an appearance.

Yep, that's Audience Reaction all the way.

Always thought this should be YMMV. Definitely in favor of a move.

There's certainly something objective to having a known character appearing in a setting inappropriate to them.

For example, in a world of fairy tales like Once Upon a Time, it is objectively true that Doctor Frankenstein is an out-of-context and thus unexpected character.

That needs to be its own trope.

Isn't that Elseworld?

would you put "Frankenstein appearing in a fairy tale" in Elseworld? That trope is by definition a subtrope of Alternate Universe while the case I'm using could be Fantasy Kitchen Sink instead.

Yeah, Elseworld isn't really related.

But yeah, do we have a trope for things like that, or examples where a character seems like they're transplanted from a different genre (and don't you dare say Wrong Genre Savvy)?

Well, I believe that trope you're describing is Unexpected Character. The reason Solid Snake is the subject of the page image is because he is a character from an M-Rated spy thriller appearing in a cartoony platform fighter starring Mario and his buddies.

edited 17th Jun '17 3:44:06 PM by DustSnitch

I found Genre Refugee.

Okay, so that's exactly what I'm describing. So either A) I'm wrong and Unexpected Character should definitely be a YMMV item or B) I'm right, and the only way to keep Unexpected Character from being redundant is to make it a YMMV item.

Essentially, I don't see a reason not to make it a YMMV item at this point besides the fact that moving all those Wicks is going to be tedious.

Yep, that's exactly what I was describing, too. With that pointed out, I think we can pretty clearly call this one.

Yeah, it's more or less unanimous with 9 (or 10, not sure if Getta actually made a concrete vote) for making YMMV and it's been a week. Unless we want a crowner to make it super official, I think we can safely call this.

x2 While wick moving is a bit tedious, making the trope YMMV means that main page examples will be marked and thus encourage people to move them. That helps a bit.

edited 21st Jun '17 1:53:30 PM by Karxrida

Late to the party, but yeah, for YMMV.

Making it YMMV is just a matter of adding it to the Audience Reactions index, right? Is there any YMMV index more suitable for this item?

No, Audience Reactions is exactly right. You should also put a note on the discussion page. And perhaps add a mention of Genre Refugee to the description of Unexpected Character.

I didn't say it, yeah, but YMMV please.

Okay, I changed it to an Audience Reaction. Now to start moving wicks around.

EDIT: For the record, I'm starting by removing the trope from anticipated upcoming works, because those will have the most people reading and editing them in the next few months. So if we want to establish that Unexpected Character is YMMV, starting on those pages is the way to do it.

edited 24th Jun '17 11:15:58 AM by DustSnitch

What about examples of misuse? How do you tell if it's misused now?

what "misuse"? Nobody talked about this trope being misused before.