edited to add this information, since this is going to be a long clean-up
"Donald Trump, as with any other current political figure, should not be a subject of any trope example on the wiki, except:
- When the work in question specifically mentions the RL individual.
- When the entirety of the example has to do with the portrayal of that individual in the work.
- When the work is fictional.
All three of these must apply.
Alternatively:
- When the RL individual has a creative role themselves, such as writing or acting in a work. In this sense we give them no more nor less treatment then we would any other creator.
Additionally, please make sure to take out any examples of "Funny Aneurysm" Moment, Harsher in Hindsight, or Hilarious in Hindsight regarding these political figures. A political event that may be seen positively by some people may be seen negatively by others.
We're starting with the wicks to Donald Trump (There were 751 of them at the starting point of this count.)
Wicks have already been checked and cleared up to
2/14/17 Inherent in the System
Given the current political climate, talking about Donald Trump on this Wiki is a very sensitive topic and pretty much any comment on him could easily end up violating the Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment. I talked it over on Ask a Troper and a moderator gave me permission to start this topic. I feel it will be necessary to make sure any mention of him is safe and avoids politically charged or biased opinions. Right now, we need to stick to facts, not opinions.
Edited by SeptimusHeap on Jul 27th 2020 at 2:06:58 AM
"Public persona" isn't an excuse for calling someone a hypocrite though, is it?
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Read the list of criteria in the pinned post at the top of each page of this thread.
And yes, as a TV personality, he is a Creator as well as the President and could have a Creator page, covering his TV and movie appearances..
edited 18th Feb '17 6:22:09 AM by Madrugada
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Blapper of Water
I worked up from the bottom of the wicks. It should be good up to Memes.Twitch Plays Pokemon Season 3, I think. I checked out Characters.True Capitalist, but I am way too tired and too confused by this one to call it. Are the characters totally fictional or is this a weird radio show?
Wick count now 707.
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The Unknown
Blapper of Water
RE: #26: Presidents aren't supposed to have trope lists just like other RL people. Barack Obama and George W. Bush need to be cleaned up (see Bill Clinton and this thread
). One of the standards from the Real Life people cleanup thread includes "The article for the person him/herself should avoid tropes about them as a person."
Commented on that in the other thread; it ain't that simple.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Blapper of Water
I know this is out of order but there were these giant blocks in the Nostalgia Critic and Real Life subpages, so I nuked 'em.
The only survivor is TrademarkFavoriteFood.Real Life, and honestly it's kind of adorable that we have this page in the first place. I think people were talking about cutting all of the Real Life subpages, but this particular example is absent of opinion and if it doesn't work then I doubt the page itself works either.
Is there anything we can do to discourage the use of Take That! with political figures?
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Heel
On a related note, should we send Memes.Politics and Memes.US Politics to the cutlist?
edited 20th Feb '17 9:20:56 AM by LaptopGuy
I no longer edit on TV Tropes but will continue as an occasional forum poster.
Got a related problem. On The Apprentice, someone potholed Creator.Donald Trump to the President. I did a brief look at the user's history, and I didn't find any more changes like that (and he has plenty of normal edits), but it's something to keep an eye out for.
How is that a ROCEJ issue? It's just stating a fact. Trump is the POTUS. Now, if someone were to change it to, say, "the alleged President'" or "Drumpf", then that would be Flame Bait and thus fair game for deletion. But just saying Trump is Prez as a plain fact seems pretty neutral (unless said edit was made prior to his inauguration, that is.) Was it?
edited 22nd Feb '17 5:15:24 PM by Theatre_Maven_3695
Blapper of Water
To be fair, it is technically a Wiki policy issue concerning Trump. "Examples are not recent." We'll all forget about that page in 4 years (or whenever). I think we should encourage people to bring up Trump-related wiki policy breaking.
We should be correcting such errors anyways as we clean-up the ROCEJ-breaking wicks.
To address the issue at hand, wicking the page to UsefulNotes.Donald Trump is the correct thing to do, and taking the link out of the pothole. I see you took it out of the pothole, so that's great. I namespaced it to the Useful Notes page.
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Unless that fact that he's President now is relevant to what happened on the show, It should not be potholed.
ETA: Ah, His Useful Notes page covers both the Creator aspect and the President aspect. That could get sticky... However, the pothole as it stands now is correct.
edited 22nd Feb '17 6:35:07 PM by Madrugada
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
The Unknown
I'd argue it's a Sinkhole but w/e, it's not violating ROCEJ.
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
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It's not a complete sinkhole, since the Useful Notes page does cover his role on the show as well as his position as President, but it would probably work better if the words "television show" were linked to "The Apprentice" since that's what people are most likely looking for if they landed on that page by mistake.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Blapper of Water
I don't know if I should cut the entry with Donald Trump in WMG.Nickelodeon Fanon (for being more or less utterly nonsensical and potential bait for something later on) or to cut the page (for that first reason plus the only other entry is complaining).
Look at all that shiny stuff ain't they pretty
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Does that page even have a main page it's attached to? If not, it needs to go. Subpages don't stand alone except under very limited circumstances.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Blapper of Water
Timeline.Donald Trump exists. This was brought up in the YKTTW crash rescue thread, but this thread seems more like the place to go for that. If we're voting, I'm voting to cut. It's pointless outside of being bait.
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Agreed. Any Trump related page (hell, any political page at all IMO) should consider itself damn lucky to ever be unlocked for public editing. So even if this timeline did have any non Flame Bait merit (which it doesn't), it would have to be locked from now till doomsday. As long as people refuse to be civil and adult about these things, we must continue to enforce this partial ban on (current/recent) politics.
edited 26th Feb '17 7:58:19 PM by Theatre_Maven_3695
Blapper of Water
And Timeline.Donald Trump expands. Should we cut the entries that are about other people in relation to Trump? Currently, that would be what the ACLU did in January. Or do we want to just outright cut the page?
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Lost in Space
Should Memes.Donald Trump be salted as well? Seems like it's just asking for all the bile and mockery that's been locked out of the main page will just get dumped there. It ought to be at least locked for quality control purposes.
Blapper of Water
Some of those memes are not even memes. That's just a breeding ground for gross and ew.
[EDIT: I'm voluntarily redacting the list for the same reason I voted to purge the memes page: The information is not worth keeping. Note that I did plan on deleting that list after the page was cut anyways (since it obviously was going to be cut).]
I don't think it's worth keeping or even cleaning. Just purge it.
edited 1st Mar '17 6:37:44 PM by WaterBlap
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Lost in Space
Salted it. Needs dewicking (3 wicks).
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Dewicked. Now the inbounds can wither and die in peace. Good riddance. in other news, what's the status of Memes.Politics and its American cousin? Assassination? Or perhaps just a quality-control lock?
edited 1st Mar '17 1:26:13 PM by Theatre_Maven_3695
Well, Barack Obama has a trope list, which tropes is public persona.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman