Trope Pantheon Story thread

Allies for Arachne? What kind of allies would be appropriate?

Allies for Arakune. Not Arachne the original spider. Though they're allies.

I think the basis is that they have to understand what it's like to be Was Once a Man, or more enjoying him as a monster than a full human.

Does a curse that transforms someone into a creature but has control over his/her form count? If that so i would think Greymane would pity Arakune. (The Current Greymane. In the past i would believe he would have easily choose to kill him)

Pity maybe but probably not enough to get him as an ally or enemy.

How about the Puella Magi girls? They are doom to turn into Witches. Maybe Albert Wesker might want to keep him as the way he is. Maybe The Joker as well. If it's funny. Medusa and Arachne were human once.

Mami already is an ally of Litchi, and considering their allegiance, she will want Arakune restored as well. Sayaka and Kyoko and probably Madoka CAN support as well. Homura? Not sure once we take Rebellion into account...

Wesker in the prelude backstabbed Relius to provide his 'downfall' and slightly freeing Litchi from accusations of 'She was easily swayed with Relius' offer, the weak-willed woman she is, therefore she supports doomsday and unsympathetic.' But since it affected Carl as well, and considering how he turned out in CF... I think best to wait a bit. However, I can agree that Wesker will want Arakune's old form as experimental subject.

Mistah J is Mistah J. Need I say more? OK... probably he, being the 'Terumi predecessor', would find people accusing Litchi for being unsympathetic because unable to let go, clinging to their good ol' morality as reasoning, to be a great joke. So he probably wants to preserve Arakune's state because it's keeping the punchline intact.

But I want to know. Would he think of this to be a greater joke than what he has on The Killing Joke? I thought it would be one of his personal favorites, and I don't want to ruin it.

edited 27th Apr '16 7:14:04 PM by ChrisX

One thing to remember with Arakune is that he isn't just a giant pile of goo now. He is also insane. He constantly seeks knowledge... but his preferred way of getting it is literally consuming it. Only person in BB what can be considered "an ally" what Arakune had is freaking Azrael in CF, though Azrael more or less drags him around.

Hmm, blob monster(?) who seeks knowledge who is also known to eat people... that actually sounds a lot like Saya to me.

He seeks knowledge by consuming things? Brainiac might be interest in him since he seeks knowledge. Of course, he then destroys the place he got his knowledge so he be the only person with say knowledge. Maybe he be an "ally" to Arakune, bit only to gain his knowledge and destroy him.

Here are my two cents: Flowey might want Arakune to stay the way he is because Arakune is more fun then Roy, Mayuri might want him to stay as he is if only to study the Boundary, Relius might want Arakune to stay as he is so he could do more experiments on him (heck, this might get him the opportunity to be released and obtain his former "Intermediate God" status), and Orchiamru might want to study Arakune too. Lots of people might want Arakune alive and as he is....this is why I love the TV Tropes Pantheon: there is much potential in here for stories of all types and kinds, you could literally weaponize the potential and use it to make THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS of reality bombs. Or you could use it to make the New 52 good. Maybe.

@Magnum 12 "In short, MCW is a deeply metafictional story making cracks at fan base expectaions, especially poignant because something the Blaz Blue fandom forgets is the game's deconstructive elements." Huh. Alright, thanks for that. You know, I don't think that I'm really cut out for the Morality Civil War. It's not that I'm not interested in meta-fiction but that I don't think that I'd be too good at it. I'm more interested in making good stories (not saying that this won't be good) overall. If you can make a good story with a good message, fine, but if you're having trouble getting the message in without ruining the story, I think it's time to cut your losses.

edited 28th Apr '16 8:33:55 AM by fredhot16

You know, I was just thinking about that TV Tropes Pantheon tournament that has been kicking around for some time and the thought struck me: are there any way to put combination attacks in the tournament?

No double posting please. Also, combination attacks were work in the long run.

there isn't one. Also don't think it's needed.

edited 28th Apr '16 10:17:35 AM by WhirlRX

Yeah, sorry for the double posting but it was an entirely different subject so I thought it was justified. So...is there is a list for combination attacks? Can I find such a thing? Where are they, anyway?

edited 28th Apr '16 10:12:36 AM by fredhot16

Eh, I thought it would look interesting. Rule of Cool and all that.

Again, stop double posting. I just told you to stop that.

So there is one question about the rework MCW what came to me: What are we going to do with the members of SEES? When the story first began, only members in the Pantheon were Mitsuru, Aigis and Makoto, who had no part on the story. During that time, things were simple: Mitsuru would support Litchi because her situation is rather similar to Yukari's and Aigis went with the third option, which is to eliminate the problem and then try to make everyone move on with their lives. But now that everyone but Ken and Koromaru have ascended... Is this becoming The Answer 2.0?

Now that is an interesting thing that crossed my mind as well: Yukari.

My take is that rather than Mitsuru suddenly supporting Litchi for this, I think that... perhaps Yukari would be a victim as well? That is, people still not forgiving her actions in The Answer and demanded justice on her, just as they demand justice on Litchi. This way, Mitsuru probably would NOT try to protect Litchi, but instead Yukari. Which then snowballed that Mitsuru is said to be an accessory of evil for siding with Yukari that one time.

This way I think we can make the MCW to be less about focusing Litchi, which might make her look like a Mary Sue. (Dunno, people just tend to brand someone as Mary Sue if they don't like the character and the spotlight just happens to be on them on the time of story. I'm looking at you, Celica). The focus will instead be people who would become victims of this 'angry mob of justice and The Needs of the Many'. Rather than focusing on one person, other people can be victims as well. Rather than just videos jeering on Litchi's decisions and what she is 'supposed to do', we can also have similar videos... except focusing on Yukari and even Mitsuru about what the fans think to be more 'logical' when it comes to The Answer. Dunno, something like expecting Mitsuru to just forget about Yukari saving her from her BSOD and go against her trying to go back in time and doom the world, or expecting Yukari to magically get over Makoto Yuki's death and never even think of going back in time. (Not sure if there will be a Makoto Nanaya counterpart here, in this I mean, Aigis or Akihiko are suddenly hailed as the 'shining example of goodness' for choosing to respect the death of P3MC)

I can name another who has this problem, but I don't have full experience of the game, so I don't think I can write this character justice. Bonus points, this character is also male so both genders get their fair share: Joel. Just Joel, not Ellie. And by this we meant having videos that expected Joel to let Ellie die for the sake of many in his Crapsack World. I think the mob get really mad and decided to do a manhunt on Ellie to punish Joel for choosing her over many. In other words, Ellie is like the Arakune.

edited 28th Apr '16 9:13:37 PM by ChrisX

So I noticed the finale of the Reformation of Law is written. Um...no. Nope. If you have a planned finale, keep it to yourself. We're still debating about the skeleton of the story, so please remove it and store it for later.

Speaking of which; here's the skeleton I have planned. Tell me what you think?

• Act 1: Prelude. Eiki Shiki and Eliphas begin debating about how to deal with Mr "No Fun Allowed", while YHVH is considering what to do with the rising descent. They begin hiring spies and other sabotage against each other. Lucifer is curious, and weighs his options
• Act 2: The Battle Begins. Something from either side ignites the conflict. I'd prefer it if it were the likes of the Reformists. Remember; the Reformists are A Lighter Shade of Grey. They aren't straight-up heroes, but they are better than YHVH's crowd. Similarly, YHVH has some genuinely good(or at least anti-hero) people who are loyalist.
• Act 3: Battle Royale. The meat of the fight. Both Melkor and Cosmos make their move to take advantage of this war, using it to promote their agendas of Evil and Good respectively. It escalates until the biggest guns come out. Allegiances change. Lectures are spoken.
• Act 4: Finale. YHVH goes One-Winged Angel, and is taking out all the stops. A great war between the strong arms of the two Law sides eventually ends in the defeat of YHVH. His fate is debatable, but there's one thing that must remain constant; he loses his position of Overdeity of Law.
• Act 5: Epilogue. At the end of the day, the GUAL is reformed from being Lawful Evil to Pure Law. The GUAC, especially Lucifer, has to deal with what it means to their group now that their greatest enemy is down, and they cannot use the excuse of "the lesser of two evils." Melkor and Cosmos consider what to do now

My next storyline idea after this? Blackest Gauntlet. As the new alliance on the block, the Grand United Alliance of Destruction make their move. It's time for them to become relevant. And with their rise in power, the Pantheonic Toa step up towards their most hated enemies. The Black has made their move, and soon, the White will follow

edited 29th Apr '16 1:38:42 AM by RJ-19-CLOVIS-93

Oh yeah,'Pantheonic Toa. Remember those guys? Aren't they so important? Wasn't it so worth it creating a page which no one ever updates? Seriously, we might as well delete the whole thing.

I honestly want to ascend Sanson before this tale, as I feel like he would have a big role in it.

I think it should be modified rather than deleted. As defenders of the balance and of nature, they serve as a counter to the GUAD...hmmm, actually, I gots me an idea.

On another note, what events would we like to see in the Reformation of Law? I gots me another idea; like SMT IV Final, YHVH tries to fuse Satan with another being. Let's say the Reformists have an Overdeity on their side, a major heavy hitter; the Living Tribunal, I guess So they need another being merged with Satan to produce a broken enough character to take on the Living Tribunal.

So who's getting the Fusion Dance with Satan? High Councillor Kal-El and Rassilon. The darker counterpart of the superhero, and the founder of Time Lords? This unholy combination of the divine, comic and scientific creating a counter to Eiki and Eliphas' strongest fighter. Regime Superman for the power, Rassilon for the technical know how and Satan for the loyalty. Three beings in one, just like the Living Tribunal, for an epic battle that ends in a double knock-out

My friends, I bring you Kal-Satan the Judge Lord. YHVH's ultimate weapon, forged as an absolute last resort against the strongest of his opponent's fighters. The Evil Counterpart to the Living Tribunal, who's a more humanoid but still very serpentine take on Satan. He gets the nifty gauntlets of Rassilon, and wears clothes with merged qualities of the two.

Heck, here's some Fusion Dance ideas. I'm not planning to introduce them any time soon, it's fanfiction really, but just in case anyone wants to use it, here are fusion to the Alignment leaders(note that in-story it takes a massive amount of power/science/other difficulties to do. This is only a last resort for the toughest of battles they take):

• Chaos Morgoth; Melkor and Nyaralthotep combined. Apperance-wise, the many faces, black body and so on of Nyarlathotep is more humanoid and inhabits Morgoth's armor. The face is mostly Melkor but with the eye color and skin color of Nyarlathotep
• Cosmic Epistle; Cosmos and Philemon combined. An androgynous entity of beauty and glory with their mixed features
• The Black King; Nekron and the Lich combined. On Nekron's frame, his clothes and skin are now like the Lichs', combined with a Glasgow Grin and horns.

I am not sure if I am missing something, but in Apocalypse, Satan does not fuse with anybody. Instead, Satan pops up when Lucifer and Merkabah, who in IV timeline were two separated halves of Satan so that YHVH can run both sides of the conflict (the real Lucifer is not seen), fuse back together.

Thanks for that, Clovis. Now I know I should prepare from Acts and such for the rebooted MCW.

You know, I think Archangel Michael should have a part in the GUAL reformation. I should also made him allies with Eiki.

So instead, I should split Satan up to Regime Superman and Rassilon. Thus upgrading them to Overdeities for a 2 on 1; Kal-Satan and Devil Rassilon

edited 29th Apr '16 5:10:32 AM by RJ-19-CLOVIS-93

What. That is incredibly random, relies on something what has been done only once and most likely wouldn't work like the way you vision, and really doesn't make a lot of sense how it would work and why he would just suddenly mimic two people already in his side.

Don't forget that Satan has a Heel–Face Turn in Final and turns on YVHV.

This is the build Usalia will have in Reformation.

• Primary Evilities: Anti Bully Aura, Precious People (both innates), Immortal Body, Gel Body, Greedy Disposistion
  • Common Evility Line 1: Rabbit Ear Radar, Star Gazing, Angel Inmunity
  • Common Evility Line 2: Super Guts, Elemental Rise, Enemy Lure.

MCW: I'd say Homura will be a wild card in this. One one hand she'd pity Litchi for being Not So Different. On the other hand, she'll see Arakune as a witch and might consider killing him no questions asked (she'll even attempt to have herself killed given her reaction to finding out she was the witch).

This issue gets complicated when one takes into consideration that Litchi NEEDS Arakune in order to cure the corruption that's affecting HER (Litchi told NO ONE about this). This makes her case more sympathetic.

Given that PMMM witches are a Chaotic Insane rendition of Chaotic Evil, the comparisons between Arakune and a witch are stronger.

Joker is unfortunately trapped in a petrification spell that turned him to an adamantiun statue, revenge on Homura's over Fear Toxin. Alas, this statue is contained in the final floor of the Labyrinth of Amalia (Lucifer's inner sanctum) as a trophy of the GUAC.

edited 29th Apr '16 6:54:31 PM by magnum12