Imagine Breaker vs Anime

Imagine Breaker is an Anti-Magic, seemingly sentient weapon wielded by Touma Kamijou in the light novel A Certain Magical Index. It's power? Cancel out any magical or specifically coded "esper" abilities (ie - the supernatural).

We've seen it deflect/disable beings comprised of magical essence, summoned creatures, magical attacks, esper powers, nullify esper-controlled abilities through contact, remove a memory-blocking effect by touching Touma's forehead, and even ignore the reality warping abilities of a magician passively.

So, what attacks and/or forces from other anime/light novels/manga can beat it?

edited 29th May '17 6:55:30 PM by FOFD

Akira Toriyama (April 5 1955 - March 1, 2024).

Isn't that the entire point of this thread? Kinda. Well the other way around I guess.

Still though. Antimagic isn't that hard to beat: you just need to boost your own abilities instead of inflicting them on others. Such as super speed, which thanks to inertia, is automatically really really powerful.

...Does this require a thread? Imagine Breaker is pretty straightforward Anti-Magic, and it should be fairly obvious what would or wouldn't work

edited 14th Sep '14 2:51:32 AM by Hylarn

Anything invented by Jimmy Neutron.

The Katchu Tenshin Amiguriken, maybe the Kijin Raishu Dan depending on interpretation and probably most of the low and mid level tenchniques of the Yama-sen-ken. Happo-dai-karin (or however its supposed to be spelt).

Of course the Futae no Kiwami, Gatotsu and just about anything from the Hiten Mitsurugi-ryu, up to and including Amakaeru no Hirameki would absolutely wreck Touma.

Chad's Right Arm of the Giant and and Left Arm of the Devil from Bleach would probably win. Even with Imagine Breaker cancelling any special effects... you're still being punched by Chad.

It would be... curious to see how Imagine Breaker would interact with the various Noble Phantasms and other assorted stuff from the Nasuverse. Especially Gae Bolg and the way it twists causality into a pretzel. For that matter whether it would be able to stop Tsubame Gaeshi's dimension refraction is an open question. (Not that Kojiro would probably need it). Interaction with Gae Dearg's own anti-magic properties would be interesting to observe but then it might just come down to sharp pointy spear vs soft squishy hand. Assuming it wouldn't just cause a Servant to vanish completely either it would be useless against Fate Berserker. Sure it might bypass God Hand but then you're still trying to punch the giant slab of muscle that is Hercles into submission. That cannot end well.

On the issue of Geass, enduring stuff like Lulu, Chuck's or CC's would be dispelled the first time Touma scratched his head but stuff with more short term, immediate effects like Rolo's Time Stop or Shang's Suicide Geass would probably work as long as Touma wasn't touching his head at the time of activation.

edited 14th Sep '14 4:03:01 PM by KnightofLsama

As its name suggests, Imagine Breaker can only break things composed of imaginations and desires. This means faith, imagination, thoughts, willpower, and other things likewise. It cannot break, nullify and deter what is actually real. Stronger physical trauma, real sharp blades, and even bullets. Truth be told, Imagine Breaker is quite a limited use arsenal in itself.

Same as usual.... Wing it.

Wait, if that's the case, why's FOFD saying it would stop Laharl's meteor and a punch from One-Punch Man? Those are purely real, physical techniques.

edited 14th Sep '14 5:51:42 PM by burnpsy

My bad

Imagine Breaker is shown deflecting attacks from similar sources.

It blocked a punch/shielded Touma from being crushed by a fire elemental (aka, Laharl's Meteor Drive thing)

It also blocked a golem that was several times Touma's size, despite that thing being physically real. Esper abilities may be products of imaginative reality warping, but magical abilities are physically real. (One Punch Man's gift is superhuman strength/overwhelming an opponent with one hit)

edited 14th Sep '14 5:52:02 PM by FOFD

Akira Toriyama (April 5 1955 - March 1, 2024).

Okay, so it would be able to block the meteor. But that doesn't sound like it could block a punch from One-Punch Man, since One-Punch Man is just a normal guy who trained so hard that he's just that physically strong.

I'm a bit sketchy on that one myself, but I still find the concept amusing - though, maybe Saitama just punches him and its over. Other than the golem, which was summoned/is a magical construct, I don't think he's ever blocked someone whose purely Charles Atlas Superpower.

Domon Kasshu's Shining Finger would wreck Imagine Breaker.

Last I checked, wasn't Saitama bullshitting Geno about how he actually got his power?

edited 14th Sep '14 5:56:41 PM by FOFD

Akira Toriyama (April 5 1955 - March 1, 2024).

I just doubled-checked. Chapter 2 of the ONE remake of One-Punch man has Saitama monologuing right after the flashback that he just trained so hard he went bald.

That said, he was pretty strong in that flashback too.

edited 14th Sep '14 5:59:27 PM by burnpsy

Servants would probably survive, since they're established to have a "spiritual core". In ToAru, Touma can't kill high-class spiritual beings without touching their core, since the body is like a hologram continuously emitted by it. I'm also guessing Imagine Breaker can't affect things created through Heaven's Feel magic, so Gilgamesh would be immune to it (and his sheer number of attacks would be hard for Touma to stop even if we assume he can destroy them).

True Ancestors are basically extensions of the planet that count as completely natural, meaning Arcueid could tear Touma to shreds. Likewise it's doubtful that Imagine Breaker could stop Shiki from stabbing Touma's Point of Death, though it's possible that Shiki would accidentally see the "invisible demon" and his head would explode trying to analyse it.

I'm not sure how Imagine Breaker would interact with Enuma Elish or Slash Emperor, since they function by "revealing the truth of the world".

As a sidenote Gae Bolg could probably get past Accelerator's reflection field to pierce his heart, though Accel wouldn't die from it right away since he can use his powers to pump his blood manually.

edited 15th Sep '14 4:00:56 PM by Prime32

Excuse me, but what exactly do you mean Heaven's Feel Magic?

Since my understanding of Imagine Breaker is that it nullifies anything magical or unnatural, the natural conclusion is that it wouldn't work on machinery or scientific weaponry. Therefore, while it would defeat most magical girls Homura Akemi would defeat him soundly, as would any user of a Symphogear.

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Kami Tenchi from Tenchi OVA's and the Lord of Nightmares from Slayers are likely immune, as well.

edited 11th Jul '15 1:04:45 PM by Demongodofchaos2

Watch Symphogear

Heaven's Feel, the third Magic/True Magic/Sorcery (translations vary), from Type-Moon's shared universe. It's described as the forced materialisation of the soul and is intergral to the system that summons Heroic Spirits as Servants in the Holy Grail War of the Fate/stay night franchise.

(The First is the Denial of Nothingness, the Second is Kaleidoscope, the operation of parallel realities, the Fouth is unnamed and unknown, and the Fifth is Blue which has... something... to do with time travel/manipulation)

Hmm... by that line of thought any Marble Phantasm, Primate Murder or any of Gaia's Counter-Guardians (as opposed to Alaya's) or empowered by Gaia's Counter-Force would be more or less immune.

Hmmm... assuming that it's true (and Imagine Breaker has to have limits) then Touma wouldn't be able to stop the Giga Slave or Ragna Blade either. As the lady herself says "My mind is my power, my power is my mind."

Touma would have a curious time in Disboard. Against a Human or Warbeast opponent he would be utterly stomped but against an Elf or one of the other magic using races, as long as he stipulated that they couldn't use magic as part of the contest he might actually do well for himself. Victory by default when Imagine Breaker cancelled the magic and exposed their cheating. No hope against Blank, but then again... who does?

edited 11th Jul '15 4:22:45 PM by KnightofLsama

Elephant in the room: the metaphysics governing the usage of superpowers varies from universe to universe.

Touma's ability almost certainly wouldn't function outside of the To Aru universe, because what's defined as the "native state" would be different. On the flipside, translating non-To Aru characters into the To Aru universe also likely has implications for how they function.

A lot of the times, this "well, universes run under different assumptions" thing can be disregarded (for instance, "shonen universe" rules are just sort of handwaved for non-Shonen unvierses), but when it comes to things like Imagine Breaker, which pretty much function because of the rules of the universe, it's pretty relevant.

That being said, I'd wager that anyone from outside the To Aru universe, even a mundane human, would probably explode to Imagine Breaker simply because, from the context of To Aru, those universes they're from are fiction.

edited 11th Jul '15 8:56:48 PM by TheyCallMeTomu

That takes all the fun out of it though

If you must insist on such an interpretation, imagine this taking place in some space between worlds where the rules of neither universe hold sway.

Though I just had a interesting thought. Imagine breaker vs Schrodinger from Hellsing. The resulting paradoxes just boggle the mind really.

On the other hand, in the category of capable of turning Touma into a greasy stain: most high-powered cyborgs from just about any series you care to name. Also any mecha, autonomous or piloted. Even pilots like Newtypes from the Gundam wouldn't be inconvenienced courtesy of being separated from Touma's right hand by several tons of armour.

Spike from Cowboy Bebop. Just Shoot Him

Yeah, his own series admits that Touma's at a major disadvantage against a Bad Ass Normal or Fights Like a Normal characters since he's only a moderately talented brawler and he's heavily reliant on his right hand's power to end fights against Espers and Magicians in a hurry.

What about beings with a questionable nature, Hollows from Bleach?

Are they considered natural or supernatural?

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In context, given they draw their powers from the same source that give the other characters their "supernatural" abilities, probably best to treat them (and Shinigami) as inherently supernatural.

Though it was established fairly early on that a high enough concentration of reishi have physical presence even to the most spiritually blind. So even if Touma could cancel their powers, you're still dealing with people armed with swords (or bows and arrows) who have super-speed who could slice and dice him before he could react. Especially as he couldn't see them coming. Imagine Breaker would be best against kido, various hollow/arrancar abilities or a Sternritter's schrift.

Saitama could punch Imagine Breaker with ease.

Watch Symphogear

I'm pretty sure Imagine Breaker could stop Gae Bolg. It was able to stop Gungnir, and it does the same thing as Gae Bolg.

Considering IB can disturb lay lines, which are part of earth itself True Ancestors and C.Guardians are fair game. IB could also break any NP it touch. But Excalibeam and stronger energy based attacks would probably rip his hand away.

Gil would win with blade spam, but if Touma get close, first punch would destroy armor, second if well landed spiritual core.

Same for Zanpakou, everything in SC is made of dome spiritual stuff those it would get evaporated by touch similiary as catholics fleet or Anglicans flying fortresses.