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crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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Spinosegnosaurus77 Mweheheh from Ontario, Canada Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend
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#27: Apr 12th 2014 at 11:43:07 AM

[up]Doesn't specify that this is specifically about prehistoric life.

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#28: Apr 12th 2014 at 3:12:42 PM

I'm inclining toward Artistic License Prehistoric Life

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crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#30: Apr 12th 2014 at 4:06:40 PM

What would Artistic License Prehistory cover that Artistic License Prehistoric Life doesn't?

Not insisting my suggestion is "right", but if there are things that it covers, then that's a case for a new Supertrope, dealt with entirely separate from this TRS thread.

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Spinosegnosaurus77 Mweheheh from Ontario, Canada Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend
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#31: Apr 12th 2014 at 4:21:29 PM

[up]The geology and geography of prehistoric Earth, perhaps?

edited 12th Apr '14 4:21:54 PM by Spinosegnosaurus77

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#32: Apr 12th 2014 at 4:36:38 PM

Climatology, sociological aspects...

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crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#33: Apr 12th 2014 at 5:12:53 PM

  • Geology: hasn't changed
  • Geography: already in the description
  • Climatology: Palaeo-climatology deals with time periods, which is already part of the description.
  • Sociological aspects: Not sure what you're referencing here, since everything I know are either Science Marches On, Stone Punk, or just setting a modern-day view of society in any time period.

Out of the four objections, two are already present in the trope: In Real Life many of the most commonly-recognized dinosaurs lived in different habitats, continents or time periods.

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#34: Apr 12th 2014 at 10:32:08 PM

NVM

edited 12th Apr '14 10:32:36 PM by Lakija

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Spinosegnosaurus77 Mweheheh from Ontario, Canada Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend
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#36: Apr 13th 2014 at 3:33:04 AM

[up][up][up]Except there's more to the habitats and time periods than just the wildlife that lived there and then. Same with biomes today.

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#38: Apr 24th 2014 at 8:35:33 AM

Artistic License: Prehistory is more broad, so in my own opinion that'd be better to go with if we don't want subtropes popping up like "Artistic License: Prehistoric Life: Dinosaurs" and whatnot.

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#39: Apr 24th 2014 at 9:14:56 AM

This sounds like a case for a crowner.

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#40: Apr 24th 2014 at 9:46:02 AM

Paleontology deals specifically with the animals and plants of previous geologic periods. I don't see what the problem with Artistic License – Paleontology or Artistic License Prehistoric Life is.

edited 24th Apr '14 9:47:04 AM by Madrugada

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#41: Apr 24th 2014 at 9:56:16 AM

Crowner sounds good. I'm happy with pretty much any of the suggestions. I gave mine for brevity, not disagreement. I maintain that the current description covers incorrect habitats and timeperiods, and I haven't seen anyone provide an example that wouldn't work under any name.

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Spinosegnosaurus77 Mweheheh from Ontario, Canada Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend
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#42: Apr 24th 2014 at 12:22:49 PM

[up]You're correct in that the trope covers dinosaurs in the wrong time and/or place, but there's more to habitats and time periods than just dinosaurs (or other animals or even plants).

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crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#43: Apr 24th 2014 at 1:37:13 PM

It seems really weird to read that post because it looks like you're agreeing with my premise, and trying to point out a semantics error at the same time.

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Spinosegnosaurus77 Mweheheh from Ontario, Canada Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend
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#44: Apr 24th 2014 at 3:52:59 PM

[up]Serious question: how would you have conveyed the same thought?

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#45: May 19th 2014 at 3:57:56 AM

[up][up] You know semantics means sentence structure and collective lexical figurations, right? Because that rebuttal made no sense.

[tup] voting up Artistic License Prehistoric Life with Artistic License Prehistory and Artistic License Palaeontology (or Artistic License – Paleontology) as redirects, until when/if those are made separate tropes: i.e. Prehistory includes the early atmosphere of the Earth, any period of history before written records were apparent in that area (technically, some places are still prehistoric), and things like the geology which has changed - in the past 100 years, let alone 100 million (or 65, 35, going through the various -assic periods)!

EDIT: Given Prehistoric Life would include, er, many Amazonians and other non- dinosaur/cavemen civilisations could it be Ancient Prehistoric Life?

edited 19th May '14 4:03:02 AM by lakingsif

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crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#46: May 19th 2014 at 4:36:42 AM

That's because I didn't see anything to refute: the post said how "habitat" means more than just the plants and animals in a time/place.

I agree. It covers the shape of the land, the weather, the air content, the temperature, the stability of nearby volcanoes. In short, habitat covers everything about prehistory that relates to prehistoric life but isn't alive itself. It is even relevant when discussing how life first arose on this planet.

Semantically, the post appeared to be supporting my denotative arguments, so there was no rebuttal needed. I merely posted that I recognized support for my position, in case they had done it accidentally. I like arguing semantics, but I'm perfectly happy to surrender.

Ancient versus non-ancient: I feel the connotative meaning of "prehistory" is sufficient clarity (Lies to Children say that prehistoric means ancient), and I was already arguing for the most concise possible term.

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Spinosegnosaurus77 Mweheheh from Ontario, Canada Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend
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#47: May 19th 2014 at 4:52:49 AM

[up] Hmm… does the trope even have examples that specifically relate only to non-living things?

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crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#48: May 27th 2014 at 9:09:45 AM

No, the examples are limited solely to "Artistic License - Dinosaurs". If it doesn't relate to dinos, it isn't on the page.

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Spinosegnosaurus77 Mweheheh from Ontario, Canada Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend
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#49: May 27th 2014 at 9:41:06 AM

[up] Not all prehistoric animals are dinosaurs, though, and some examples (such as the entry on Meg) have little or nothing to do with actual dinosaurs while still relating to prehistoric life.

edited 27th May '14 9:41:38 AM by Spinosegnosaurus77

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crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#50: May 27th 2014 at 9:58:28 AM

Meg has Example Indentation issues, but there's five examples.

  • T. rex
    • Pliosaurs
      • kronosaurs
      • Mosasaurs
    • Dinosaurs era

Again, every single example is about dinosaurs.

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24th Apr '14 2:51:54 PM

Crown Description:

Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the title will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative titles.

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