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Rethkir A Trusted Friend in Science and Ponies from the gap between dimensions Since: Mar, 2013
#1: Sep 16th 2013 at 4:23:25 PM

First off, this is not a suggestion for an image, but an idea.

Many trope pages are either not in Image Source, or Image Source may list a trope in an incorrect work if it had previously been removed or changed. I've been thinking that one solution to this problem is to index the Image Source sub-pages. Therefore, if a page with an image is not in the index, it is easy to see, and therefore, easy to correct. This could also help identify if the trope is indexed in the wrong work if the namespace is incorrect or if the adjacent pages in the index don't match. This is also very easy to implement. Does anyone else think that this is a good idea?

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m8e from Sweden Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
#2: Sep 16th 2013 at 6:17:45 PM

I have though of that too.

An alternative could be if Eddie(or someone else?) made an inverted version of needs image("have image") that then could be compared to the Image Source pages. Then we at least would get a list of trope pages with images that isn't in the Image Source pages.(But that would miss pages that are sourced wrong, and pages that's not tropes.)

Rethkir A Trusted Friend in Science and Ponies from the gap between dimensions Since: Mar, 2013
#3: Sep 17th 2013 at 4:03:19 PM

Index seems much easier and more effective. Any other thoughts on this idea? I was hoping that this would have had more attention.

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XFllo There is no Planet B from Planet A Since: Aug, 2012
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#4: Sep 17th 2013 at 4:55:56 PM

This thread should be probably moved to Tech wish list.

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Rethkir A Trusted Friend in Science and Ponies from the gap between dimensions Since: Mar, 2013
#6: Sep 19th 2013 at 2:13:33 PM

This isn't really a tech wishlist thing. An index is easy to implement. The thread should also be retitled to "Image Source Index."

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#7: Sep 19th 2013 at 2:27:43 PM

An index of all unpictured tropes? That looks really long.

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m8e from Sweden Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
#8: Sep 20th 2013 at 7:56:00 AM

[up]We already have a list of all unpictured tropes.

What Rethkir suggests is 19 indexes of all pages with a sourced image. If you go to Blade Reflection you would see that it's indexed in ImageSource.Anime And Manga in the index list, if you go to The World Is Always Doomed and scroll down to the index list you see that it's not sourced, on Uncle Pennybags you would see that it's sourced to ImageSource.Western Animation instead of ImageSource.Tabletop Games.

edited 20th Sep '13 7:57:33 AM by m8e

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#9: Sep 20th 2013 at 8:36:12 AM

That is a tool though. You are talking about a wiki index.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Rethkir A Trusted Friend in Science and Ponies from the gap between dimensions Since: Mar, 2013
#10: Sep 20th 2013 at 12:03:51 PM

[up][up] Unless it wasn't on the page, in which case, we would be notified, and then correct it, which is why I'm proposing this.

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Rethkir A Trusted Friend in Science and Ponies from the gap between dimensions Since: Mar, 2013
#11: Sep 22nd 2013 at 11:26:56 AM

I think I'll implement this soon, but first, any objections?

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Rethkir A Trusted Friend in Science and Ponies from the gap between dimensions Since: Mar, 2013
#12: Sep 24th 2013 at 7:59:54 PM

Since I haven't seen any objections in four days, I'm going ahead implementing the indexes. This is mostly an experiment to see how effective this is at helping maintain the Image Source pages. If anyone has an issue with this, just let me know. These indexes can be removed just as easily as they are added.

Edit: Well, testing out the index, it's working very nicely. I've gone through the Image Pickin' Morgue and saw that Hiroshima as a Unit of Measure was not in an index, alerting me to add it, and Knight of Cerebus was in ImageSource.Western Animation, and Vain Sorceress was in Image Source.Literature, alerting me to remove them. This seems to make managing the Image Source much more convenient since it doesn't require leaving the page that you're on.

edited 24th Sep '13 8:20:28 PM by Rethkir

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EarlOfSandvich Since: Jun, 2011
#13: Sep 24th 2013 at 10:53:09 PM

I really should have spoken up about this earlier, but we shouldn't index the works/tropes listed here. If anything, indexing should be left to subtropes, tropes fit into a category, how a work is categorized, when a trope/work becomes too big to keep in one piece or as part of an effort to namespace/source things. As it is, the proposed indexes fit into none of these.

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MorganWick (Elder Troper)
#14: Sep 25th 2013 at 1:37:42 PM

And I've been worried this whole time about seeing those indexes cluttering up the bottom of every page but was waiting for someone else to say something, anything, about it first. Djdjdfjufidfjcfnjffjxjnc

[down]Those aren't on damn near every single page, though.

edited 25th Sep '13 2:00:42 PM by MorganWick

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#15: Sep 25th 2013 at 1:54:05 PM

We do have indexes like Tropes Needing Examples, though.

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Rethkir A Trusted Friend in Science and Ponies from the gap between dimensions Since: Mar, 2013
#16: Sep 25th 2013 at 2:03:34 PM

It only clutters pages with multiple sources, such as Human Alien. From what I've seen, it's an effective tool. I'm not sure how we could use code to achieve the same effect without indexing, but that would be neat. I understand the cons, but there is a benefit as well.

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StFan Since: Jan, 2001
#17: Oct 10th 2013 at 4:16:44 AM

I was partial to this change at first, but I must say, it makes for a way quicker check if a picture is sourced or not (not longer I need to check the "related to" section). So it's a quite useful tool to bring more sources to the list.

Rethkir A Trusted Friend in Science and Ponies from the gap between dimensions Since: Mar, 2013
#18: Jan 15th 2014 at 7:00:10 PM

Hey, this has been settled for some time. Can we close this?

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Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#19: Jan 15th 2014 at 7:48:57 PM

Yeah, this is ready to go away; thanks for bringing it up.

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