Can I assume that we'll leave the name The Messiah to its misuse? It doesn't seem like we already have a trope that covers it, and someone's gone to the trouble of making a Laconic and indexing it based on said misuse...
You can be a messiah without echoing Christ, though, can't you?
You can. If we were doing this from the beginning I'd have The Messiah and Messianic Archetype be for a messiah character and Christ Archetype be for Christ-like characters but sadly the early wiki was not the best at names.
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Looks like we have enough of a consensus now. Here's Alternative Titles now
. I put in some of the suggestions that have been put forth in this thread.
Love Hero really feels like "Hero who uses The Power of Love" to me.
What Discar said about Love Hero. Voting for All Encompassing Love.
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No, the other one.
What about something like All-Loving Hero?
As a side note, the redirect is Messianic Personality. How does that work?
edited 23rd Apr '13 2:25:58 PM by AnotherDuck
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Any mention of Messiah with this trope is misleading and should be redirected somewhere else.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
No, the other one.
I think Messianic Personality might be seen as someone who's self-sacrificing, which is close enough for confusion, but not on target.
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Both of these look like something different. I am not even sure we should repoint it to Messianic Archetype; that page is very Christ-centric.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanOr delete the redirect. Messianic Personality have 0 inbounds and 0 links.
Trans Siberian Anarchestra (it/they)
Ha, good point.
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I never asked for this
Is there a trope for the definition that everyone THINKS messiah means (IE: protagonist who rises to save everyone)
I wandered into "Idiot Hero" and was horrified by all the incorrect potholing to this trope, but have no idea what to redirect the potholes to. The suggested-on-The Messiah Messianic Archetype seems to imply both a symbolic but extremely meaningful leadership position (which fits the potholes...) and mandatory suffering on the part of the character for the sake of others (which doesn't match all the potholes), and while all hero's suffer from conflict and sometimes loss of loved ones its not the "Nailed to a cross"/Heroic Sacrifice suffering the description in Messianic Archetype seemed to claim had to be present for the trope to apply (even if the character matched the first half).
A Protagonist Shall Lead Them seems to be when he gains a formal position of power as the leader, not when he simply leads the forces of good in spirit.
If no such trope exists for Protagonist-who-leads-the-goodguys-with-the-inspiration-he provides-them-character then I'm going to throw out the (admittedly insane) suggestion that we morph the current The Messiah trope into that very definition so all these incorrect potholes (and they dwarf the correct usage of the trope) are suddenly true, then give the actual trope regarding unconditional-love-for-everyone-character its own page as "love hero" or whatever name gets voted on in the poll.
(I'm somewhat new to TRS so I don't know if that plan is too crazy or not)
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About the "Protagonist-who-leads-the-goodguys-with-the-inspiration-he provides-them-character", i guess it is Magnetic Hero.
edited 1st May '13 5:53:56 PM by MagBas
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from the description it sounds as if the Hope Bringer must arrive during the darkest hour. One of the most common incorrect wicks to The Messiah I've seen is Naruto from Naruto, who (To my knowledge, I haven't seen the show in years) was already major player before stuff hit the fan and all the "darkest hour" themes began.
edited 3rd May '13 5:49:45 AM by salmonpunch
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crowner snapshot (yea/nay):
- All Encompassing Love: 6-2
- Loves Everyone: 1-0
- Love Hero: 2-5
Loves Everyone sounds a bit like Really Gets Around 
No, the other one.
I added All-Loving Hero. I thought I had added it before, but I guess I messed up. Late, I know, but the crowner is kinda slow. No one mentioned anything about it, but I wonder what the lurkers think.
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I think All Encompassing Love is more broad than All-Loving Hero.
You do make a good point. I think Love Hero is probably the best name in contrast to things like Guile Hero and Science Hero. All Encompassing Love just sounds like it's about any kind of smothering love. It's more My Beloved Smother than a Hero that loves everyone and that's why they're a hero.
edited 11th May '13 1:25:33 PM by shimaspawn
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No, the other one.
That's kind of what I was thinking. It's broader, but maybe too broad.
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Crown Description:
Crowner snapshot!
Rename has an 11-1 lead.
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