Wick Cleanup: Killed Off For Real

YKTTW is up. Description is crap, as usual, but it will serve for the moment.

Doesn't look like a bad description to me. Remember the hierarchy is clear->concise->witty.

Also suggested another example, though I imagine searching through the Anyone Can Die entries would bring up a buttload more examples given the misuse that spawned this thread.

Fighteer, are you keeping an eye on the Character Death YKTTW, or is that up for grabs? Because it's pretty much done, just needs a little tweaking.

Also need some help help with the Absurdly High Bodycount YKTTW. Got a couple people who missed the point of difference between Anyone Can Die and this.

It looks like they are understanding it now.

I said that launching the YKTTW was Up For Grabs. Go for it.

Character Death is launched, and I've added some wicks from trope descriptions. Killed Off for Real wick cleanup is another matter. Do we make a Projects thread for it (or move this there) or leave this here?

edited 30th Mar '13 1:30:26 PM by Telcontar

I would move it to short term projects. But I don't know what the pluses or minuses are exactly, but it seems to me that tropers take the projects quite seriously and keep contributing.

I figure this trope, like Killed Off for Real before it, will be prone to generate a great deal of ZCE, especially in character pages. (thing is, it's sometimes redudant / already covered by other death tropes) I missed the YTTW, but I think it's ok if I add a line about it in the description of Character Death.

"As with any other trope, don't assume a death is self explanatory, please provide context and be descriptive when writing examples on a work's page."

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edited 4th Apr '13 11:56:05 AM by TrollBrutal

Yeah, add that in.

edited 4th Apr '13 8:10:10 AM by ScoutsGirlfriend

I noticed people very often confuse Anyone Can Die and Killed Off for Real. An example I corrected yesterday is Mufasa from The Lion King. Although it's hard to tell when you're not familiar with the work, namely the genre or how prominent the character was.

edited 4th Apr '13 2:36:09 PM by XFllo

Though Mufasa isn't Anyone Can Die either... :)

Isn't it? Character Death then? I thought Anyone Can Die is for when a character dies unexpectedly and it crushes the audiences hearts. Mufasa seems to me to be a fit. —> heading to read the trope description

EDIT: I stand corrected. No multiple deaths in The Lion King. Thanks.

edited 4th Apr '13 6:19:40 PM by XFllo

No, Anyone Can Die is when main characters die. That's it. There is the implication that lots of other characters are dying too, but the key point is main characters.

Yeah, usually the general assumption is that main characters have Plot Armor.

These Death Tropes are going to be the death of me. I'm no longer sure I can participate in this clean-up.

So, you remove twice* Killed Off for Real from a work providing a succinct explanation about why it doesn't apply and pointing to Character Death... people don't give "a rat's arse" and add it again... what's the procedure then?

• 10th and 21st March.

edited 7th Apr '13 5:33:11 PM by TrollBrutal

PM them and explain politely that the trope doesn't apply, pointing them here. Possibly suggest re-reading definitions, which is not a big deal when the trope is in TRS and new trope was created for the situation. Also remind them that it's a good idea to read edit reasons in the history when tropes are being removed.

I can tell you a couple pages that really stuck out for me in terms of misusing Killed Off for Real.

• Revolution: The trope doesn't really apply to that one, because no character in the series has been brought back to life once they're killed off. In other words, All Deaths Final is standard, similar to Real Life.
• Avengers Vs X-Men: Professor Xavier killed off for real? Ah, no-no-no! These are comic books, remember? Death Is Cheap in that medium, and there's no reason to think that he won't come back eventually. Also, the Phoenix Force killed off for real? First off, it's a cosmic entity, which means that killing it off (let alone for real) is close to impossible. And it has "Phoenix" in its name. You know, the fiery bird that comes back no matter how many times it dies?

I removed Killed Off For Real from the Revolution page. I'm curious to find out your thoughts on Avengers Vs X-Men.

Despite the fact that, let's face it, we KNOW Xavier is going to come back, he's currently being presented as Killed Off for Real. Basic pattern recognition dictates that they'll come back, but just in case this one actually sticks it should stay.

After all, the point of the trope is a permanent death in a work where Death Is Cheap. If we ignore instances where we assume they'll come back eventually, it seems like it undermines the point of the trope, you know?

How's the clean-up going? I sometimes purge Killed Off for Real from pages when I ran into it, mostly on character sheets of shows that I know for sure are not sci-fi, fantasy or similar. But no focused effort from me, unfortunately.

edited 2nd May '13 2:06:48 PM by XFllo

Yeah, I'm 99% sure that they're coming back, but until they do or until it's been hinted they'll come back, the Avs X counts.

Also, is there any particular reason Plotline Death is a separate trope?

Plotline Death is a video game trope. The old question of "Why didn't they use a phoenix down on Aeris?" It's not quite Killed Off for Real, it's a mix of Gameplay and Story Segregation and that trope.

Also, the Once Upon a Time character pages are pretty bad about misusing KOFR, plus lots of ZCE's. I'm gonna get to that whole mess Saturday or so.

Or the old saw of why nobody ever gets resurrection used on them in D&D novels. Fair enough.

I've been having trouble keeping this trope off of Characters.Game of Thrones Independent Characters.