The Scrappy Cleanup

Yes, I think that can be cut. There's a part of the description for The Scrappy mentioning that Scrappies have to be hated by fans — characters such as Barney are explicitly labeled as non-Scrappies, since it's not the target audience of the series that hates the characters, but a Periphery Hatedom. (The description also states that characters from overall negatively-received works usually don't count, either.)

I agree that he sounds more like a Base-Breaking Character as well.

I agree with listing Jar Jar Binks as a historical example for the reasons stated, and possibly Scrappy Doo as well, given he's the Trope Namer.

Any idea for how long a character needs to be a scrappy to be considered historic? For example Chris Thorndyke from Sonic X is still listed as a script despite gaining some fans from Season 3 and nostalgic fans

Edited by Mariofan99 on Apr 25th 2024 at 6:20:23 AM

I've argued 5 years, (based on wait for Character Perception Evolution) before rescuing so as to leave adequate mark in the fandom. But it keeps getting ignored and I keep herding it's a question for here. Any arguments for other waits?

Also, how many of Chris's hater also otherwise liked Sonic X? If he even counts under that criteria may effect things.

Found these under Las Lindas:

• The Scrappy:
  • Mora herself is commonly despised due to a heaping dose of Protagonist-Centered Morality, doing nasty things to others but at the same time being made out a hero, particularly in the early days of the comic. She does manage to improve herself somewhat with time, but is still a Base-Breaking Character at best.
  • Rachael receives a disproportionate amount of hatred on the forum. Amusingly, she's one of the more popular characters outside the forum, making her a sort of Germans Love David Hasselhoff in an internet context.
  • Din and Jin for never getting any real commeupance and barely bringing anything interesting to the table in terms of character or conflict after their initial plan to kill Digit.

First two have clear problems. Mora being the main character makes me think this is not hate by those who otherwise like the work. Din and Jin might be valid but given the other problems, I'd want a second opinion on them (if nobody knows about them, I'd say cut as two obscure).

I remember a long time ago, Mighty No. 9 was brought up here and quite a few examples were cut from the game's entry, including Beck himself (Funnily enough he actually fit another audience reaction, just was overlooked on this thread). Still, some were left on the page.

The problem is though, I don't know if it's mostly the fans who hate these characters or if it's mainly the detractors. I mostly see them cited by critics as just more reasons to hate the game, but I might be wrong and it turns out the fans hate these characters too.

• The Scrappy:
  • Cryosphere is the least well-liked among the Mighty Numbers, due to her frustrating pattern, repetitive sound clips, and annoying voice. Her habit of constantly making ice-related puns has also drawn comparisons to the way Mr. Freeze was depicted in Batman & Robin. Likewise, her said repetitive sound clips have drawn unfavorable comparisons to Flame Hyenard from Mega Man X7.
  • Call's Machine Monotone, stealth-based gameplay, annoying sounds in gameplay, and having no personality to speak of didn't win her many fans.
  • Aviator has his share of detractors as well, thanks to his attempts at being funny falling flat on their face, having a stage with some tricky platforming, along with having an annoying voice. The fact that he regurgitates old memes does his audience appeal no favors.
  • Dr. Sanda is quite disliked for a similarly annoying voice and that most of his appearances is him overreacting to stuff that happens during the levels; his horrid screaming during Dynatron's level even has her tell him to shut up.

YMMV.Godzilla 1998

• The Scrappy:
  • Audrey. Given that her relationship with Nick already ended because she chose her career over marrying him, the fact that she proceeds to do so again by betraying the top secret information to the press, effectively ruining his career to further her own, means that the audience has no idea why Nick wants her back at the end of the film. It also doesn't help that she's poorly acted by Maria Pitillo. So much so that Maria won the Golden Raspberry Award for worst supporting actress. Audrey was also Demoted to Extra in the spinoff cartoon.
  • This version of Godzilla himself is pretty much the scrappy of the Godzilla fandom, first being referenced dismissively in a couple of Japanese Godzilla movies as a monster that the Americans mistook for Godzilla, before being given a brief appearance in Final Wars solely so he can be soundly trounced by the real Godzilla for the purpose of a Take That!. Starting with Final Wars he was officially renamed/demoted to "Zilla", supposedly for taking the "God" out of Godzilla as the director put it, and 2016's Shin Godzilla rubbed it in by having an American say Godzilla is truly "a god incarnate". His son and species did get Rescued from the Scrappy Heap in Godzilla: The Series, but this Godzilla himself still tends to be the butt of jokes.

I think Zilla more fits Memetic Loser more than this trope. It's not so much he's hated, just that he's a punchline for how Toho treats him, as well as the negative reception of the film.

Yeah, he does seem to fit Memetic Loser more, due to being mocked moreso than outright hated.

I say cut those example or move them if anything. More memoric loser if anything as said. And I don’t believe he was actually meant to be completely hated or when there are maybe some people who could like him.

Edited by Echidna on Apr 30th 2024 at 12:54:02 PM

I’m planning on writing up an entry for Zilla later.

reposting this so it doesn’t get buried

if hes not discussed that much he's probably not a scrappy

After the release of Persona 3 Reload, I've noticed a bit of hate for Maiko's parents. They both get hate for getting Maiko caught in the middle of their nasty divorce, refusing to explain to her why they're getting divorced, and despite their situation, they're still living together for months and continuing to expose Maiko to their toxicity. Individually, Maiko's father slaps her after asking why they're getting divorced, and in the epilogue, he will either accuse the male protagonist of grooming her based on a one-sided Precocious Crush, or he will flirt with the female protagonist. As for her mother, she victim blames her for getting slapped. While they get called out for their toxicity, it took Maiko running away from home for them to learn what was ultimately a Captain Obvious Aesop.

Is the hate for this character widespread or is it just a vocal minority?

I'd say it's more of a case of Character Perception Evolution, so I guess not.

One question: can a character be a scrappy and a Americans Hate Tingle at the same time?

Scrappy is more universal, in that most of the fandom or audience dislikes them. Americans Hate Tingle is about a specific audience (like a different country) hating the character, but that doesn’t necessarily mean everyone hates the character.

x2 No, the two are supposed to be mutually exclusive.

”Mutually exclusive” how? I’m not sure I understand.

a character can't be hated by "everyone" if they're popular in different countries. if Scrappy Mc Bingle is hated in the States yet loved overseas then they can't be a full-on scrappy.

Edited by worldwidewoomy on May 3rd 2024 at 10:54:44 AM

Okay that makes more sense. Thanks. I was asking because I came across the Persona 5 YMMV and found this:

Even by the standards of Americans Hate Tingle, the Shinjuku Creatures NPC duo that the player encounters in Shinjuku and the beach are utterly reviled. While the jokes about Kanji's sexuality in Persona 4 were polarizing, many players loathed the pair for being unfunny stereotypes who prey on minors, especially in their beach scene. It's even more jarring due to Atlus' previous experiences with non-stereotypical LGBT portrayal (Kanji and Persona 2's Jun, an openly gay party member who was also a romance option, as well as Erica, a non-stereotypical trans woman), the pair come across as a glaring step back. The hatred for these two even extended outside of the game's fanbase, and they were considered so offensive that when Royal came around, they were practically removed for western localizations. What truly pushes them to this trope is that even in Japan, a country that doesn't even bat an eye at media making teasing jokes at LGBTQ+ people, they aren't seen as all that great, with some LGBTQ+ people and even standard Japanese gamers there voicing their open dislike for the pair. They are so disliked by the fans that many fanworks that adapt the game prefer to remove any mentions of the NPC Duo entirely.

Granted I’m well aware that the gay duo are not well-liked in the fandom but they also have an entry under Americans Hate Tingle too so I don’t know if they should stay as The Scrappy or Americans Hate Tingle.

Edited by Superdude96 on May 3rd 2024 at 8:58:56 AM

This was recently added to the Scrappy Mechanic section on Helldivers II's YMMV page:

"Outside of the actual gameplay, the announcement the game would require a Playstation Network account to play even on the PC version, which lacked the requirement beforehand, was met with effectively open revolt by the playerbase. Many pointed out Sony's history of being hacked and having personal information on their accounts stolen and were weary about needing to provide that information to them, while others simply complained about how ridiculous it was to need a Playstation account even if you weren't playing it on a Playstation. The real kicker though is certain countries, such as the Philippines, can't actually make Playstation Network accounts, effectively rendering the game that many players from those territories had put hours into completely unplayable without a VPN."

First off, I hesitate to even call this a mechanic. Second, this feels weirdly written in a way like it's a shoehorned way-too-early Overshadowed by Controversy example put on a different trope. Third, the more I look into this issue the less it seems like a legitimate "Scrappy" problem and more like a mild speed bump that will blow over and be forgotten in a week.

Edit:looks like someone changed it to They Changed It, Now It Sucks!, which is a better fit for now, I suppose.

Edited by ReginaldOgron5 on May 4th 2024 at 7:25:31 AM

That sounds like a knee-jerk reaction. We should wait until the account requirement actually gets added (or gets cancelled) before troping it.