The Scrappy Cleanup

I mean, keep in mind that the definition of "wasted character" people like to use is different from the actual trope.

I was assuming it was a funny character with a lack of screentime in this incarnation. But if it's an adaptation complaint that's different.

From TheScrappy.Anime And Manga

Death Note: Kiyomi Takada. Whenever fans talk about her, it's either that she was a informed intelligent fool who easily fell for Light's charms or a stuck up jerk, particularly on how she treated Misa. She even gets plenty of flak from fangirls who swore to exact their revenge on her for killing Mello - though it's hard to imagine a worse fate for her than the one that actually transpired.

• Near is also a Scrappy, More specifically, he's a Replacement Scrappy who is seen as a less interesting copy of L

From what I can find online, Takada is pretty hated (albeit, the last part of the entry reads more like Die for Our Ship) but Near is a Base-Breaking Character with some fans.

Edited by LarryT on Mar 15th 2024 at 12:51:11 PM

on YMMV.Magical Girl Site:

• The Scrappy:
  • Readers hated Sarina for her cruel bullying towards Aya, her hypocritical attitude, and for having a very petty reason for torturing Aya. Many readers cheered when Nana killed her, only to groan in annoyance when Alice undid her death. While you can argue she was meant to be a Hate Sink at first, most of it comes from her being incredibly one-dimensional.

...this is right underneath a Rescued from the Scrappy Heap entry detailing Sarina's redemption. (the fucked up indentation is an issue too but not what i came here for). permission to snip?

Edited by worldwidewoomy on Mar 16th 2024 at 10:59:45 AM

Snip.

snipped.

I found this on YMMV.Marvel Anime Wolverine:

• The Scrappy: This version of Logan/Wolverine was not very well received by fans, particularly for his Pretty Boy design. Likewise, his voice acting from Milo Ventimiglia was also not appreciated. Many fans lamented that Steve Blum, the man famous for voicing Wolverine in numerous Marvel media, was not approached for the role and instead used to voice another character, who happened to be his rival, no less. The creators seem to notice this too, as they would later hire Blum to voice the very same role by the time the X-Men anime was made, complete with the appropriate character design for Wolverine.

I have never seen this but it could count. It could use a rewrite because as written it looks more like Questionable Casting.

Edited by Bullman on Mar 22nd 2024 at 12:39:05 PM

I did some research and I found that the series as a whole is pretty hated mainly due to They Changed It, Now It Sucks! purposes. IDK if that’s enough for him to be considered a scrappy.

Also any thoughts on this?

Edited by LarryT on Mar 22nd 2024 at 4:29:27 AM

Kiyomi sounds more like Die for Our Ship and and I've seen no notable hate for the unintentional things. But am not sure.

Near, definitely cut as a BBC and covered by Replacement Scrappy (as not hated by his own merits).

And cut Wolverine as Scrappy needs to be hated by those who otherwise like the work and consistently hated, not just hated portrayals of otherwise popular characters.

Nah, everyone hated Kiyomi when Death Note was hugely popular, mostly for her shilled informed intelligence (she's supposed to be a Light-tier mastermind but he effortlessly manipulates her), though some hate was from Misa fans for Die for Our Ship and a lot of hate came from killing Mello (and Matt by proxy).

Near is Base Breaking for Replacement reasons. Mello is too, but he has far more fans than Near.

Edited by PhiSat on Mar 25th 2024 at 3:34:15 AM

Yeah, I say keep Kiyomi

From Miraculous Ladybug:

• Replacement Scrappy: Zoé Lee is seen as this by Chloé fans, and even some fans who otherwise are neutral towards/dislike Chloé. This is largely due to the fact that the writers have yet to develop her much outside of being "Chloé's complete antithesis/nicer replacement", down to her being a Superior Successor Bee Miraculous wielder (which also angered fans who wished it would be given to an already established character).

1. I know Replacement Scrappy has a lower threshold than The Scrappy, but I am not convinced that "Chloe fans + some other fans" is a significant enough sample size to determine Scrappy-hood, especially since there are plenty of fans who like Zoe.
2. The phrase "the writers have yet to develop her" suggests that this entry was added before the character development she received in season 5.
3. The only way in which she replaces Chloe is in becoming the new holder of the Bee Miraculous. Otherwise, Chloe continues to have a larger role than Zoe does.

Needless to say, I recommend that this entry be cut.

Edited by StrixObscuro on Mar 27th 2024 at 2:47:22 PM

Agreed. Also, can I ask a question: can pre-school programs have scrappies?

PAW Patrol is a example of a preschool show that has scrappies.

I guess it depends on how heavily we weigh the opinions of the target demographic when it comes to specific character opinions.

How many of the examples on TheScrappy.Battle For Dream Island are valid?

• Donut is Rescued from the Scrappy Heap in BFB, having been given positive moments
• Snowball seems to get better in TPOT, specifically defending a clearly unwell Teardrop from other teams during the balance beam challenge. Also, the fact that he's a jerk in BFDI means that he is intended to be hated
• For Woody, while him being a coward in BFDI wasn't very entertaining, I think the only "deadly prank" he did was crushing Firey and Leafy with the announcer crusher.
• TV's entry is barebones, as is Foldy's

Also, I noticed that David was removed. I think he's a stronger case for the trope than any of the above mentioned characters

David easily could count as a Scrappy (given how one-note he is and how fast he was kicked out of the show). Woody’s debatable since he only had one personality trait for half of a decade, but he’s definitely not a scrappy in BFB. And I agree, Snowball has always been written as a Jerk Jock-type character.

Edited by CanuckMcDuck1 on Mar 28th 2024 at 3:53:18 AM

Remind me how do separate versions of the same character work? Because I'm wondering if the Conquest version of Corrin is viable since even those who like Conquest mainly for the gameplay have a low opinion of the story and Corrin in particular is a sore spot for many.

And on the topic of protagonists even fans of the work hate, do Fanboy and Chum Chum count since the show does seem to have a following and isn't as bad as stuff like Breadwinners or that Henry Danger cartoon but even then the titular characters are usually seen as the worst part.

Corrin consistently ranks high on popularity polls, and there's no indication that the vast majority of Japanese fans hate Corrin, even the "Conquest version."

Edited by dragonfire5000 on Mar 31st 2024 at 9:35:57 AM

Question: How does one find evidence if the Japanese fanbase hates this character? Or any other anime characters for that matter? I was told that due to a cultural divide, Japanese fans that dislikes a thing tends to be less vocal about it compared to the Western fanbase.

Edited by Superdude96 on Mar 31st 2024 at 5:05:03 AM

Ranking low on popularity polls, lack of fanart and lack of merchandise come to mind.

Ranking low on popularity polls wouldn't actually be an indication of Scrappyhood, since popularity polls usually ask which character you like the most and don't take how much you like the other characters into account. A character who ranks low on a popularity poll just has very few people who like them the most out of all the other characters.

As mentioned several times in this thread, popularity polls are good at telling people who isn't a Scrappy, but not good at telling you who is one.

Though ranking low on popularity polls isn't an issue in this case, as Corrin has pretty much consistently ranked pretty high on popularity polls even years after Fates was released. Even Male Corrin, the supposed less popular of the two Corrins, still ranks decently high.

Edited by dragonfire5000 on Mar 31st 2024 at 6:57:31 AM

What about my question from earlier?

“Question: How does one find evidence if the Japanese fanbase hates this character? Or any other anime characters for that matter? I was told that due to a cultural divide, Japanese fans that dislikes a thing tends to be less vocal about it compared to the Western fanbase.”

Also agreed with the popular poll statement; being the least popular character =/= the most hated.

Edited by Superdude96 on Mar 31st 2024 at 5:04:51 AM

I guess those who are fluent in Japanese can confirm if there's hateful posts on Japanese fora about a character, or perhaps if their local audiences react differently, the show will adjust accordingly. Honestly I think sometimes if the American fandom is already more prominent in fan spaces, seeking out the home audience's opinion might be unnecessary unless it's clear home audiences actively like the character.

Re: Fanboy and Chum Chum: I don't think fans of the show loathe the title characters enough to be Scrappies (otherwise it'd be damn hard to sit through, I imagine), they just prefer watching it for the Ensemble Darkhorses.

Fair enough but still all versions of Corrin tend to be lumped together so for all we know it's the Birthright version people tend to favor but I guess as mentioned it's harder to gauge popularity in Japan. Still from the spaces I've seen, Conquest Corrin really gets a lot of flak for their actions and almost every critique of Conquest's story mentions either them, Xander, or Garon as the worst parts.