The Scrappy Cleanup

I deleted the Wendy entry, as well as the more broad ones. Being a fan of the show, I don't think any of the characters are supposed to be a Hate Sink, since most of their horrible actions are played for laughs.

edited 31st Mar '15 5:10:12 PM by chasemaddigan

Well, is the hate about wanting the characters away from the show, or wanting them to die but acknowledging their place in the story?

Somebody listed Timon and Pumbaa as The Scrappy here. Yes, Timon and Pumbaa. It wasn't run through this thread first, so I've just gone ahead and zapped it.

No, people, being the comic relief character in a cartoon doesn't automatically mean you're The Scrappy.

edited 12th Apr '15 5:12:36 AM by WackyPancake

I'm pretty sure they're too heavily popular for the trope to legitimately apply.

That said, of course some find them annoying. Nothing strange about that, honestly. Yeah, good idea to zap 'em. They have too many fans for that to work.

I removed Lisa Simpson on the account that she is listed under Base Breaker on the The Simpsons page.

Note that Base Breaker entries are not necessarily more accurate than The Scrappy entries.

Sorry, should I put them back?

Do the vast majority of people hate her and want her gone from the show? I kind of think not, although I'm not familiar with the fandom.

Base Breaker probably also need a lot of cleanup, considering there's not supposed to be any signifiant amount of people who're more or less indifferent. Often I find it's used where a character has people who dislike her and people who like her with no real regard for the amount of people.

This example is listed in Caillou:

• The Scrappy: Caillou to many a parent.

Opinions?

In all honesty though, I do think Lisa doesn't count as a Scrappy. Some of her episodes are some of the most beloved in the series (Lisa's Wedding, Lisa's Substitute). It's not her that the fans hate, it's just the Flanderized version in recent years. Lesson learned though, I'll bring up any future examples here before I cut them willy-nilly.

Listing parents as the ones who see a character as The Scrappy in a Western Animation show by PBS Kids? Kind of think they go in Periphery Demographic, and probably not the majority of the audience.

Derp, forgot to link that one.

edited 16th Apr '15 5:01:43 AM by AnotherDuck

Sounds like Periphery Hatedom to me (which is Flame Bait).

A lot of the entries on the amiibo page are meta examples (scalpers, reddit threads, Nintendo themselves), which I'm sure is not okay. Thoughts?

Removed. Those are not allowed. One of them was also a stealth-meta example, claiming to be about certain figures, but went on to complain about the stores themselves.

The Scrappy entries in YMMV.Rozen Maiden lack any context, and it looks like every main character is listed there. Not familiar with the series, though, so I don't know which ones are legit.

Could've sworn I looked at that page before and didn't find nearly as many entries. Well, that was a few years ago.

Looking at the history, I find it a bit funny that someone changed Ensemble Dark Horse to Fan Favourite, and then the examples were cut because the trope has been cut.

Anyway, about the actual examples, Shinku, Suigintou, and Suiseiseki have a lot of fans. They're also not Base Breakers. Jun isn't that directly impopular either. Rozen I'm less sure about, but I do believe most people don't have a strong opinion about him. Megu I'm unsure about, but I've never seen any widespread hatedom about her.

Hinaichigo and Kanaria might qualify, although I'm still not sure. I'd personally cut everyone else and maybe those two as well, but more thoughts on that is wanted.

Also, the Alas, Poor Scrappy entry is terribly written, as it just speaks about the reader (which is not allowed) without actually saying anything about any actual example (which means no context).

For the Ensemble Dark Horse entry, it's probably because those characters were main characters.

I find that depends on how loosely you define "main characters".

She certainly isn't one of the two protagonists, she is a member of the ensemble cast. You could compare her to say one of the lesser Sailor Scouts to Sailor Moon in Sailor Moon.

Also I call BS on Suiseiseki being The Scrappy or even Base Breaker, she is the one reason why people watch the show.

edited 18th Apr '15 9:39:39 PM by Memers

Well, I only watched one or two episodes, and those two characters were featured a lot, so I assumed they were a part of the central cast. Isn't Suigintou the main villain of the first season or something?

Yes, but not the villain of the series, and the amount of focus she gets is still far less than Jun and Shinku.

"Featured a lot" doesn't say a lot when it's only from one or two episodes. It's sometimes accurate if it's the first and last episodes, as those generally focus more on the mainest characters than on the rest in an ensemble cast.

Hey. There's one character I've been wondering about whether or not they fit the label of a Scrappy, so I want to bring them up to see what the rest of you think.

The character in question is Ronald Shiner from Dead Rising. Ronald's one of the survivors in the game, and while most survivors don't really evoke strong feelings one way or the other, R Onald's the only survivor that I've seen multiple people, including FAQ writers, respond to with outright hatred.

First off, he spawns during a hectic part of the game when you have many scoops to take care of at once. Second, you have to give him food to get him to join you, and he has already eaten everything from the restaurant you find him in, so you either have to give him a healing item from your inventory or run to Colombian Roastmasters to grab him some Orange Juice. Finally, once he's safe, he'll try to start a mutiny later because he ate everything in the security room and wants more food, so you need to bring him some food again. However, if you leave the security room before giving it to him, then he leaves along with a bunch of other survivors, causing the game to read them as dead and screw you out of getting the Saint achievement.

I have seen a FAQ for getting the Saint achievement that suggests skipping out on Ronald if you have to miss anyone, and in Oatmeal Raisin's Let's Play, he calls Ronald "a truly hateable character". In a game where most of the survivors don't get talked about much, the fact that Ronald gets so much hate is actually rather surprising. I just want to know if that's enough for him to qualify for Scrappy status.

Well, as far as people hating him goes he seems to qualify. On the other hand, he does seem like he's written for people to hate, based on what you wrote there. On the other other hand, if people just actively skip him to not have to deal with him at all, he'd qualify anyway.

Hey guys, so Rutee is listed on the Tales of Destiny page as a Scrappy, but it's a no-context example. I'm familiar with the Tales fandom and I believe the reasons she was hated so much were because she was a Jerk with a Heart of Gold Tsundere with too much emphasis on the jerk part, too much story sympathy, and violent interactions with characters who didn't deserve it. I believe there was Die for Our Ship involved as well, but it's a pretty old game now and didn't really take off in North America so I can't find out if this was a really widely-held view or not. Should I remove the entry, or just add those reasons to the page?

Well, either of those is better than what is, but I can't say which way is more accurate. It seems likely it's a correct example, though, based on what you said, though.