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Prematurely launched pages and pages that weren't fully fleshed out at the point of launching, are a big problem. Since these usually share several problems at once, this thread is aimed at re-running them through the TLP for fixing - the usual fix - or cutting them if they are too bad.

Problems this thread deals with include bad names, not enough/bad examples, unclear description, etc.

For the interested, here's a list of recently created pages. Launches

Note: Please do not request a mod to unlaunch drafts that don't have any issues besides lacking a launch notice/24hr launch notice. While 24hr launch notices are mandatory, there are a few exceptions to the rule. If you see a draft's sponsor launch a TLP without an announcement, it's best to remind them of our TLP Guidelines first. If they continue to repeatedly launch drafts without a launch notice, you can report them on Ask The Tropers or the TLP Community Issues thread.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jun 24th 2023 at 12:24:55 PM

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#576: Jul 20th 2013 at 2:56:54 AM

OK, messaged the tropers, cutlisted the page and moved its content to a sandbox page.

I know how the URL works, btw.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#577: Jul 22nd 2013 at 12:47:13 AM

Another page: Main Damage Control. Mostly OK (crosswicking aside, but that's the second tier problem), but the launcher wanted to bring it to Damage Control.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#578: Jul 23rd 2013 at 6:44:28 AM

Self-Made Myth got launched after four days and one hat. Trope and most examples look legit, but I think it could've used a bit more discussion, both about its name and definition.

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Nocturna Since: May, 2011
#579: Jul 23rd 2013 at 12:37:06 PM

I agree. Unlaunch would be good.

maxwellsilver Since: Sep, 2011
#580: Jul 27th 2013 at 12:49:10 AM

MST.

For starters, it has a bad name. I'm still not sure how I stumbled across this one, but I do know I mistook it for an abbreviation of some sort of sexual tension trope, and without the 3k, it has no obvious connection to Mystery Science Theatre 3000, and it can't be called MS T3k. For another, its description is very long winded and is a bit confusing, and there is no YKTTW that I can see.

So, at the very least, rename it and use something that doesn't rely on MS T3k.

edited 27th Jul '13 12:53:06 AM by maxwellsilver

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#581: Jul 27th 2013 at 1:15:08 AM

That page has almost 980 inbounds. Not only isn't it a recently launched page, but it needs to go to TRS.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Nocturna Since: May, 2011
#582: Jul 27th 2013 at 1:32:52 AM

Yeah, something with 900+ inbounds and 300+ wicks is outside the purview of this thread. Also, I'll note that the page, based on the archived discussion, was probably started before YKTTW as we know it existed.

Telcontar In uffish thought from England Since: Feb, 2012
In uffish thought
#583: Jul 27th 2013 at 2:00:59 AM

Do Not Mess With Time. Created in March 2012 by someone who didn't know about YKTTW etc.. Can very safely be cut and not sent to YKTTW, since "universe implosion following time travel" can be covered under Reality-Breaking Paradox, Time Crash, and Temporal Paradox as appropriate.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#584: Jul 27th 2013 at 2:10:26 AM

The fact that you are citing three tropes at once makes me kind of question that.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Telcontar In uffish thought from England Since: Feb, 2012
In uffish thought
#585: Jul 27th 2013 at 2:34:25 AM

The fact that I'm citing three tropes at once means that I'm lazy and skimming their descriptions and therefore citing several to cover my bases. :P

Hm. I was misreading the Do Not Mess With Time page at first, it seems; the universe kills you specifically when you want to mess with it, not everyone. That sounds new. Related to what the Clock Roaches do, only roaches are not necessarily involved.

That was the amazing part. Things just keep going.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#586: Jul 27th 2013 at 2:40:07 AM

I guess that that fellow made the page because they didn't know of Clock Roaches.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Nocturna Since: May, 2011
#587: Jul 27th 2013 at 9:39:34 AM

I think that page might have come up before, with a vote for cutting. Also, I would say that if anyone wants to take it through YKTTW, then it's probably distinct from Clock Roaches, in that the Cloak Roaches may kill just you or everybody, and are some form of creature, whereas Do Not Mess With Time sounds like it would be some form of killing just the time traveler, which may or may not involve Clock Roaches.

edited 27th Jul '13 9:39:46 AM by Nocturna

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#588: Jul 28th 2013 at 12:19:38 PM

A new page: Creator.Uwe Boll. Reporting it as last time we tried to have a page on that, the admin said no.

To be fair, not having a page on him apparently never stopped any complaining about his works on the wiki, but it will need at least some locking.

edited 28th Jul '13 12:22:32 PM by SeptimusHeap

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StarValkyrie Since: Aug, 2012
#589: Jul 28th 2013 at 3:11:50 PM

Can this thread help Paranormal Investigation, or does that need TRS? It has a lot of examples but nearly all are zero context and one example even asks if it counts.

Nocturna Since: May, 2011
#590: Jul 28th 2013 at 9:20:35 PM

It seems it's some weird cross between a genre page (which would be legitimate, but which are usually a brief description and an index) and a trope, in which case I'd say it is redundant to Occult Detective.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#591: Jul 29th 2013 at 2:06:33 PM

Paranormal Investigation has been around since 2011.

As for Do Not Mess With Time, I guess we can ask teh creating troper if they want to pull it through YKTTW, and if no (or no response), just cutlist it.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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#592: Jul 31st 2013 at 10:39:40 AM

Evil Pervert is a stub with zero examples and no YKTTW. While I think there is merit to the concept of "character is a sexual pervert, thus they must be evil"/"if a character is a sexual pervert, expect them to turn out to be evil", I also think it needs to be sent to YKTTW for major refinement.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#593: Jul 31st 2013 at 1:57:40 PM

Just cutlist it and message the creating troper. I've had luck with the troper who made Clown Car this way.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#595: Aug 3rd 2013 at 1:14:17 AM

A new page: XJ. Is it actually on-purpose to have pages like that?

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Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
#596: Aug 3rd 2013 at 4:10:06 AM

I want to say "no", but I'm not absolutely positive. It doesn't seem to be worth a page (especially with no tropes attached), at first glance.

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Catbert Since: Jan, 2012
#597: Aug 3rd 2013 at 1:27:04 PM

Considering that we already have a page for the channel Tats Tops Videos of which XJ is a mascot, I think that the work page about the channel is sufficient to cover the topic of XJ.

edited 3rd Aug '13 1:27:35 PM by Catbert

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#599: Aug 4th 2013 at 9:58:03 AM

yagitakeru launched Hyper Mode with only two examples and what seems like a "but more" definition.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Nocturna Since: May, 2011
#600: Aug 4th 2013 at 11:39:30 AM

[up] ... And one of those examples isn't even entirely correct. (Well, it would fit the proposed trope, but some of the non-essential stuff is just wrong.) I vote cutlist.


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