TLP Crash Rescue - Fixing prematurely launched TLPs and pages

Undies And Shoes: Cut.

Re Undies And Shoes: Wow!

Cut.

edited 5th May '13 2:04:03 PM by Catbert

Cut with extreme prejudice. Make it go away.

What is this, I don't even...

Ugh. Cut it, cut it for the love of all that is holy!

Burn it. Then burn the ashes to make sure.

Don't forget to message the creator about proper trope creation.

Then burn it a third time, for good measure!

I said it before, and I'll say it again: All new editors/posters should get an automatic message that points out in no uncertain terms that TV Tropes reserves the right to punish any violations of proper trope creation procedure that are obviously due to not even bothering to know how to create a trope properly (i.e. they didn't bother looking for any rules/guidelines first). That should be a good motivator.

edited 5th May '13 2:31:44 PM by MarqFJA

That looks like a great newbie-biting measure. A weaker form might have a chance in the Tech Wishlist.

"Newbie-biting" means what, exactly?

I just created a thread to discuss the possibility of creating an automated Welcome To TV Tropes message that gives some introductory guidance to newbies and links them to where to get more information.

Scares off the newbies, is overly aggressive towards them, makes them not contribute for fear of breaking rules and getting punished, etc.. "Don't bite the newbies" is a rule or guide on many sites and wikis.

Anyway... Whistling and its duplicate Music.Whistling. A couple ZCE's on both pages, but mostly empty folders. As done it isn't a trope and should be cut and the creator messaged. The whistling tropes are already at Not-So-Innocent Whistle and Wolf Whistle.

I cutlisted Undies And Shoes and messaged the creator.

While I could see Whistling as an index or supertrope, as-is it needs fixing.

Music tropes are kinda screwy because while music does have stuff that might be called tropes, most aren't that relevent to storytelling.

I'm inclined to think that we should limit music trope pages to stuff that is used to communicate something to the audience about the story being told, like a Scare Chord in a movie soundtrack which is designed to produce a specific effect. Or something like Heroic Tenor about how the heroes of operas tend to be tenors.

Whistling... I just don't see any storytelling implications. It isn't even considerd a genre of music to my knowledge. If might be considered a form of vocal music, but I see no more reason for us to track whistling than for us to track songs with clarinets. This really isn't a music wiki, even if we sometimes talk about music.

edited 6th May '13 6:45:04 AM by Catbert

"...while music does have stuff that might be called tropes, most aren't that relevent to storytelling."

The same could be said of many video games, and we still have tropes for a lot of what goes on there. I nevertheless agree that "Whistling" is Not A Trope.

[edit - nevermind]

edited 6th May '13 8:44:27 AM by Catbert

Best Before Decade just got launched. The trope itself is fine but the name is AWFUL and never even came up in the YKTTW. Not quite sure what to do with it.

There was some discussion about the title on YKTTW. It also only had one hat.

You can try appealing to a mod to have it unlaunched and sent back to YKTTW for more discussion on the title, or you can wait until there is an opening in TRS.

I say way for an opening in TRS. The name is the only problem I see with it. Sell By Long Ago would work.

Tokunation Sentai Modranger, created by Akiba Silver. I've namespaced the page and cutlisted the Main/ page since it's wick- and inboundless (and informed the creator of this), but it needs some scrubbing.

I'll do so later today.

There Are No Toddlers.

Not a trope. Trivia, or an analysis note on Soap Opera Rapid Aging Syndrome

edited 8th May '13 5:53:45 AM by Madrugada

Is Digimon The Movie a page that is ready for a namespace move?

An Old one Kleptomaniac Hero Found Underwear. Launched back in 2009, one day in YKTTW, three examples, a stub, and too narrow. It says it has a hat, but the hat system wasn't instituted back then, so someone;s added the hat since the launch.

edited 9th May '13 4:57:51 AM by Madrugada

It has a bunch of wicks and examples now. Are you sure it's appropriate to send it through this thread?

Half the examples (at least) are bad. They're just about underwear, somehow; or a character looking in a closet or drawers, somehow; or a character finding things, somehow; or a dresser, somehow.

I frankly think it was, and is, too narrow, and and needs a trip back through YKTTW to make it more well-defined.

Bad examples:

Underwear, somehow, but not the rest of the trope:

• In Jet Force Gemini, an NPC on Tawfret asks you to retrieve his stolen underwear (which Mizar's troops threw up a tree). Once returned, he'll give you the necessary item needed to continue the game.
• As part of the trading subquest of Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening, you have to give a mermaid her bikini top back that she lost and has ended up in a fishing pond (previous to this, she doesn't jump up onto the rock that she's supposed to sit on and diving near her causes her to scream and swim away, think about that).
  • In the North American versions of the game, this bikini top becomes a Necklace. She still flees when you dive near her though. In most European versions, it remains a bikini top in the Game Boy version. In the DX version, it becomes a necklace too.
• In Dragon Quest IX, the hero/heroine can find the "Dangerous Top" a girl lost in a bathhouse (she lets him keep it if he/she brings it back anyway) and buy the "Dangerous Midriff" in a secret shop.Any female character can wear them, though they only give 1 Defense each.
• The "Leliana's Song" DLC for Dragon Age: Origins includes an NPC whose kinky, fetishy underwear you can loot from his unconscious body. You can either plant the naughty undies on another unconscious NPC (which is part of completing a quest) or nail them to a bulletin board outside a church (which doesn't get you any game benefit, but is funnier).

A closet or dresser but not the rest of the trope

• In Mega Man Battle Network, examining Mayl's closet in every game (except 6, where you can't go into her house) will have Lan note he shouldn't, and that even close personal friends have limits.
  • In the first Battle Network, you can walk right up to her as she's changing, right before one of the boss fights, sometime between Ice Man.EXE and Magic Man.EXE. It fits into the trope because you can't tell until you actually talk to her.
• In Phantasy Star IV, Chaz will actually refuse to check the drawers in other houses. The only exceptions are Alys', which he is too scared to do, and his own, which of course only contains underwear.
• In Mario Golf: Advance Tour, if you are male and look in your female partner's closet, it will note that her (default:Ella) clothes are inside and she will get mad at you.
  • Bizarrely, if you play as the female character, looking in your own closet produces the exact same "Hey, these are (name)'s clothes!" response (sans angry reaction), making her sound like a Third-Person Person.
• It's been mentioned a few times in The Inexplicable Adventures of Bob! that it's impossible to find anything hidden in Bob's seemingly bottomless sock drawer. He once hid a world-destroying bomb in there for safe keeping.

Just "finding something in something else"

• In Rhapsody: A Musical Adventure, searching barrels in a certain location will get you something along the lines of "Eeeek, you found a mouse! ...That's not helpful to the story, though."
• Many crates and barrels in The Elder Scrolls games can have just stuff like folded cloth, casual clothing, fruits and vegetables, and other things.
• Similar to Chrono Trigger, you can dig a bromide of Jessica out of Kyle's bed in Lunar: Silver Star Story Complete (the window to do this is very tight). Jessica is not thrilled.
  • The Lunar series is famous for these sorts of things, as practically everything can be poked through. And several characters possess these pictures of scantily clad women, which every woman is absolutely furious to find out about and snatches away at once... Before handing them to the main character for safekeeping.
• Possibly lampshaded and subverted in Tales Of Vesperia. Upon first meeting Rita, Yuri (still convinced she's the blastia thief) can search her drawers. Estelle will interrupt and say it's not proper for a man to search a woman's belongings. All the player knows is that whatever she found, she won't tell.

And those are the ones I can tell are bad examples without ever playing the games they're from.