Needs Help: Evil Is Sexy

Deadlock Clock: 15th Aug 2013 11:59:00 PM
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I don't think we can turn this into a trope that we don't already have. So we should probably turn this into a pure index.
27 SeptimusHeap28th Dec 2012 10:38:11 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
So, add an index about tropes involving this and delete the examples? I am on the boat.
In uffish thought
I think there is a trope here, though. Evil Is Seductive (both sexy-seductive and persuasive-seductive) is very common, and plays off Sex Is Evil and the Interplay of Sex and Violence in some media. As Nrjxll mentioned, though, given that we have Ugly Hero, Good-Looking Villain and Beauty Is Bad, we could make Evil Is Seductive — or possibly The Lure Of Evil — purely about evil characters being persuasive, seductive in behaviour (rather than sexy in looks), and so on.
29 SeptimusHeap14th Jan 2013 01:45:28 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
Evil Is Seductive - should that be taken to YKTTW? I agree it's tropable.
31 SeptimusHeap14th Jan 2013 10:43:43 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
We'll need to properly distinguish it from The Corruption, of course.
Interesting where this is going.

I created a YKTTW a while back called Passion Is Evil that's sure to be launched soon. The basic idea is that The Dark Side is usually run by emotions (lust, anger, fear, etc.) and the good side is run by enlightenment, passivity, and transcendence.

Where you guys seem to be taking this trope appears to be related.
33 SeptimusHeap15th Jan 2013 08:21:11 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
It would be a subtrope or at least related to your YKTTW.
34 Noaqiyeum15th Jan 2013 11:29:32 PM from the October Country , Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The it-thingy
Passion Is Evil sounds closely tied to Romanticism Versus Enlightenment (from Enlightenment's perspective, naturally).
Anyone who looks dangerous is dangerous.

Anyone who doesn't look dangerous is dangerous and sneaky.
So is there an actual trope we can turn this into? If so, can somebody provide a clear definition of it because a lot whats being mentioned sounds like things covered by other tropes.
I think we decided to make this into an index for those tropes like 6 months ago.
37 SeptimusHeap25th Jan 2013 02:25:36 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
There is already an index there. The question is whether we want to cut examples and YKTTW something out of the current page.
39 nrjxll28th Feb 2013 05:56:08 PM , Relationship Status: Not war
Okay, let's revive this thing. I think we can all agree that the page as currently written is not really a sustainable trope, yes?
Pretty much with it's current title I don't think there's a potential definition we could come up with that's not already covered by another trope.
41 Ironeye1st May 2013 12:28:52 PM from SoCal , Relationship Status: Falling within your bell curve
Evil Is Seductive has some promise, but I agree that this description and this name aren't useful.
I'm bad, and that's good. I will never be good, and that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be than me.
Remove examples, rename to clarify its status as an index?
43 Spark92nd May 2013 02:59:41 AM from Castle Wulfenbach , Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
[up] Yes, that works.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
44 SeptimusHeap2nd May 2013 05:10:21 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
I could support a rename, but 1755 wicks are hard work to clean up.
45 nrjxll2nd May 2013 11:28:15 AM , Relationship Status: Not war
Time-consuming, yes, but we wouldn't necessarily have to remove all of them either.
46 helterskelter10th May 2013 05:15:14 AM , Relationship Status: Drift compatible
Well, I think it would basically have to be renamed. In my experience, just changing a trope's definition and even doing a really good clean-up doesn't prevent misuse or even really slow it down.

I like Septimus' suggestion best. Cut this examples, index the page, YKTTW anything that doesn't have a trope that used to belong here. It's a lot easier to cut examples flat out then it is to read each one to see if it fits.

edited 10th May '13 7:11:25 AM by helterskelter

And Evil Is Sexy definitely sounds more like a trope than an index.
48 SeptimusHeap7th Jun 2013 06:48:57 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
OK, what are the options here?
Remove all the examples and wicks, leave as an index and rename.
50 kiukiuclk7th Jun 2013 08:08:35 PM from 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693 , Relationship Status: My TiMER is ticking
Evil Is Fan Service maybe? Or Evil Eye Candy [lol]. It does seem to be mostly about appearances.

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