I don't think we can turn this into a trope that we don't already have. So we should probably turn this into a pure index.

So, add an index about tropes involving this and delete the examples? I am on the boat.

I think there is a trope here, though. Evil Is Seductive (both sexy-seductive and persuasive-seductive) is very common, and plays off Sex Is Evil and the Interplay of Sex and Violence in some media. As Nrjxll mentioned, though, given that we have Ugly Hero, Good-Looking Villain and Beauty Is Bad, we could make Evil Is Seductive — or possibly The Lure Of Evil — purely about evil characters being persuasive, seductive in behaviour (rather than sexy in looks), and so on.

Evil Is Seductive - should that be taken to YKTTW? I agree it's tropable.

Seduced By The Dark Side? The Vamp and Femme Fatale are related.

We'll need to properly distinguish it from The Corruption, of course.

Interesting where this is going.

I created a YKTTW a while back called Passion Is Evil that's sure to be launched soon. The basic idea is that The Dark Side is usually run by emotions (lust, anger, fear, etc.) and the good side is run by enlightenment, passivity, and transcendence.

Where you guys seem to be taking this trope appears to be related.

It would be a subtrope or at least related to your YKTTW.

Passion Is Evil sounds closely tied to Romanticism Versus Enlightenment (from Enlightenment's perspective, naturally).

So is there an actual trope we can turn this into? If so, can somebody provide a clear definition of it because a lot whats being mentioned sounds like things covered by other tropes.

I think we decided to make this into an index for those tropes like 6 months ago.

There is already an index there. The question is whether we want to cut examples and YKTTW something out of the current page.

Clocking.

Okay, let's revive this thing. I think we can all agree that the page as currently written is not really a sustainable trope, yes?

Pretty much with it's current title I don't think there's a potential definition we could come up with that's not already covered by another trope.

Evil Is Seductive has some promise, but I agree that this description and this name aren't useful.

Remove examples, rename to clarify its status as an index?

Yes, that works.

I could support a rename, but 1755 wicks are hard work to clean up.

Time-consuming, yes, but we wouldn't necessarily have to remove all of them either.

Well, I think it would basically have to be renamed. In my experience, just changing a trope's definition and even doing a really good clean-up doesn't prevent misuse or even really slow it down.

I like Septimus' suggestion best. Cut this examples, index the page, YKTTW anything that doesn't have a trope that used to belong here. It's a lot easier to cut examples flat out then it is to read each one to see if it fits.

edited 10th May '13 7:11:25 AM by helterskelter

And Evil Is Sexy definitely sounds more like a trope than an index.