Misused: Creators Pet

Wouldn't she qualify as a Creator's Pet within the Resident Evil franchise as a whole, then?

But the entry was talking about the films series, where Alice is the main character, so doesn't it disqualify her as Creator's Pet? Unless the producers start bringing her into the games and have other characters praise her for no reason.

If we're just talking about the Resident Evil films, then as the protagonist Alice cannot be a Creator's Pet by definition.

edited 16th May '14 6:17:38 AM by Fighteer

Was trying to clean up the Others subpage, and noticed a Real Life section, which does not seem appropriate, given that the trope discusses a person's (lack of) popularity among other things. Can this be removed, or has it been discussed elsewhere?

I'd just dump it. It's blatantly inappropriate for the trope.

My question is would she qualify as one for the Resident Evil franchise as a whole? Yes, she's the protagonist of the films but not the Franchise.

That's nonsensical. She can only be a Creator's Pet if she shows up in a work as something other than the main protagonist and gets undue Character Focus therein.

I reiterate: Not liking a character doesn't make her a Creator's Pet.

edited 16th May '14 7:51:07 AM by Fighteer

She fits three of the four criteria. She can go on those tropes, not this one.

Yeah, Creator's Pet can't be from Real Life. I checked the ones deleted, and while I'd file most of them under actual Real Life stuff, I wouldn't call the theme park mascot anything other than a fictional character. However, it was one that was (ostensibly) pushed because of popularity, which disqualifies it.

I'm kind of unsure about the Big 12 example under Sports on CreatorsPet.Other, though. I'd file it under Real Life, since it's about organisations made out of real people. It's a rather nattery example as well, which doesn't exactly help.

edited 16th May '14 10:44:34 AM by AnotherDuck

So how about the Pokemon examples on Video Games?

The first three bullet points seem legit, but the last three (added recently) seem like they're just complaining about certain Pokemon being heavily marketed.

Pikachu and Charizard are two of the most popular pokemons. They can't qualify.

Hey, I just yoinked two entries from the Anime page - Chibi-Usa and Mana Aida, from Sailor Moon and Pretty Cure respectively. Chibi-Usa is a main character, unlike the original entry's claim, and not just for that series. On top of that, The Other Wiki linked some references that proves she was extremely popular in Japan, routinely placing first or second in character polls, meaning she beat out every other main character on the show. So she's not so much a Scrappy as an Americans Hate Tingle victim. Furthermore, I couldn't track down any interview where the creators of the anime claimed she was their favorite character.

Mana is the lead protagonist of her self-contained Pretty Cure series, and that's really about all I can say about her as I've not watched that far into Pretty Cure to judge for myself. However, the shows I have watched do focus on an ensemble cast, but the main viewpoint character is always the pink Cure and the series always focuses on her the most (at least from Fresh on...because that's how far back I went.) Mana is that character in Doki. Whether she's a good protagonist is outside the scope of this trope.

No idea about Mana, but yes, Chibi-Usa doesn't belong on that page.

Out of note, Pikachu was included again in the video game page.

None of those Pokemon entries explain that the fans dislike the characters, which is a crucial requirement.

That Gina example from Brooklyn 99 really should go.

Also, another example I wanted to contest- The A Song of Ice and Fire character Darkstar, who was added to the Creator's Pet/Literature page. Basically, the character was intended as an Evil Is Cool Ensemble Dark Horse but instead came off as narmy and is The Scrappy.

Going through the criteria:

• Hated by fans- Yeah, I'd say so, although he seems to have some appreciation in a So Bad, It's Good kind of way.

• Loved or worshiped by the writer- hard to say- is a writing trying to invoke an Ensemble Dark Horse the same thing?- I mean it can be (i.e. Wesley Crusher). His character arc hasn't played out yet, so I think it is hard to judge how attached to the character the author is. Potentially, the author is aware of the fan reaction not meeting his expectations and he'll respond accordingly.

• Put into big scenes for no reason- I'd argue against this one. He's a mercenary and is recruited by a character who is not the best judge of character because he's good looking- it is an in-universe case of Draco in Leather Pants in that she heard bad things about him, but thought he was too handsome for them to be true.

• Talked up by other characters- Definite yes to this one (the handsomeness noted above probably counts for this). There's all these comments about how martial prowess and how he's The Dreaded, including that he was feared by the actual Ensemble Dark Horse Oberyn Martel, of whom Darkstar is a Suspiciously Similar Substitute. And this is about a character who was never mentioned prior to his first appearance.

edited 9th Jun '14 7:35:42 PM by Hodor

So one thing that I keep thinking about when considering the "main characters cannot qualify" rule: wouldn't that actually disqualify Wesley Crusher? He wasn't the protagonist, but he was listed in the credits for three-and-a-half seasons.

Also, I haven't responded to the Darkstar thing because I have no memory of him whatsoever.

Depends on prominence. Just because a character is listed in the opening credits doesn't mean it's someone who should be in on everything.

edited 14th Jun '14 2:56:50 AM by AnotherDuck

So I just pulled a metric ton of Pokemon examples:

Pulled Pikachu examples because he's the series Mascot: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.PokemonBlackAndWhite https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=CreatorsPet.Videogames

Almost none of these say why they're Creator's Pet other than "they're prominent": https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.PokemonXAndY

I've seen a lot of misuse along the lines of "this character is liked by the creators" without any indication that they are disliked by the fans.

These entries ought to be shipped off to Creator's Favorite.

Yeah, but what's the cause? Are people not reading the trope description at all?

Yes.

Are people not reading the trope description at all?

Is water wet? People not reading the description of a trope has been an issue since long before I came here.

For the Pokemon examples, they're closer to Pandering to the Base than Creator's Favorite. They get a lot of focus... precisely because they're already popular.

By the way, if the character is a Base Breaker rather than The Scrappy, can they qualify for this trope?