Real Life People Cleanup Project

What's wrong with applying tropes to them? Unless they're NRLEP or YMMV, of course.

We trope works, not people. For more specifics, please read the first post, and keep in mind that there is a proposal to expand the requirement from at least three works to a minimum of five works.

Well I'm biased since I love the presidents and would love for the tropes that apply to them help people learn more about them without having to go through a mess of information.

And bad taste may be bad taste, but it's reality.

edited 30th May '14 12:53:03 PM by Smasher

Tropes are supposed to be tools for writers to help them write works of fiction, and there are people around here who would rather we not have any real life examples at all, let alone pages on real life people. In reality, it has never been that clean, but that's the way it is.

Welcome to TV Tropes:

We are not a wiki about presidents. We are a wiki about Tropes. People learning about presidents should not be coming here.

edited 30th May '14 6:45:48 PM by crazysamaritan

Well, we're also not learning about creators either than, right?

Anyway, if people shouldn't have tropes applied to them, why should events?

They shouldn't. The only reason we have more pages for historical events than we do for historical figures is because events are more likely to appear in fiction.

And while creators are more relevant to a site about fiction, we're constantly struggling to keep those pages focused on their work and not their personal lives, so they're not a good counter-example either.

Troping real people is fun, though.

So I take it there's going to be some kind of Tropes Dont Apply To Real People or something?

edited 30th May '14 8:28:01 PM by Smasher

Welcome to TV Tropes: this page has everything you need to get started as an active member of the community. Debating policy is something we do in the Wiki Talk forums. Not clean-up projects.

The Men of Downing Street lists several PMs whose pages are walls of text, stubs, and/or are a fairly dull list of things they did.

• Lord Liverpool
• The Earl Grey
• Earl Russell
• The Earl Of Derby
• The Earl Of Aberdeen

I'm in favour of people being allowed in Useful Notes so long as they're represented in media; these aren't. Good to cut? (I've left the 20th Century lot alone, since it's more likely they'll have been portrayed in fiction.)

Most of the tropes listed on Creator.Christopher Lee is talking about the person rather than his work (It looks like it takes up more than half of the trope list).

May I remove them all?

Aye, that is too much "troping Real Life people" there.

One Direction also has a lot of personal tropes. I've pruned out most of them, but I may have missed a few.

edited 2nd Jul '14 7:28:09 AM by theAdeptRogue

Namespaced World Rally Championship, but it has no work references that we require for UN pages. By ~ryangregg12345hotmailcom.

Cracked and YMMV.Cracked has numerous entries that are talking about the columnists and other contributors (i.e. real life people). Should that be cut?

Anyone want to take a look at Visual Kei? The page is massive and a lot of it seems to me to be troping the musicians' (and fandom's) lives themselves rather than their music, performances, videos, etc. (I'm familiar enough with VK that I could, in theory, do it myself, but like I said, the page is huge. I just went back to college and I don't have time to do a fix of that magnitude.)

Also, if the pages for the bands and artists themselves are written like the genre page, someone should take a look at them, too...

ETA: Should Awesome.VisualKei and NightmareFuel.VisualKei even exist?

edited 29th Aug '14 7:05:48 AM by MissMokushiroku

I'm reporting UsefulNotes.Fidel Castro. I'm not sure, but I assume that "troping" his fictional appearances wouldn't be against the rules or problematic, right? Whatever that's the case or not, his real life entries must go.

edited 1st Sep '14 2:32:30 PM by Elbruno

Listing his fictional appearances would be fine, but the specific tropes associated with his use as a character in any given work should be on the page for that work.

AwesomeMcCoolname.Real Life reads like a sort of Troper Tales page. Many of the examples don't have much to do with the actual person's name.

Should this be chainsawed or just cut altogether?

That's more a question for here.

Whoops, minor brain malfunctiuon. :)

And now added to Administrivia.No Real Life Examples Please, for being "too common to trope."

There is a YKTTW attempting to trope Charles de Gaulle.

I have a few questions. I'm one of the ones in favor of having Useful Notes pages for notable historical figures but I agree with the policy of cleaning out the Real Life stuff.

Currently, there is a ykttw for Eleanore of Aquitane. I'm uncertain if that should get its own trope because how often does the media portray Eleanore without also portraying her sons? I thinks some groups of people who always appear together in media should have their useful notes pages combined instead of having one page for each person.

Millard Fillmore has several media mentions but several of those media mentions are not of Fillmore himself. Media often portrays schools and other institutions named after Fillmore? I think the media examples should be only those about the person (or the corpse where applicable) but not about anything named after the person.

Benjamin Harrison has no media examples. Should his page be eliminated?

There is definitely an undercurrent of We All Live in America with the presence of pages for every single US president (something that I think has come up before).

edited 22nd Sep '14 9:51:15 PM by MorganWick