Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
When adding to the crowner:
- Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
In order for a crowner to pass:
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
- Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP index
- Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page
Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need crowner vote.
Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.
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Notes:
- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
No, the other one.
Well, that was just voted to keep them, so outright cutting the Real Life page is out. However, the definition is slightly different on that page compared to the main one. For one, it's marked as trivia. Second, the description is more focused on actors who cultivate a jerk persona of themselves rather than actors taking a completely different role. Essentially making characters out of themselves. If we take that as a required part of the trope, a lot of examples would get cut.
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I suggest not to separate them by media, but by their names. Specific situations of nice actors playing nasty or evil people should go in the respective trivia subpages.
I'd like somebody to look at ActionGirl.Real Life. That page is one of my favorites on the wiki and I don't want it to get cut, but it looks like it could be cleaned up a little. I see a few generic "examples" for instance.
Sorcerer in training
General examples can be nuked on sight, no further reason needed.
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Alright. I'll try to clean up the page myself. Not only are there general "examples" but there are also a few Weblinks Are Not Examples violations. I'll get to it.
Hollywood Autism was marked NRLEP for just "potential flamebait", which is exactly against our current standards regarding assumptions on tropes' contentiousness. The trope would fit better as a narrative trope instead of "flamebait complaining and natter" because as a Hollywood Style trope, it is how the media portrays autism, hence the "Hollywood" part.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, but all play and no work makes Jack a mere boy
Snuff Film is currently listed on Example Sectionectomy, but wouldn't a No Real Life Examples Please or In Universe Examples Only tag work better? On the one hand, no fucking way should we list *actual* examples, but on the other hand, it *is* something that is depicted and talked about within fiction. For example, the films 8mm and Strange Days both feature in-universe recordings of murder. I'm sure it also forms the plot to more than one criminal procedural episode such as Law & Order or CSI.
edited 28th Jul '17 6:18:58 AM by Morgenthaler
You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"
That trope once was NRLEP only. Eddie did the change without an edit reason.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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Eddie's change was prior to 2013. I'm guessing it happened in the great purge following the Second Google Incident.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Aye, late April 2012. I am not disinclined to restore its previous status, but the previous examples will need vetting.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Berserk Button: misusing Nightmare Fuel
Snuff Films are a plot device like any other, I don't see any reason why no examples should be allowed, so long as we don't go listing real ones.
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My guess is that it had to do with the nascent Content Policy. Keeping this In Universe Examples Only seems fine, but I do not want any actual examples of RL snuff films on the wiki.
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Agreed. In-Universe, they're a plot point.
Alright, then I'll start a sandbox so those examples can be vetted.
And done. I excluded examples that lacked context. There were also one or two examples that were apparently real (Gimme Shelter and Grizzly Man), though since both incidents were unintended they're more in line with Fatal Method Acting. Also, the latter is basically trivia, not part of the actual film made by Werner Herzog.
edited 29th Jul '17 4:31:16 AM by Morgenthaler
You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"
Zzzzzzzzzz
Those two aren't examples. Part of the definition of a Snuff Film is that it is made with the express purpose of commercial distribution and that the death is a murder committed in order to be filmed.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
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He had a...habit of doing that.
I'm fine with allowing fictional snuff films.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
That decision is OK.
A thing: A Snuff Film does not need a commercial intent.
edited 29th Jul '17 7:44:07 PM by DoctorCooper
No, the other one.
This is gossip any way I can see it. The page has three examples, two without context, and one that reads like a tabloid.
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Made a new crowner. Hollering for a hook.
edited 30th Jul '17 10:11:50 AM by Theatre_Maven_3695
New crowner attached.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Should we cut its real life examples now? You said that two were ZCE, and one was tabloidlike, which all sound worthy of removing.
"In distress", my ass.
The ZCEs can go without an issue, but even if the Spade/Farley entry is tabloid-ish, unless the trope is made NRLEP it's technically a valid entry. I do agree that it is gossipy, but I don't know if it needs full NRLEP treatment and not just a purging, waiting to see if anything pops back up afterward.
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I removed the two ZCE.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, but all play and no work makes Jack a mere boy
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Marriage Before Romance came up in ATT for other reasons, but in RL it seems a bit gossipy to me.
At the least it should probably be surveyed and cleaned.
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Crown Description:
Vote up to either forbid all real life examples (No Real Life Examples Please) or forbid real life examples for specific subjects (Limited Real Life Examples Only); vote down to Keep Real Life Examples. To add a trope to a No Real Life Examples Please index or the Limited Real Life Examples Only index, its crowner option must meet the following criteria:- Stable 2:1 ratio needed for NRLEP or LRLEO
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple of extra days to see if more votes come in.
I think that the Real Life pages of Mean Character, Nice Actor need to go. They were split off from the main page because they were overwhelming the examples in fiction, and they've only gotten worse, listing anyone who ever played an evil or mean character but is a nice person, or has done nice things, or ...well, in some cases... isn't an absolute shitheel.
The Film subpage has about 200 examples, LiveAction TV has nearly 250, and the main subpage, Mean Character Nice Actor has nearly 350 examples.
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