Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
When adding to the crowner:
- Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
In order for a crowner to pass:
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
- Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP index
- Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page
Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need crowner vote.
Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.
After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.
NRLEP tag:
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Notes:
- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
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I personally don't mind references and urging to get help for various issues, as long as they don't overwhelm the description. (A two-three line paragraph, a number or two, maybe a website...)
PSA-type announcements specifically, though, usually wind up more useless than anything. Gentle nudging and subtlety is what's needed on a lot of these issues, not a brick.
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
"In distress", my ass.
Fixing Franchise/Bioshock wicks, I came across Everybody Smokes.
It seems to me that this trope's RL section is kinda nattery and prone to generic examples, and I'm also dubious about the "everybody" part of the trope given the [0%/100%] approval rating tropes were listed because both 0% and 100% approval are impossible in RL.
NRLEP fodder?
Currently pending is Heroic Suicide: Added 1st Dec '15 at 05:01:16 PM, 4:0
edited 3rd Dec '15 6:03:31 AM by Nohbody
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"In distress", my ass.
Adding Everybody Smokes to the crowner, for the reason I mentioned above.
Heroic Suicide is still pending, with 5:0 as of this post.
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No Ending is a trope about intentionally ending a story without an actual resolution. Since real life ins't a story, I nominate it for NRLEP.
"In distress", my ass.
That No Ending has an RL section makes me a sad panda. Agree on listing, and will do so after this post.
Pending issues:
- Heroic Suicide: Added 1st Dec '15 at 05:01:16 PM, 7:1 (8)
- Everybody Smokes: Added 4th Dec '15 at 06:33:17 AM, 6:1 (7)
No, the other one.
I don't think Everybody Smokes needs absolutely 100% of everyone to smoke. Just that it's the common thing to do. However, that means that any example would need to cover an entire culture. That's pretty much what counts as a generic "example" in just about every other trope. On the other hand, the culture itself is the specific example here. Subsections of people aren't examples, since they fail the "everybody" part. It's not common if it's just a subculture. On the third hand, it's probably something more appropriate for an analysis page or something.
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"In distress", my ass.
Heroic Suicide stands currently at 5:1 (12), and passed the 48hr mark a few days ago. Given it was previously at 7:1 (8) last post I made about it, I'm going to wait a bit more for it to stabilize before calling.
Other issues pending:
- Everybody Smokes: Added 4th Dec '15 at 06:33:17 AM, 4:1 (10)
- No Ending: Added 4th Dec '15 at 09:11:15 PM, 10:1 (11)
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Still iffy on Heroic Suicide (though any possible examples could probably fit better under Taking You with Me or Heroic Sacrifice anyway).
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"In distress", my ass.
I hadn't voted either way myself, as I'm also not convinced. Right now it's at 5.5:1 (one more yes vote since my last post), so it doesn't look like there's enough agreement to keep it from becoming NRLEP, though I'm going to wait until morning to make the final call just to be sure there's no last minute changes of heart (so to speak).
Currently pending:
- Everybody Smokes: Added 4th Dec '15 at 06:33:17 AM, 4.5:1 (11)
- No Ending: Added 4th Dec '15 at 09:11:15 PM, 12:1 (13)
"In distress", my ass.
Heroic Suicide is stable, so I think it's safe to call. Everybody Smokes is probably going to clear the NRLEP listing qualifications, but I'm holding off until tomorrow to be sure. As an added benefit, I can pop No Ending at the same time, which is safely in the NRLEP category except for the 48h minimum time on the crowner.
Calling Heroic Suicide: Added 1st Dec '15 at 05:01:16 PM, 5.5:1 (13)
That does, though, bring to mind the question of what category to list Heroic Suicide under. It clearly doesn't fit under sexuality tropes, impossible in RL, or gossip/stereotypes, and since AFAIK it's never had any RL examples there's nothing supporting it belonging in the flamebait/complaining category.
Pending issues:
- Everybody Smokes: Added 4th Dec '15 at 06:33:17 AM, 4.5:1 (11)
- No Ending: Added 4th Dec '15 at 09:11:15 PM, 13:1 (14)
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I guess under plot tropes?
No, the other one.
So, Post Cyber Punk. This is a genre trope.
It has three examples. The first is generic. The second I can't quite interpret, and seems to be about a web page. The third should probably be in Literature.
I could probably clean it all up (not like there's a lot), but I wanted a second opinion, and if we should put it on The List or not.
edited 7th Dec '15 6:38:52 AM by AnotherDuck
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"In distress", my ass.
^ I don't think that any of them really fit the trope, under any category. I'd recommend trying to just remove the misuse and keep an eye on it, and only NRLEP if RL examples come back in some way.
^^ Plot doesn't seem any more accurate than the others I mentioned. One can certainly make a Heroic Suicide in RL without a Creator writing a story.
[brain fart deleted]
edited 7th Dec '15 12:57:46 AM by Nohbody
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Evil Twin has real life examples for what is clearly a morality trope.
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Okay, THAT'S probably a cut.
As for Heroic Suicide, I'm not sure I agree that it would encourage real-life suicide (though it might encourage flamebait over whether it was TRULY heroic).
"In distress", my ass.
Calling No Ending: Added 4th Dec '15 at 09:11:15 PM, 14:1 (15)
Pending:
Everybody Smokes has gained a no vote since last time, bringing the vote ratio to 3:1 (12), so waiting until this afternoon to call to make sure it's stable.
Evil Twin was added 6th Dec '15 at 06:27:29 PM, currently at 4:0.
As for Heroic Suicide, I'm thinking that morality tropes is the least problematic category to put it under, given that "hero" or "villain" is judging the morality of people so labeled.
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Also, no new entries for this crowner. Including the pending issues there are 14 items, and we usually wrap up a crowner around a dozen.
edited 7th Dec '15 5:51:24 AM by Nohbody
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I could live with that reason. Hell, some people might consider suicide bombers "heroic."
Dark Skinned Blond has a real life section, but has the [noreallife] tag and a redirect of that trope is in the No Real Life Examples, Please! page. Which must be done to that page? And isn't the section of gossip and stereotypes inappropiate?
edited 7th Dec '15 8:01:32 PM by DoctorCooper
"In distress", my ass.
Everybody Smokes gained 2 more yes votes since my last post, bringing it to 3.67:1 (14). I think it's safe to say that it's unlikely to drastically change to not qualifying, so I'm calling it for NRLEP.
May have been a brain fart. In any case, just updating the NRLEP entry should be fine. As for what category it's in, the description explicitly talks about the physical trait being tied to stereotypical behavior.
[edit] Not a screwup, trope-icana added the folder back on Aug 4, 2015, with the "despite the quote" entry, and Matilla chimed in Sep 5 with the Romani entry. Without more digging than I have time for at the moment, I don't know if either has a history of ignoring policy decisions.
Pending:
- Evil Twin: Added 6th Dec '15 at 06:27:29 PM, currently at 9:0.
edited 8th Dec '15 8:16:30 AM by Nohbody
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"In distress", my ass.
Calling Evil Twin. It's only cleared the 2 day minimum by an hour, but at 11:0 I don't think it's in any danger of slipping into "don't NRLEP" territory.
With that done, everything pending has been addressed, so I'm going to make the next crowner and call for it to be hooked as soon as I finish taking care of Evil Twin.
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Crowner switched and thread title changed.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Dhampyr is about human/vampire hybrids. Vampires don't exist in real life, so I'm pretty sure these don't as well.
"In distress", my ass.
Oh, sure that's just what they want you to believe! /ConspiracyTheorist
More seriously, the one entry that's there currently doesn't seem that harmful, even if there is precedent for listing stuff that hasn't been shown to be actively harmful to the wiki.
edited 10th Dec '15 9:11:11 PM by Nohbody
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Crown Description:
Vote up to either forbid all real life examples (No Real Life Examples Please) or forbid real life examples for specific subjects (Limited Real Life Examples Only); vote down to Keep Real Life Examples. To add a trope to a No Real Life Examples Please index or the Limited Real Life Examples Only index, its crowner option must meet the following criteria:- Stable 2:1 ratio needed for NRLEP or LRLEO
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple of extra days to see if more votes come in.
Said context: The noreallife tag was added, as far as I can tell arbitrarily and without discussion, by Revolution Stone January this year, along with a "if you're feeling suicidal please get help" PSA-type paragraph.
Frankly, I don't see why it needs that paragraph, though looking at some other suicide tropes it seems like my view is the minority, and it's not really suitable for discussion in this thread in any case.
However, it should have been run through here on the NRLEP thing, regardless of whether it's decided to keep RL examples or not (I'm uncertain).
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Yeah, I think that trope could do without an RL section for the reason you mention.
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