Removing complaining, bashing and other negativity from the wiki

Headscratchers.World War Z is attracting some bile, including calling the author "AN IDIOT". I've pulled the entry in question to discussion.

edited 17th Jan '13 2:31:40 PM by SeptimusHeap

Multiple Forms Of Media is way overboard with its IJBM leftovers.

There seems to be, ironically enough, a shipping war of some sort going on at Comic Books, in the Spider-Man section. Any advice on how to rewrite it? Marvel pages in general seem to attract a lot of bile, and many of them don't seem to have been updated since Civil War or Dark Reign.

I suspect there's a direct connection between those facts. As for the shipping war, I'd just axe everything below the first paragraph and replace it with something like "This has not stopped fans from continuing to disagree on who Peter's Love Interest should be".

The Return of the King looks like a review, not a description.

I'm not sure things like "Generally regarded as the poorest out of the three animated LOTR films" and "That being said, the film is not without its strong points, the songwriting and voice work are still nearly as strong as the earlier The Hobbit, and the animation is just as pretty to look at." belong on the main page rather than the review page.

Can anyone come up with a more neutral description?

These are all reviews. Take them out.

I cut them out, but what is left is a single sentance. Any one want to take a shot at expanding the description?

The amount of complaining/Complaining About Complaining in the It's Popular,Now It Sucks page is just ridiculous. Even the main article is full of whining. Will someone please delete most of the examples in this page? If it's the worst case scenario then do an Example Sectionectomy and replace it with in-universe examples.

edited 27th Jan '13 11:54:25 AM by MrTerrorFace

Courtesy link.

You'd need to take it through TRS to delete all of the examples or limit it to in-universe examples only.

edited 27th Jan '13 2:26:52 PM by videogmer314

Odd that we have an article by that name, anyway. The two things we want to hear about the least—what's "popular" and what "sucks"—in the the same place.

I tried to get that page restricted to in-universe examples around six months ago. I think that's probably the best solution for the page. As Eddie said, it's not fitting with our mission in its present form, but cutting it outright would cost us over 4000 inbounds. The only other real solution is an Example Sectionectomy.

It's a real fandom phenomenon, so it's useful to have a page on it, but it really needs the treatment of its sister articles. I seriously don't understand why examples were allowed in the first place. Aside from the subjectivity and complaining, there is something of a martyr complex among them ("Saying you like a Takahashi series nowadays, especially Inu Yasha is tantamount to Suicide by Cop"). I don't like hyperbole in general, but in places like this (and many of the former fandom-related Troper Tales) it just looks self-pitying.

I moved the in-universe examples to their own section. Should make a sectionectomy easier.

Having looked through the page, it is much better than I had expected; no natter or flaming, and generally well written. If we do decide on a sectionectomy, maybe we could keep the cases of creators acknowledging the phenomenon.

Stephenie Meyer. Several of the trope examples come off as complainy.

New Media Are Evil also has a problem. The examples for New Media Are Evil come off as complaining/Complaining About Complaining.

edited 9th Feb '13 2:51:42 PM by MrTerrorFace

The description of Gameplay Roulette is mostly complaining, though most of the examples are neutral.

Can we really have an article on Alex Jones that isn't flaming him? I suggest either stripping it down to bare bones and locking it, or removing it entirely. That and putting in Creator/ where it belongs.

edited 13th Feb '13 9:53:09 PM by Fighteer

Does Jones really belong here? Like Jack Thompson and Ann Coulter he doesn't write, act in, or appear as a character in fiction; after all, he at least believes everything he says is true...

I assume it's the stories he tells as part of his radio show? Are they supposed to be real or are they storytelling?

Pretty sure he thinks they're all true. He's certainly a... colorful character, but he's never been involved in fiction to my knowledge.

After further research, I think that the options are either a) removing all NRLEP stuff or b) cut. I first thought only of the latter, but I'd have to read through the George W. Bush page again to see the limits of tropability in these cases.

Cousin Oliver seems to be presenting itself as a negative trope, considering that the description says that it's a form of Jumping the Shark, which is subjective. A few of the examples read like, "Argh! Why is this little kid here with the adults? We don't need kids in a cast of adults!"

I think the trope "The Scrappy" needs to be cleaned up. Why? Because it's misused. Half of the characters are Base Breakers and some don't even qualify. Plus, I think the examples need to be rewritten because some sound decent, while some sound whiny. Some tropers use the page as an excuse to shoehorn characters they don't like. Should I start a thread for the cleanup of the trope?

edited 17th Feb '13 6:05:30 PM by MsCC93

The Scrappy already has a clean-up thread in short term projects, here.

My apologies..thanks!