I think it's more important to fix the rampant One Word Examples because this is pretty bad.
Sure, but I don't think a rename will help there.
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You can be emotionally distant and people still try to get close to you or become attracted to you, a person who is aloof just discourages or doesn't respond to it.
edited 28th Jan '12 4:08:12 PM by NoirGrimoir
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I fail to see the contradiction.
"For visual novels, the A Profile, Canvas 2, Chaos;Head, and Fate/stay night examples are correct. Well Rider part of the FSN example is. The Tohsaka part is not correct, since being tall is definitely part of the trope and she's of average height. However, the judging by what is written the actual intent of the trope is understood, meaning a blatantly shoehorned example. Kara no Shoujo is correct and so are the Umineko no Naku Koro ni and Kanon examples."
Not all of the existing examples are tall either. Prue, for instance, is the same height.
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Height is not always required for this from my understanding of this from the last discussion, 99% of them are yes... It's not a VN till you encounter one of these (seriously they are almost a required character type for one especially Harem Genre.)
Well, if we're cutting out tall as a requirement, the name really does have issues, and it's also now kind of down to aloof girl.
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From what I know of the characters listed on the page, even several of the ones Sackett labeled as correct, some of them only fit the dark hair part or the aloof part but not both.
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No... I was just saying they can be normalish size especially in animes that focus on a somewhat normal height range not every Japanese person hits 170cm.... being short is out of the question though. (Unless it is inverting the standard Yuri Tall, Dark and Bishoujo / Short Moe girl (Fangirl sometimes) Moe Couplet or "Romantic" Two-Girl Friendship pairing.) these tend to be the ones that get the "Onee-sama" from non relatives too.
The discription covers the character type decently well.
While it might not be fair to say that trouble follows her everywhere, it's accurate for most cases of the type. This sometimes causes an undeserved reputation as a delinquent.
Often the target of one or more Schoolgirl Lesbians. If she is one herself, expect her to have a more-or-less Moe or Shrinking Violet girlfriend.
The term was coined to describe Azuma Hazuki of Yami To Boushi To Hon No Tabibito, playing on the old description of a man as "Tall, Dark, and Handsome". However, this is not a purely physical characterization; the aloofness is a key aspect of the trope.
This character type crosses over rather regularly with the Ojou, Kuudere, and occasionally the Tsundere. Feel free to compare the examples.
Big examples that come to mind off hand would be Sakaki in Azumanga Daioh, Senjogahara in Bakemono, Saori in Ore Imo. I would even put Lilly from Katawa Shoujo in this catagory even though Phenotype Stereotype is in effect.
edited 29th Jan '12 6:39:38 AM by Raso
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I think the question is what does "tall" mean.
In my opinion in the original Tall Dark And H Andsome it means at least "taller than the woman," and usually "taller then the other men."
For Tall, Dark and Bishoujo it means "taller then the other girls." With "other girls" usually meaning the secondary and background characters that surround her. She is still usually shorter then the man.
edited 29th Jan '12 7:54:17 AM by Sackett
How she compares to the guy isn't really the point. She simply needs to be taller than other girls. Tall girls are usually noted.
Yeah, she's just tall compared to the other girls. Guys don't matter for this.
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Yes, but because she's usually shorter then the guy, (for other reasons outside this trope), she tends to have an upper bound on her height.
Thus an average height girl can be used, as long as the girls around her are shorter.
Tall is a relative term anyway. And for the example that brought this up, Tohsaka Rin, she isn't that tall even relative to the other girls. It's never commented upon.
I think being tall (at least relative to other girls) is key to the trope, and that this height is either obvious from just seeing them all interact, or in a medium that makes it hard to tell such as literature it has to be commented upon that they're surprisingly tall.
Well there are a few other methods.
Focusing camera shots and angles on long legs can be a way of making a girl seem taller.
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No they are Tall, Dark Haired (usually I have run across a few that have lighter hair. [1]
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◊) Aloof, composed usually kinda intimidating at least at first, most will have a Hidden Heart of Gold when people get to know them even if they never attempted to hide it.
That Intimidation aspect might get her an undeserved rep as a Japanese Delinquent and or get a fanclub of girls due to their beauty [3]
◊ but have a big tendency to actually love cute things and/or be very friendly and usually have a Moe girl best friend (Moe Couplet). (although having a controller type / bring them down to earth girl friend is getting common for these girls like Hibiki in Amagami SS and such.)
They might be The Ojou but they certainly do not have to be one Sakaki from Azumanga Daioh certainly isnt one and she is pretty much the non-Yuri poster child of this trope.... Haruka Lovely Morishima from Amagami SS certainly is one and is very much in this trope.
edited 19th Mar '12 3:39:56 PM by Raso
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Not an ojou. Aloof. Everyone agrees (I think) that the trope includes an aloof girl who is nonetheless quite popular. The question is whether their appearance has anything to do with the trope and if so, how much?
edited 19th Mar '12 3:37:19 PM by Arha
I think the appearance has quite a bit too do with the trope. Every example I can think of has long dark (or a colour used to stand in for dark) hair, is quite tall (another thing to set them apart), and is looked up to/admired despite the fact that they're rather distant from the rest of their peers.
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Well most are dark I can think of at least one in Heartcatch Precure who has lighter hair and is this her introduction episode shows how much she hates it, she is a Model and thus becomes an outsider from her school and even her sister, at least initially she spends most of the series trying to break out of this trope....
Her only real friend is the a completely straight example of this, Broken Bird, Kuudere, Loner, Badass, seen as kinda scary, gets scouted a model, with Dark Purple hair and their interaction is quite like the way Tall, Dark and Bishōjo and their partner go but switching back and forth throughout the series.
God Playing with a Trope much... (the series gives me headaches for how much it plays with tropes.)
Anyway Long hair is an absolute must (at least half way down the back), dark hair there is the rare exception but is usually there, Being tall is usually a must too.
edited 19th Mar '12 4:27:40 PM by Raso
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Ok, so in general the trope as defined is okay. Tall, dark haired and aloof girl who people are nonetheless drawn to for one reason or another and in one way or another. This thread has been going a long time, so I forget: Have we done a wick check or attempted a rename yet? We'll also need cleanup regardless of anything we do regarding the name.
edited 19th Mar '12 4:27:42 PM by Arha
I did a wick check earlier in the thread. (see posts 4
and 12.) Most of the wicks I checked were Zero Context Examples.
edited 19th Mar '12 7:14:07 PM by MyTimingIsOff
Do wicks from character pages really count as "zero context"?
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Currently, Tall Dark And Bishoujo appears to have a large deal of misuse that follows a pattern of interpreting the title literally and not including the personality aspects inherent to the trope. The following suggestions for remedying the problem have been brought forward.
I have to say I feel like this trope is pretty understandable as is. I can think of real life examples. Mary Ruth was a girl I knew in college. Long dark hair, legs a mile long, active in activities with others but always had this aura of being separate from the rest, a bit more mature, a bit more composed. All the guys wanted her (she literally had 6 guys show up at her apartment at the same time trying to convince her to go to a dance with them). The girls all respected her and would go to her for advice about anything.
I'm sure most of us know of at least one girl like that. This trope is basically the exaggerated Hollywood version (and for some reason it's particularly popular in anime).
The name is actually pretty good I think. As the personality in the trope Tall, Dark and Bishoujo is also part of the personality associated with the Tall, Dark, and Handsome man. Tall Dark and Handsome often means a man who sticks out as separate, a little aloof and above all the other men. (Think Rhett Butler). The other variation on Tall, Dark, and Handsome is the bad boy delinquent... and that is also in the Tall, Dark and Bishoujo description as a variant.