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Split into 'Library that has everything' and 'Magical library': The Library Of Babel get usage counts

 76 Oreochan, Tue, 8th May '12 2:19:05 PM from Pennsylvania
I just launched Magical Library. I'm now in the process of moving some of the examples and wicks from Library of Babel.
"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."
 77 Oreochan, Tue, 15th May '12 12:54:43 PM from Pennsylvania
So, are we going to send Great Big Library of Everything to the YKTTW since it's being split from Library of Babel or are we just going draft a new description and move the article to Great Big Library of Everything?

edited 2nd Jul '12 11:22:17 AM by Oreochan

"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."
 78 ccoa, Sun, 17th Jun '12 9:08:40 AM from the Sleeping Giant
Ravenous Sophovore
What's left to do here?
Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
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Looks to me like what's left is to provide an answer to oreochan's last question, and then implement that answer. I think draft-and-move is probably a simpler and more straight-forward solution, unless we don't have enough examples to fit. (I haven't checked.)
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 80 Oreochan, Mon, 2nd Jul '12 11:42:27 AM from Pennsylvania
Yep, the next thing left to do is to write up a new description and fix the wicks. I don't relly have time to write a draft though.
"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."
 81 ccoa, Tue, 14th Aug '12 7:20:44 AM from the Sleeping Giant
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Are we going to implement this, or do we need to roll back any changes and shelve this discussion?
Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
 82 Septimus Heap, Tue, 14th Aug '12 8:40:32 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
 83 Oreochan, Fri, 24th Aug '12 6:50:35 AM from Pennsylvania
It probably needs revising, since I don't think it's all that good. I'll make a better description soon.
"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."
 84 Oreochan, Thu, 6th Dec '12 11:44:35 PM from Pennsylvania
The reason why I didn't post my revised description as soon as I wantedwas that I had computer issues, a lot of family and personal problems (I still have that now). I was also discouraged because I seemed to be the one doing most of work. But I don't care about not having any assistance now; this thread is almost two years old and it's clear to me that it won't go nowhere without me providing the description I promised to make. I just want this thread to move on and be resolved.

So, without further ado, here's my porposed description with elements borrowed from my previous one here and shima's post here. I'm really tired, so my punctuation, grammar and syntax will look a little off. I'll try to fix that whenever I wake up. Any help with it will be greatly appreciated:

A library that contains any informational source no matter how useful and is probably the largest and most elaborate library known to man. This labrythian library seems to be a natural breeding spot for Macguffins and it has just about all of life's secrets and answers. The Great Big Book of Everything, Big Book of War, Reality-Writing Book, Portal Book, and chronoscopes along other things can all be found here. Because of it's wealth of knowledge, the library is a very valuable information resource for the main cast. It's also relatively easy to access so it gets a sizable amount of visitors.

In more action oriented works, heroes and villains alike all want to go for its infinite amount of knowledge and MacGuffins. The two opposing sides might even have an all out brawl in the library to claim information that is necessary for their goal, in this process the library might get destroyed or heavily damaged. If one of the two sides finally finds the book or artifact they were looking for after this struggle, they may find out that it was a Blank Book all along.

In sci-fi works, however, the library tends to be quite well publicized and it's often it's a big tourist destination.

edited 7th Dec '12 4:06:25 PM by Oreochan

"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."
 85 Another Duck, Fri, 7th Dec '12 2:03:37 AM from Stockholm Relationship Status: Chocolate!
No, the other one.
Let's see, editing some minor stuff.

A library that contains any informational source no matter how useful, and is probably the largest and most elaborate library known to man. This labyrinthian library seems to be a natural breeding spot for MacGuffins and it has just about all of life's secrets and answers. The Great Big Book of Everything, Big Book of War, Reality-Writing Book, Portal Book, and chronoscopes along with other things can all be found here. Because of its wealth of knowledge, the library is a very valuable information resource for the main cast. It's also relatively easy to access so it gets a sizable amount of visitors.

In more action oriented works, heroes and villains alike all want to go for its infinite amount of knowledge and MacGuffins. The two opposing sides might even have an all out brawl in the library to claim information that is necessary for their goal, and in this process the library might get destroyed or heavily damaged. If one of the two sides finally finds the book or artifact they were looking for after this struggle, they may find out that it was a Blank Book all along.

In sci-fi works, however, the library tends to be quite well publicized, and it's often a big tourist destination.

Question: Does it need to be easily accessible, or is that just common?
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 86 Oreochan, Fri, 7th Dec '12 7:06:26 AM from Pennsylvania
[up]It doesn't necessarily need to be easily accessible but it's common for it to be. In some works, it's located you wouldn't expect it to be and it will take some searching to get there.
"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."
 87 shimaspawn, Fri, 7th Dec '12 7:18:31 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
[up] Agreed. It's just as often that they spend a long arc searching for it. Or it's been lost for centuries but they stumble upon it because it's Tuesday. How is this?

A library that contains any informational source no matter how useful, and is probably the largest and most elaborate library known to man. This labyrinthian library seems to be a natural breeding spot for MacGuffins and it has just about all of life's secrets and answers. The Great Big Book of Everything, Big Book of War, Reality-Writing Book, Portal Book, and chronoscopes along with other things can all be found here. Because of its wealth of knowledge, the library is a very valuable information resource for the main cast. It's also relatively easy to access so it gets a sizable amount of visitors.

Often times this is guarded by a Magic Librarian or other force. Sometimes there will be a struggle with another group trying to obtain the same information, sometimes in a physical fight, but just as often with a Battle of Wits. If you're lucky, you'll find what you need. If you're not, it may turn out to be a Blank Book all along.

In many works, this setting is either very hard to get to, long forgotten, or rumoured to be a myth. In sci-fi and High Fantasy works, however, the library can be quite well publicized, and it's sometimes a big tourist destination.

edited 7th Dec '12 7:54:27 AM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 88 Oreochan, Fri, 7th Dec '12 7:51:49 AM from Pennsylvania
That looks much better, shima.
"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."
 89 shimaspawn, Fri, 7th Dec '12 8:01:51 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
I think we can keep the page quote and image. So that leads us to Magical Library.

There's a long association between books and magic. Those who have magic tend to be among the most learned and intelligent in setting and that goes hand in hand with reading and books. Is it any wonder then that libraries would pick up that same association with magic?

The Magical Library is a setting where books and magic come together to create a repository of knowledge and power. Often times these libraries are strange and fantastical with a Magic Librarian and books that seem to take on a life of their own. This is a must have in a Wizarding School or a Mage Tower.

May also be a Great Big Library of Everything if it's large enough.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 90 Oreochan, Fri, 7th Dec '12 1:33:41 PM from Pennsylvania
[up] I'll think that will be good for Magical Library. I didn't get much feedback on the description in the YKTTW despite asking twice.

Is everyone still on set for turning "Library Of Babel" a disambiguation for Magical Library, Great Big Library of Everything, and The Library of Babel? If so, I'll create one as soon as Great Big Library of Everything is created and The Library of Babel is cleaned up.

edited 7th Dec '12 2:43:14 PM by Oreochan

"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."
 91 Septimus Heap, Fri, 7th Dec '12 1:35:38 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Yes, turn it into a disambiguation.

 92 shimaspawn, Fri, 7th Dec '12 1:39:04 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Yes, turn it into a disambig.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
Clarification. Does Great Big Library of Everything need to literally (magically) have every work ever made, or just be really really mindbogglingly huge?

Is Magical Library also the place for "library of spellbooks" ?

edited 7th Dec '12 3:23:05 PM by ArcadesSabboth

Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
 94 shimaspawn, Fri, 7th Dec '12 3:24:33 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
[up] It doesn't need to be literally everything, but it needs to be effectively everything. It should be a big deal if something isn't there.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
Thanks.

And, hmm looking at the description's comment about the internet, this may need specifying that it's a library in one physical location, not a diffused one stored on 324963790320 separate supercomputers that happens to have collected a bazillion things.
Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
 96 shimaspawn, Fri, 7th Dec '12 3:32:54 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
The internet does not count as it is not a location. Also it doesn't have a reasonable fraction of everything.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 97 Another Duck, Fri, 7th Dec '12 3:35:28 PM from Stockholm Relationship Status: Chocolate!
No, the other one.
My point about accessibility was that we shouldn't simply write that it is easily accessible if it's not a necessary trait. A small point, but things have gotten stuck on minor wordings like that before. Just adding a "usually" or "tends to be" would be enough.
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 98 shimaspawn, Fri, 7th Dec '12 3:38:09 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
[up] We didn't in the last draft of it.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
[up][up]Yeah, the description doesn't seem to actually say it has to be a single physical location. It should.
Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
 100 Oreochan, Wed, 12th Dec '12 11:52:11 AM from Pennsylvania
Okay, since the only remaining complaint (as far as I can tell) is that we need t ospecify that this trope is only for physical places... How's this note?

A library that contains any informational source no matter how useful, and is probably the largest and most elaborate library known to man. This labyrinthian library seems to be a natural breeding spot for Mac Guffins and it has just about all of life's secrets and answers. The Great Big Book of Everything, Big Book of War, Reality Writing Book, Portal Book, and chronoscopes along with other things can all be found here. Because of its wealth of knowledge, the library is a very valuable information resource for the main cast. It's also relatively easy to access so it gets a sizable amount of visitors.

Often times this is guarded by a Magic Librarian or other force. Sometimes there will be a struggle with another group trying to obtain the same information, sometimes in a physical fight, but just as often with a Battle of Wits. If you're lucky, you'll find what you need. If you're not, it may turn out to be a Blank Book all along.

In many works, this setting is either very hard to get to, long forgotten, or rumoured to be a myth. In sci-fi and High Fantasy works, however, the library can be quite well publicized, and it's sometimes a big tourist destination.

Please note that the library has to be a physical establishment and is located in a single place. Things such as the internet (which doesn't have a reasonable fraction of anything anyway) do not count.
"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."

Alternative Titles: The Library Of Babel
13th Feb '12 10:49:34 AM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the name will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of Crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative names.
At issue:
Previous crowner showed consensus support for making "library of everything" and "magical library" tropes. This crowner is for voting on the name of the "library of everything" trope which will take on the concept of a library that contains every work in existence.
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