Subtle distinction or clone?: Pink Is Badass

I came across this when giving it a page type. Pink Is Badass seems (to me) virtually identical to Real Men Wear Pink. The sole distinction seems to be that the former is the Distaff Counterpart. This feels...unnecessary? I suggest that either Real Men Wear Pink is rewritten (not renamed, though) to include female examples and Pink Is Badass be cut, or that they get added to the Canonical List of Subtle Trope Distinctions and become Sister Tropes. What do you guys think?

You're confusing Real Men Wear Pink with just wearing the color, and forgetting that Pink Means Badass includes girls.

...No? I was saying that Real Men Wear Pink involves the coexistence of wearing pink with masculinity and/or badassery (my point being that so does Pink Is Badass), and I explicitly mentioned that Pink Is Badass includes girls.

edited 30th Aug '11 3:22:33 PM by BooleanEarth

If you read it carefully, you'll find Real Men Wear Pink isn't about wearing pink much in the same way that Kick the Dog isn't about kicking cute little puppies. Unfortunately, the Example as a Thesis makes that unclear. The description could use cleanup.

edited 30th Aug '11 3:30:18 PM by troacctid

Cut this thing or send it back to YKTTW on principle, the person launched with only 6 replies and those dubious, in the least amount of time possible. I specifically remember this being in YKTTW only a few day ago.

I swear, we should increase the time something has to be in YKTTW to a week and pages should get automatic bumps, everyday, so people can just let it laze and then launch it when the time is up no matter what crap it is. And it should have to have at least 10 examples rather than 3.

edited 30th Aug '11 6:20:00 PM by NoirGrimoir

Some people are under the impression that it must be launched after three days, which is ridiculous.

Well let's make sure this is a valid trope first. If it is, then we can just repair it (and a better name, something like "Badass In Pink").

I'm not entirely convinced that "Badass...but wearing pink!" is a trope. Badass <anything> has historically resulted in a lot of The Same But More Specific tropes that we don't need. This one feels a lot like one of the ones we don't need. We have quite a few tropes that already use the same space, including Real Men Wear Pink, for which legitimate examples of this trope should have lots of overlap, and Pink Means Feminine/Pink Is for Sissies, for which this trope is just the Playing With: Defied Edition.

Looking at the examples, I'm familiar with the Power Rangers, Powerpuff Girls, and Soul Calibur examples, and none of them seem notable. The Powerpuff Girls are a Chromatic Arrangement; Blossom, the girl listed in the example, is actually the brains of the team, not the brawn (Buttercup, green, is the tough one). The pink Power Ranger is in a team where everyone is a different color; she's not any more badass than any other member of the team. And all of the pink Soul Calibur costumes are alternate costumes—not even the characters' main outfits.

I do not think this is tropable. I would vote to cut it.

I guess that was kind of my entire point. It seems like any legitimate examples of this "trope" would fall under Real Men Wear Pink, which would make it just The Same But More Specific, in which case the trope is basically "literal examples of Real Men Wear Pink, but with women." I'm not sure we need that.

edited 31st Aug '11 8:33:44 PM by BooleanEarth

I think so too I mean looking at the examples... Precure? I mean sure the show is pretty much a Magical Girl show running on Dragon Ball Z level of action and the most girls usually have at least a tiny bit of pink in most their outfits... However Heartcatch Precure the weakest Precure ever wears pink... and the strongest in that series does not wear any pink.

The leads always wear pink.

If I were to pin anything on it I would say the whole Red Is A Heroic Color concept but for girls its Pink.

edited 1st Sep '11 3:18:26 AM by Raso

That sounds much more tropable anyway. So should I put this on the cutlist?

Real Men Wear Pink is that a guy does something unmasculine, but is masculine despite that. This could be redone as a woman giving all the appearances of being feminine, but badass despite that. And the color wouldn't matter.

If we did that , it would need a new name and a new definition and new examples, at which point we're looking at basically cutting this trope and building a new one from the ground up.

That's true, but it does seem like what we should do. Plus, the new trope could be a nice reversal of Real Women Never Wear Dresses. I'm going to add this to the cut list. One of you could YKTTW the new trope and put it here if you want.

x4 yeah I am unsure on how to trope that really. We don't really have a trope for Red Is A Heroic Color (which is mostly a Japanese thing), Red-Headed Hero (which actually stems from the Red is seen as heroic concept.)

Pink being an Analog for red is not really unusual Rose Haired Girl can be just the same as a Fiery Red Head or a target for Heroes Want Redheads yada.

Magical Girl and series along those lines (aka Shojo) Pink is the lead and Red is usually The Lancer or a Red Oni, Blue Oni Color-Coded for Your Convenience with pink instead of red.

Off the top off my head

Pink leads... Every single Precure series ([1] seriously they all wear pink the only one who is not a lead is a Sixth Ranger and the lead for that series still wears pink and black.), Nanoha's Wolkenritter, Madoka Magica, Power Puff Girls, Sailor Moon while not having any pink in her actual outfit still gets the Pink motif Nanoha same thing.

Red Leads... almost every Sentai series I can think of, Dante in Devil May Cry, Zala team in Gundam Seed and a ton of other Char Clone.

I guess it would be related to Chromatic Arrangement somewhat.

edited 1st Sep '11 10:10:18 PM by Raso

There's no All in Heroes Want Redheads.

"Red Is A Heroic Color" is mentioned under Good Colors, Evil Colors, just so you know.

Maybe we could add something about this to that page, then?

Hmm add a bullet under pink saying "Magical Girl and Shoujo (Maybe not 100% on that) works pink is an analog for red", just add The Hero under pink or "The Hero (Magical Girl)".

Or just YKTTW a separate Pink Is The New Red for this and Rose Haired Girl for its slightly more girly version of all the Red head tropes (Heroes Want Redheads, Green-Eyed Redhead Fiery Redhead etc)

Trope got deleted. This is done.