Awful name: New Crowner 10/24/11: Dropped A Bridget On Him

Of course its Fan Myopia, did you miss the part where I specifically indicated Anime and Videogame fandoms? Trust me, I was there.

Right now I'm just saying that the name is not entirely without merit, and considering the problems we're having come up with acceptable alternatives, I was pointing out why the name is not terrible.

Did the google search for "bridget". Five out of the first ten results mention the trope.

That's... Not too bad. Certainly atypical for character named tropes.

Despite Shima's mild objection to its ambiguity, Gender Mixup Surprise is still an improvement over the current name, IMO, for anyone who's not a fan of whatever the original work might have been. Gender Mixup Shock might get the idea across better.

No objections to a misuse check, though I'm also curious about how underused this fairly obscure name might be, especially in works that aren't vaguely related to the work the name is from. Examples from, say, British comedies with Wholesome Crossdressers would say a lot about this trope's acceptance.

wow, my google results were way different. I didn't see any mention of the trope, though I did see a couple mentions of Guilty Gear. (Is that the trope namer?) I got four for Bridget Marquardt (some ex-playboy bunny tv star, I think) and two for actress Bridget Moynahan, plus a wikipedia disambiguation page.

edited 21st Aug '11 10:49:50 PM by Xtifr

Google is, for lack of a better term, trolling us.

Well, all right. I am neutral on this issue. Let the chips fall where they may.

edited 22nd Aug '11 1:34:18 AM by TripleElation

The problem is that maybe the one thing a certain character is known for is the trope, so a lot of the google results using this name will mention this trope. But this doesn't help, because we want to know whether people outside of certain circles associate the trope with this character. So the proper way of deciding whether the character is a good trope namer would be a google search of the trope and seeing how many results mention the character.

Considering the fact, that there are often no real defined terms for the tropes (otherwise we would use this term) this is of course not easy.

I don't feel that the Namer should be considered in this discussion. That's not what makes the title work. It's funny for everybody who sees it, if you read my related post. And it works, serving to be a clear title fairly well. The real problem is, entertaining trope titles are vanishing like flies. Shouldn't we be stopping this onslaught of blandness?

EDIT: Here it is. "When you think about it, the wit isn't all that obscure. If you're familiar with This Very Wiki, you'd get the pun quickly. No harm done. However, if you aren't familiar with us and our sense of humor, the joke, and the ease of understanding, still exist. If you know the game, you can chuckle freely, because you are in the know. If you don't understand either reference, it STILL makes sense, because the name implies that there is a sort of shock when it comes to The Reveal. Had you not known the gender of the person in question, somebody has "dropped a Bridget on you". It's an easily understood name, with many layers of appreciable humor. Don't get rid of it for the sake of removing it."

edited 22nd Aug '11 5:10:17 PM by kroozer101

Clear, concise, witty in that order.

Yeah. It isn't even that witty to begin with. Sounds like a man being crushed by an obese woman.

Transgender Mind Screw would be pretty clear. Although the in-wiki connotations of Mind Screw may make that undesirable.

Maybe another thing would be to take a cure from the titles like Ho Yay and Les Yay and do something like Trans Whoa. But that's pretty crappy, too.

edited 22nd Aug '11 5:39:39 PM by ArtemisStrong

Gender Mixup Shock sounds just fine.

That Hot Chick Is A Crossdresser?

I just figured out why this trope is Always Male — the Double Standard. When a female is shown to be crossdressing, it's almost always portrayed positively (even heroically). When a male does it, it's always portrayed negatively, as creepy, or even pedophilic. (The last point sounding like an etymology for the term "trap")

edited 22nd Aug '11 5:48:55 PM by Stratadrake

That's it exactly.

Although it can be positive. But even in super Gay Friendly movies like Hedwig And The Angry Inch, this sort of confusion is portrayed as always disastrous. The relationship that leads to Hedwig's "angry inching" is a direct result of Hed being mistaken for a girl (though he's just a very pretty man, and not crossdressing, transgender, or anything else at that point, it still plays much the same way).

Not always... There are a few manga and a lot of hentai that put this in a different light.

Although it almost always used to get the girl. Minami Ke comes to mind for manga and anime. And for Hentai A Wish Of My Sister by the same author as Aki Sora.

edited 22nd Aug '11 6:00:12 PM by Raso

Then they aren't this trope and shouldn't be listed.

I think he meant they show the shock and everything normally, but the guy gets over it instead of being like "Now my life is ruined, I can't love you because I'll always think of you as a guy!" I think that's perfectly valid. Unless you're saying that this trope must be an extremely negative reaction the guy doesn't get over, which seems overly strict.

Oh, yeah, the guy can get over it. That's after the trope. There just can't be The Reveal followed by immediate makeouts without any hesitation.

That... that... Lemme just say I'm not gay, but that description gave me pause.

Anyway, is there any sort of consensus on this yet? Is it time for a vote? If so, what are we voting on?

No I was thinking more general. no actual example comes to mind of Guy dresses as a girl to get a guy they guy is then shocked after the reveal but the it Its You So Its Ok (it probably happens in BL) it could happen in Gender Bender shows and almost has in To Love RU except the reveal was prevented (the guy was a Anything That Moves type.). Gender flipped though?... More than a few Bifauxnen

However I have seen more than a few Guy dresses as a girl to get the girl and the reveal happens the girl is shocked but then Its You So Its Ok or even worse the girl likes it better than if he went to dressing as a guy.

edited 22nd Aug '11 6:24:34 PM by Raso

Yeah, that makes sense. We just had some wires crossed. I think some hentai does have the "immediate makeout" version (including at least one following an accidental Gender Bender), but most are as the trope intended: Freak out, take some time to calm down, and then probably love interest.

I think we need to make sure we have the definition ironed out, then we can do a wick check for misuse. Then a rename crowner.

Cool. I think what bothers me still is that just a cursory scan of the Hedwig And The Angry Inch page (which for some reason I hadn't looked at until ten minutes ago, shame on me) reveals there is a scary amount of overlap on some of these related Bent Gender tropes.

edited 22nd Aug '11 6:24:46 PM by ArtemisStrong

Well, there doesn't seem to be many people arguing we should keep the current name, but we should probably put up the single proposition crowner soon anyway.

The only D I have for the name is I have heard this used quite a bit elsewhere (a Detective Conan fansite is the only one that really comes to mind, that one case involving this trope sticks out in your mind). And a few directly referencing us. Some just using Bridget as shorthand for this.

And I think it's a good name. Renaming for the sake of renaming doesn't sit too well with me. But that's just my opinion.

Its A Trap though is far more Memetic and famous than Bridget.

edited 22nd Aug '11 6:34:54 PM by Raso

No way. Its A Trap is not used exclusively for crossdressers (take several videos on That Guy With The Glasses). It would fit an index or Super-Trope about traps better.

...is that literally, or metaphorically?