General Digimon Topic

I know this is like 4 pages old, but Pokemon dont have "Especific Evolutions" where did you get that? Lots of Pokemon have alternate evolutions most famously (but not limited to) Evee. Sorry. It really irked me.

It's not nearly the same case. Eevee came out before Digimon itself, likely inspiring the idea of multiple evolution paths.

However, no Pokemon can de-evolve, nor can two Pokemon go into the same one like Digimon can. They're highly different in how evolution paths are done.

The generation 6 Pokémon games added Mega Evolution which is reversible and has been compared to Digivolution. It's closer to Burst Mode.

edited 13th Apr '15 12:05:49 AM by Ghostninja109

Well, a temporary evolution is different.

Should've noted that normal permanent ones couldn't be de-evolved in Pokemon.(I think the card game allowed it?)

Mega Evolution is actually identical to Blast Evolution(Digivice usage) and Burst Mode(in how their physical body changes without completely making them look new. It always looks like a basic upgrade to their current design. Almost like armor or very few changes, as the body shape is very similar. Blast Evolution doesn't always do this, of course, same as normal Evolution can indeed completely change a Pokemon. Magikarp to Gyarados is a good example of this. Mega Gyarados does look like a normal Burst Mode).

edited 13th Apr '15 12:20:07 AM by Irene

Isn't de-evolution unnatural though? I think it's only because the heroes's digivolution is caused by the digivices that they can de-evolve at all.

In the original V-pets and the first playstation game, evolution is irreversable. The whole reason the Japanese version calls the stages Baby —> Child —> Adult is because your digimon is growing up, so evolution is naturally irreversable. Perfect doesn't fit in there, but it was originally meant to be a secret stage that only few digimon could reach through dedicated effort; most would die as adults. In the DS game you need to get a key item before you can de-evolve, further proving that it's unnatural.

The anime rarely shows natural evolutions, but there have been hints that this is the case. Leomon remarks that it's odd that he can change between his champion stage and SaberLeomon, and states that it's because he was exposed to the light of the digivices. Xros Wars outright states that evolution normally takes a long time, and that Shoutmon's super evolution is something special.

Naturally evolved Digimon can also revert from taking too much damage or losing energy, I'm fairly sure.

Final egg is up. Don't forget to Nade Nade it.

Overall, the game mechanics in tons of Digimon games allow you to de-evolve too. It's not always a permanent thing like it is in Pokemon. It sometimes is, but the idea of de-evolving to reach a new form later is a major part of the series that is played with constantly. Especially after a Dark Evolution(Skull Greymon, for instance).

Speaking of, I feel that the Dark Evolutions could be more interesting if they were learned to be controlled instead of being used as a simple tool to "learn a lesson" to get a better form later, then never show up in the same season. We had to wait till Adventure 02 to see the same Skull Greymon again(and it was used the same way, albeit Black Metal Greymon was no less a Dark Evolution, but it was closer to his natural Ultimate).

I think normal slide evolution could be a good one to use in Tri. It's not actually noted outside of the movies for normal Digimon whatsoever, so it's new for anything that isn't a Hybrid. I would like to see a new Digivolution method, though, but this is something that could be very fun to use, and provide tons of strategy. Like Skull Greymon gathering information among the bad guys. BTW, were any new Digimon revealed for Tri yet?

Of course, I think every level expanding in number up to five adults in only to shrink to three ultimates was an inherent game flaw for a toy selling itself on the idea everyone would end up raising a different monster. Once you actually figure out how to get ultimates, there's little replay value, which is also problematic since your monster will inevitably die. Should have just let you get a wider variety of ultimates so long as you didn't make mistakes.

As an alternative, I think the franchise would also be better even with the two extra levels if it was, as a whole, more like V-tamer, which I think worked around them well. Levels were simply a reality to deal with, rather than check marks to hit. Ultimates were a sign of mastery on the part of the tamer(just like for the reader), clashes between them could potentially destabilize the world and tamers had to think harder as fights usually became trickier at that level. Really, from C-mon, the point that the Bun couldn't evolve but defeated a Perfect because his tamer cheated to get their and completely squandered his power by underestimating how well it's opponent was trained, kind of makes the seasonal level hike that later became the norm feel like a broken Aesop.

It didn't work in the v-pets, but I would have preferred if their weren't so many Ultimates. Really makes it feel they aren't so rare.

Well I meant to say five adults to three perfects. I typed ultimates because that was the English term for perfect, which the Japanese version decided to use for the new level.

But it really doesn't matter in practice. You just went from having five perfects instead of five adults depending on how you raised your monster and then you options shrinking back to three ultimate level monsters instead. In essence, instead of offering new game play, the v-pets just went into the tried and true tradition of Power Creep, otherwise known as The Same But More.

Okay, that's not entirely fair, there was a new mechanic in jogress, but as said, its purpose of simply selling more devices couldn't be more transparent. It didn't actually add much incentive to restart once you could get megas. It could have lead to a much larger tree of branching evolution options.

Another oddity was all the palette swap monsters, considering 90s v-pets were still monochrome. Ironic Monochromon would end up being one of the most blatant offenders (Vermillimon!).

Just about every single series that has monsters have palette swaps. I fail to see how it's honestly a problem. All it provides is more fun lines to go with, especially for adaptions and fanfiction/roleplays. It's not unusual that people don't want lines to be mixed in the same season as is. The more the better. They can also be very unique even just being a color swap. Black War Greymon was awesome.

And I love that they went beyond Perfect. It gave more options for players as is, made Warp Evolution feel more unique than just "skip a level", and as shown, opened up all kinds of things like Burst Mode and Mode Changes. I really don't see how it made the series worse at all.

As for Mega Evolution, it was a fun concept that gives an excuse to go beyond Stage 2 as is without directly copying the idea of a 4 level creature(Rookie > Champion > Ultimate > Mega). Because it's just like the Burst Mode, it's not like going into the Mega level at all, but just a temporary upgrade. Obviously it's near identical to Blast Evolution too, but the idea is they're an upgrade to the current Pokemon, which is how Burst Mode works. Likewise, obviously Digimon copied Eevee when it came to "alternate paths". And Pokemon copied Burst Mode in return. The thing is, they were all done in a very different way anyway.

That, and I love the fact that Double Warp Digivolution is a proper term now. Makes it easier if you skip more than one level just to add the proper number(Triple, Quadruple, etc.) and all.

You know, I'm really curious what Tri is going to be about. What will the challenge for the digidestined be?

These characters have already had their Character Development; their major problems have been resolved. Sure, they're older now, so they probably have new issues to overcome, but somehow I doubt that, say Izzy is going to have an issue as big as his adoption complex. I hope they find a good way to make these characters interesting again; I wouldn't want them to be Static Characters. Or worse, have their previous issues brought up again.

Secondly, I wonder what will challenge the digimon. They've all either reached the top of their lines or come close to it already. Will the series start out with mega level enemies, or will there be some limitations on their evolutions?

They did lose the crests at the end of Adventure 1, so maybe they need to find them again? And I suppose they could spend an episode per digidestined where they need to rediscover their respective virtues within themselves.

I'm thinking they'll finally tackle the issue of "everybody has a Digimon now, including evil people". It would be nice to again see a series where "Defeat the villain by force" isn't good enough of a solution.

Mark your calendars for May 6th because that's when we get a trailer for the new season amongst other things.

Got it.

Everyone, click Pabumon and Yuramon! Now!

http://digimon-adventure.net/

? Yuramon's egg is old and nothing new is added to it and I already said what was in Pabumon's egg.

Well by this point I'm just wondering if any anime series will show the same digimon going through different evolution lines.

I'm kind of wondering if a Digimon's digivolution line has something to do with their personality. Agumon from Savers is a lot more Hot-Blooded than Agumon from Adventure and while they have a similar theme in terms of Digivolutions, the actual forms are different. GeoGreymon is more aggressive-looking than Greymon. RizeGreymon has less armor than MetalGreymon, but has a gun instead of Wolverine Claws. ShineGreymon's powers are solar/light-based and his Burst Mode is fire-based in contrast with WarGreymon's abilities which either use Pure Energy or are physical attacks.

And that's why Shoutmon basically has Humongous Mecha forms.

Savers Agumon is a different model and achieves evolution through a different method. When Digisoul is used on an adventure style Agumon in Digimon Next, it becomes a Savers style Agumon and it's evolution changes from Greymon to GeoGreymon

That wouldn't stop it from being affected by the Digimon's personality, though the human whose Digisoul was used could potentially influence it as well.

Knowing Piedmon he'd probably just do whatever would make for the most "theatrical" experience. I mean, pretty much his entire reason for not killing the Digidestined on the spot with the other Dark Masters was to make it more like a play with four acts.

Hell, he probably doesn't even really need LadyDevimon as a minion, he just kept her around because villains are supposed to have minions.

That, and I'm sure the other 3 Dark Masters actually wanted a chance to fight. They are still a team overall. Although I doubt they'd cooperate well together, given the chance.