DEATH BATTLE

Arthas is a human Death Knight, whereas Artorias is... not human.Thing is, we don't have enough information on what Artorias and his equipment were like in their prime when he was a Knight of Gwyn and the Wolf Knight of Farron. The only version we have any info on is him post Abyss corruption, where he's unable to use his dominant arm but still fast, strong, and skilled enough to eff-up a lot of players.

Arthas becomes the Lich King who is much more than a human. Then again he overthrew Ner'Zhul who was actual mastermind behind plot of Warcraft 3. As of Wrath of the Litch King, Arthas is a bumbling, mustache twirling idiot whos master plan is letting one guy with holy sword strong enough to threaten him and his marry band of adventurers in his place in unnecasery I Need You Stronger plot. Oh, and, according to his novel, one of main reasons for his fall to darkness was his long dead horse.

Basically Arthas is a raging dumbass. I may love Warcraft 3 to no end, I may have never played Souls game, but if Arthas vs Artorias happens, I hope Artorias hands pretty boy his ass.

edited 27th Aug '16 11:49:00 PM by Prany

Arthas is able to take down armies of powerful warriors by himself. In the Icecrown raid he was weakened yet he is able to one shot the entire raid. He was going to win, until he decided to monologue

Then he got defeated by the Tirion empowered by the power of Blizzard's poor writing the light.

Also, Frostmourne is almost a guaranteed One-Hit Kill as it drains the souls of its victim, though i'm not sure if before or after he kills them. So unless Artorias is a ginger souless, maybe Arthas has it.

His Start of Darkness is much more complicated than "Hur dur my horse is ded". He actually was driven mad by his experience in the Culling of Stratholme and he had a serious case of Revenge Before Reason. The rest is history

edited 27th Aug '16 11:40:14 PM by fasoman1996

And before wiping raid, Arthas throws so much shit at players, it's just as if not more overwhelming than anything Artorias can do. If Arthas can tank few hits from Artorias (which is not unlikely) this starts looking like a stomp.

I know how Arthas's story goes. And the horse was redundant addition.

edited 27th Aug '16 11:50:21 PM by Prany

Plus, there's the whole "cannot be destroyed except at the place he was created" (the Frozen Throne, atop the central spire of Icecrown Citadel). Depending on how that gets interpreted, he could have Complete Immortality everywhere else, regardless of what you throw at him. Although it's more likely it's a case where his body can be harmed or destroyed, but he'll just regenerate back there, earning his Lich King title.

Hmm... maybe Nightmare would be a better opponent for Arthas after all. Or, sure, why not Siegfried? Given that SoulCalibur IV sprites are the apparently only ones that exist, he'd be wielding Soul Calibur, which gives him a Healing Factor and evil-purging crystal powers.

edited 28th Aug '16 4:26:56 AM by Arawn999

Thank you.

Siegfried is Arthas's perfect opponent, a mirror opposite:

• Both gave into swords that eliminate the wielder's soul.
• Both were holy knights/paladins in some forgotten age.
• Blonde-haired, blue-eyed, generic knight character.
• BLUE = major part of their color motif.

But the important distinction:

• Arthas gave himself over to Frostmourne's influence, Siegfried gave himself to Soul Edge's, but he came back from it and became a good guy again, taking up Soul Calibur. At least IIRTC. But "good knight with a giant blue bastard sword" vs "death knight with a giant blue bastard sword" is close enough, darn it!

Arthas got stronger as he gave into his corruption, as did Siegfried. While Artorias might be an epic boss, corruption weakened him. He can only use one arm. And thematically, "a redeemed knight vs a corrupted knight" sounds better to me than "corrupted death knight vs decrepit knight."

Plus there's nothing special about Artoria's sword far as this thread is telling me. Arthas and Siegfried both carry unique weapons of incredible power.

edited 28th Aug '16 9:12:39 AM by Soble

Well the fight boils down to if Siegfried can break Frostmourne. If he can then GG.

Another point is if he has a soul or not. You say that Soul Calibur can drain souls too but Arthas himself has no soul (Since it got drained by Frostmourne when he picked it up)

For the record, Soul Calibur is actually an Unholy Holy Sword due to being a full-on Knight Templar when it comes to fighting Soul Edge's evil.

edited 28th Aug '16 9:53:17 AM by MarqFJA

Siegfried does indeed have a soul, one that he fought very hard to reclaim. However, I would assume being bonded to Soul Calibur would let him resist having his soul sucked out and even if it was, Elysium would simply assume control and turn his body into her own crystalline version of Nightmare.

edited 29th Aug '16 12:24:39 AM by Arawn999

NEED A PREVIEW HEAH!

A buffer for a preview of an upcoming episode.

I get that it's policy, but sheesh. Imagine having to wait 2 days for a commercial to come on to announce the premiere date of a new episode of your favorite show. Here's the trailer that tells you when we'll release the trailer!

Alright not the same thing, but come on, same effect.

I don't even watch these anymore. Waiting for the real episode isn't hard.

At least this is better then when there weren't any previews at all. Reminds me of how excited I got at the end of Sam Gishers preview when they revealed the full episode would be out tomorrow instead of next week.

And Pokemon vs Digimon only having (I believe) a week-long wait, especially with the Smash Ballot Direct airing beforehand.

So Kratos vs Darkseid? How does this go?

Kratos is dead in five seconds, give or take two.

Yeah, Kratos wouldn't stand anything resembling a chance. It would be a worse curbstomp then Spawn vs Kratos was.

He wouldn't even have to move. He'd just wreck him with the Omega beams.

Also is anyone else surprised they haven't done Thanos vs Darkseid yet? It seems kinda obvious

There aren't any sprites for Darkseid that I know of. Thanos might have some from the Marvel vs Capcom games.

Darkseid does have a possible sprite, from one old SNES 2D fighting game in which all of the playable Justice League characters besides the one you're currently controlling have been replaced by robotic dupes, and you have to fight a few villains before you eventually discover that Darkseid is behind the whole thing, with him becoming the final boss.

For the record, one of the playable options is Green Arrow. Yeah, somehow a Badass Normal like him can defeat Darkseid in a straight fight. Not even Batman could do more than distract the guy; you need someone on at least Wonder Woman's league to stand a chance of lasting more than a minute against him, and even she has trouble. Superman is by far the only DC superhero I know of who actually has both the durability and the destructive power to fight Darkseid toe to toe and have a reasonable chance of winning.

edited 30th Aug '16 9:27:07 AM by MarqFJA

I believe the game you are speaking of is Justice League Task Force.

It also had Batman in it, so both him and Green Arrow have a chance to take a shot at Darkseid. It makes no sense, but it's fighting game, so what can you do.

Yeah, that game. And at least Batman is remotely believable because the guy is infamous for his complete willingness to use any technological advantage that doesn't cross his moral red lines, which is demonstrated in the What If? storyline of The Dark Knight Returns when he fields a high-tech suit of Powered Armor to fight Superman toe to toe (he eventually loses, but lasts much longer than you'd expect, especially since he's old and battered). Green Arrow doesn't have that; all he's got are his trick arrows. Even if he gets his hands on ones tipped with the New Gods' Kryptonite Factor, he just won't have a chance of shooting one. Batman on the other hand outmaneuvered the Omega Beams in the JLA's final confrontation with the villain in the Justice League Unlimited show, without using anything but his atheltic prowess and sheer luck (and a conveniently placed Parademon as an improvised shield).

edited 30th Aug '16 12:14:22 PM by MarqFJA

To be fair, in that story you mentioned, Ollie helped in that fight by hitting Superman with a Kryptonite tipped arrow at a critical moment....when he was hanging upside down....and had been shot earlier....while as old as Bruce.....and missing a fucking arm!

Plus, Justice League Unlimited also showed that he keeps a Quantum Arrow that's really powerful, even if it (and the one Speedy used at the same time) didn't stop the dude it was used on.

Wait, Batman outmaneuvering the Omega Beams (which not even the Flash has been able to dodge) is fine, but Oliver beating Darkseid is impossible?

Also, in the Dark Knight Returns, Batman fought and beat a weakened Superman who didn't want to fight. And Green Arrow was instrumental in his victory by shooting Clark with a Kryptonite arrow.

edited 30th Aug '16 2:50:34 PM by windleopard