Differentiate between this YKTTW and: Gender Flip

YKTTW Discussion

The proposed Gender Retcon is when a character's gender changes in an adaptation, or even in a new season.

Gender Flip is most often used on the wiki to describe a situation in which a female character plays a traditionally male role and/or vice-versa. However:

That's from the Gender Flip description. And it adequately summarizes Gender Retcon.

So what should we do? Keep it as-is and discard Gender Retcon, or split examples into Gender Retcon?

Discard Gender Retcon; we don't need a subtrope for everything.

I'll second discarding Gender Retcon.

Gender Flip is describing two vaguely related concepts: "This guy is playing a role that a girl usually plays" and "This guy was a girl in a previous adaptation." It would be better to split those concepts rather than keep them together.

Gender Flip found in: 931 articles, excluding discussions.

This title has brought 902 people to the wiki from non-search engine links since 20th FEB '09.

That's pretty good numbers, but we should still see how Gender Flip gets used most often.

edited 6th Jul '11 2:32:26 PM by SalFishFin

Discard Gender Retcon. It's a duplicate.

I'm positive we've got that trope somewhere. Let me check on Series.Starship Troopers or Film.Starship Troopers.

The concept of Gender Flip is really simple: "Here's a quick spin on an old story. Flip one or more male roles to the women and female roles to the men." It covers all sorts of degrees and reasons for doing it.

It can be in a remake, or a "reimagining" of an old work, or an adaptation, or simply flipping characters' genders in a standard plotline — Jerry Lewis's movie Cinderfella was a Gender Flipped Cinderella plot, Ebbie and Mrs Scrooge are GenderFliped versions of A Christmas Carol.

• Misused:
  • For Gender Bender
    • # Asu No Yoichi
    • # Kodomo No Jikan
    • # I Want Grandkids
    • # Recap.TV Tropes The Webcomic
  • For Rule 63
    • # Characters.Haruhi Suzumiya
    • # Mirror Universe— Same
    • # MUGEN- Same
    • # Only Six Faces
    • # Post-Kiss Catatonia
• "[[MALE CHARACTER]] is like [[FEMALE CHARACTER]] Or Vice Versa (may not technically be misuse, but putting it here anyway because I'm not sure)
  • # WMG.Digimon Tamers
  • # Excalibur
  • # The Spectacular Spider Man
  • # Game X Rush
  • # He-Man Woman Hater
  • # White-Dwarf Starlet
  • # Dude Looks Like a Lady
• No Idea:
  • # Oda Nobunaga
  • # Baby Got Back
  • # Lidsville
  • # Pretty Cure Original Characters

That's either 13 or 20 / 31 wicks.

edited 6th Jul '11 3:01:47 PM by SalFishFin

Right. Gender Flip by definition involves some sort of adaptation, though on occasion the "original" work might just be the first draft of a screenplay or something. I can't see any meaningful difference between Gender Flip and the YKTTW.

With regard to Gender Flip being misused, the misuse is almost undoubtedly due to our idiosyncratic trope names not matching up with outside use (which itself is highly inconsistent.) In the "outside world," "Gender Flip" tends to be used interchangeably for what we call Gender Bender, Gender Flip, or Rule 63.