The animalistic characteristics aren't really separate from the supernatural bit. I don't think they need to be split. A lot of the non-supernatural animalistic ones are really a stretch. Like Ed from Cowboy Bebop. She's not animalistic at all. She just is being shoehorned into trying to make her eyes fit the trope.
edited 5th Nov '12 10:29:01 PM by shimaspawn
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Ah, alright then. I will try to clean Red Eyes, Take Warning's examples, axe the real life sections and wicks tomorrow. I don't think the "counter examples" section needs a image. As a matter of fact, I don't think we need the section in the first place, since most of it is just people with red eyes or Kaleidoscope Eyes/ Colour Changing Eyes.
edited 6th Nov '12 1:09:50 AM by Oreochan
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Ugh, I think the counter examples is probably someone trying to save Kind Red Eyes that we cut for a reason. It looks like when the trope was cut they just decided to shoehorn their not a trope into the real one instead.
edited 5th Nov '12 10:54:57 PM by shimaspawn
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Hazel Eyes has been redirected to Brown Eyes as it has no tropes of it's own. Examples may count as Elemental Eye Colours, but should probably be deleted.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
I'm wondering if it is possible the Innocent Blue Eyes trope can be renamed to Shining Blue Eyes. The wording can cover heroic, energetic, and innocent characters instead of limiting it to specific qualities.
No. We are not widening these arbitrarily. The trope there is that blue eyes are innocent. If you start widening and widening you end up with just Blue Eyes again.
If people are using it for characters that are just Energetic or just Heroic and not Innocent, you should delete those entries. They're misuse.
edited 6th Nov '12 2:02:27 AM by shimaspawn
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
So I guess the options for Eyes of Gold would be either Gold Eyes Of Supernatural Power (or Supernatural Gold Eyes, but I think the first one sounds better) or Predatory Gold Eyes.
It's not predatory gold eyes since it covers Demons and Djinn and witches, not just werewolves. Supernatural Gold Eyes is the most concise and to the point.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
So regarding characters whose eyes change color and the change means something, what are the legitimate tropes that currently exist and will stay, or are being created via this splitting?
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Kaleidoscope Eyes which should really be Mood Ring Eyes to cut down on it's misuse. People seem to randomly use Technicolour Eyes for Eye Colour Change but that has nothing to do with it. It's just about Unnatural Eye Colours. All we have covered is Mood Ring Eyes.
edited 6th Nov '12 10:26:45 AM by shimaspawn
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
So Mood Ring Eyes means eye color signals emotional state. Would this cover "red eyes take warning, because they turn red when character is angry"?
Does that mean there's nothing for eye color change signalling possession, newly acquired supernatural powers, current use of supernatural powers, state of health, etc.?
edited 6th Nov '12 10:39:14 AM by ArcadesSabboth
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We are planning on making Colour Changing Eyes as a supertrope to Kaleidoscope Eyes, so the former it would cover all those uses that don't fit into the latter.
Red Eyes, Take Warning has nothing to do with eye colour changing.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
That's true, but Red Eyes, Take Warning is being misused for that since about half of the examples are "character's eyes turn/glow red when they become brainwashed/dangerous/angry".
"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."
That almost makes it look like eyes turning red is another subtrope of Color Changing Eyes, then.
Also, though I don't know if the misuse amount justifies it, I'd like to see Kaleidoscope Eyes moved to Mood Ring Eyes and the former name become a redirect for Color Changing Eyes instead.
edited 6th Nov '12 10:56:40 AM by ArcadesSabboth
Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
I think it should stay on Mood Ring Eyes. I also after further thought think that Eye Colour Change is a better name. It puts the focus on the event. Not just "so and so has these." Whatever we can do to encourage people to explain the trope is important.
edited 6th Nov '12 11:02:11 AM by shimaspawn
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Just removed a bunch of pointless colour shade redirects with no inbounds. We need a few more votes on Eyes of Gold.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
Added a vote.
By the way, what is the supertrope for Meaningful Eye Colour?
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Windows To The Soul, not to be confused with Windows of the Soul.
edited 7th Nov '12 12:54:24 PM by Oreochan
"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."
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Not to confuse the issue, but are there sufficient examples of using gold or yellow eyes on a human or humanoid to indicate animalistic or feral background or personality when there's no supernatural element to consider it a trope?
edited 7th Nov '12 1:10:17 PM by Madrugada
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
^^^What about Colour-Coded for Your Convenience? Hair Colors is a subtrope of that one, they are basically the same thing, right?
edited 7th Nov '12 1:12:19 PM by willthiswork
No, because I found Animal Eyes when I was poking around and that looks good enough.
Windows To The Soul is really badly defined and seems to be just general colour ranting with little to no symbolism on examples. Most of the true examples better fit Elemental Eye Colours.
Examples from Windows To The Soul are generally along the lines of this:
- Train from Black Cat has yellow/gold eyes. In the anime, both Saya and Creed tell him repeatedly that his eyes are so beautiful. And they both fell for him.
That's not meaning. That's Informed Attractiveness.
edited 7th Nov '12 1:34:45 PM by shimaspawn
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
That example also fits What Beautiful Eyes!, which probably needs cleaning since people are using it to gush about eyes.
I think we can cut Windows To The Soul, it only has 10 wicks and 11 inbounds and what's tropable is covered by actual tropes. Alternatively, we can redirect it somewhere.
edited 7th Nov '12 1:45:30 PM by Oreochan
"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."
That just raises the question of the Significant Eye Colour trope again.
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Eyes Of Gold was voted to be renamed 12 to 0.
Seeing that gold eyes examples and description note animalistic qualities, should we make a sepreate trope for that or is that unnecessary?
As for Brown Eyes, we could make trope for when normal characters have brown eyes in a setting where abnormal or supernatural characters have Technicolour Eyes or similiar.
After Gold Eyes is settled, we should probably make a renme crowner for Kaleidoscope Eyes.
"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."