not a trope: Cookie Cutter Cuties

I find the trope to be generally bland, not necessarily subject matter but just in what point it is trying to make. I don't know what it is trying to say, while a similar trope like Hollywood Pudgy makes it's point clear. I still can't really figure out the "type 1, type 2" it's trying to make.

I think it might work as an exampleless page as it is really just screaming to be misused and misrepresented, it feels like it is targeting actresses for being generic and not just their roles. I think the only thing that has merit is something that is suggested in the page image and quote, that actresses are stylized to look more homogenous (wavy hair, etc) rather than them actually looking the same. Admittedly some actresses can be confused for another but even in the page image the only thing that really unites them is their hair style. That is just reflective of modern fashion tastes.

It reminds me of a psychology experiment where out of a group of several dozen photos people prefered one that was a composited picture of many other women and thereby a collection of many traits.

To be perfectly honest, I think this trope has "Written by an angry ugly girl" all over it. It's almost as bad as Hollywood Thin, but at least that trope has a legitimate point about glorifying eating disorders, whereas this is just bitching about women Hollywood considers beautiful.

This troope could have two meanings, one is about movie stars, the other is about very cute sharks. I think think that Peter benchley would have gone for the latter.

...Ooookay then.

I think the examples should be cut, and it should be made to sound less rant-ish.

Eh I'm still for cutting. Inbound links are from other sites and therefore, by definition, not this site's responsibility. This site is about documenting story telling devices.

So a character is white, but they choose a black person to play them. This means things in the story have to change or become unlikely. (She was running for office, in Argentina, and her campaign centered around her pure Spanish blood because she was against the Mapuche!) Race Lift.

A character who's defined their appearance can be ruined by casting. That 1.5 meter tall unwashed Canadian? Yeah, that screams Hugh Jackman.

This page though? Not seeing the connection.

That doesn't change the fact that we would still be treating this page as a trope when it's not. This needs to be re-worked to a storytelling trope or a behind the scenes casting or the page needs to be cut all together.

We have lots of pages for things that are not exactly "conventions directly related to the storytelling". The whole Camera Tricks list. Lots of the Costume Tropes. Other Characters and Casting tropes. Cookie Cutter Cuties can be made into a viable casting trope.

And saying "Inbounds don't matter because they aren't ours and we can't do anything about them so just who cares, just break 'em" displays ignorance of the way the whole "web" thing works

edited 18th Jun '11 4:57:05 PM by Madrugada

Yep. Casting is part of Paratext and thus part of the storytelling process.

My only concern is how exactly can we make an objective casting trope with a name like Cookie Cutter Cuties?

I don't seriously think it can be called a trope if its apparent sole reason for existence is "these two actresses look somewhat similar".

That's not really a trope, that's coincidence.

bump

oh, sorry. Didn't know this was an old discussion. I got linked here from somewhere else.

This isn't an old discussion. It's only a few weeks old.

We already have Celebrity Resemblance for when you want to point out that actress A looks like Actress B without the "Complaining about actresses you dislike" baggage.

This is a similarity between movies trope. I though this was a "This is Hollywood's standards" trope, like a useful note of sorts.

It still seems like whining.

As it is right now, it is whining.

Also, wouldn't we need to keep it strictly to live-action actresses? And add actors as well?

Oh look, another page dealing with similar appearances in actors? More reason to cut this one.

Really what are you going to do with cookie cutter cuties? Make a "standards of beauty" page? Go ahead, even if you could get an objective agreement from the members of one region, you couldn't get it between two different regions. A collage of women from California's movie biz? Great, except it conveniently leaves out Milla Jokovitch, Michelle Rodriguez, Rosario Dawson, Salma Hayek and anyone else in Hollywood who would immediately standout in a lineup. Gabourey Sidibe and Monique what's her last name don't even have pages on this wiki. Complain about that for cookie cutter cuties if it so bugs you.

So even if everyone from Hollywood(or at least every woman) had their dough shaped and baked the same way then what about those from Up North or Down South or further west? Oh look they don't fit. People claim Angelina Love's tattoos somehow break her of the cookie cut despite tattoos being so common in wrestling, especially North American wrestling, WWE somehow managing to get a mostly ink free roster is itself breaking the cookie cutter. Oh no, now they look like Hollywood! Except they don't. Even the proverbial twig Michelle McCool takes up more space than the actresses she's supposedly cut with. Then they go and complain about Mickie James being Hollywood Pudgy, despite the fact that Mickie's the same size as Layla, which means she should be made from the same cookie cutter, according to this "trope".

This isn't something that's going to be fixed by editing the page, the above is just a laconic of the whole page.

Perfect lips? Define "perfect lips" to anyone, see how many consistent answers you get. Perfect styled wavy hair? Which discounts everyone who doesn't like or have it.(already listed)

And if someone links to TV tropes only to find the link no longer works, tough. Its interactive to all users who give a care to use it, like linking to a You Tube video then being surprised to learn its not there anymore. If people come to the wiki whining about the absence of Cookie Cutter Cuties, you can PM Cider and they will be directed to Celebrity Resemblance. I still say cut Cookie Cutter Cuties.

edited 26th Jul '11 11:41:36 AM by Cider

Wow, That pretty much sums that up.

edited 21st Jun '11 5:58:45 PM by pokedude10

I certainly think it's worth keeping, because there are certainly physical "types" for actresses a that are overwhelmingly common, but it needs cleanup. For one thing, the "perfect lips" and such fuzzy/subjective terms can should definitely be fixed to describe just how, for example, "perfect" lips are shaped. The examples section is a mess, full of references to men (the trope is only about women), and "Type 1, 2, and 3" (are all the actresses listed there somehow in all three categories, or are they just lumped together by someone who didn't bother to separate them?)

The misogynistic ad hominem above about "written by an angry ugly girl" is uncalled for, though.

I could see it worth keeping if we renamed it to something neutral, turn it into a useful notes page since it's only dealing with the actresses themselves and have it focus on a small subset of female actors since things like things facial feature fall apart even more once you bring other countries show business to the mix.

would this work as a subtrope of Unfortunate Implications?

No. Most things are not unless you really really over think things.