Still not indicative.: Roboteching

I still think Homing Lasers should be a trope.

Those of you quoting policy are missing one. It's named after a work or group of works that is not universal. That is grounds for a rename.

That is what I meant by "ing" being poor context. It entirely relies on the show name.

Yeah, it supports the whole idea.

I don't think we can use ricochet in the name, since it implies the rockets/lasers bounce somewhere (which means they actually hit something before their target to begin with). If getting rid of the requirement of rockets in the trope name is also good, I think Robotech Realtime Redirection might cover most if not all of what the trope is about without losing the reference, although I think it ends up not being concise enough.

"realtime" doesn't indicate this is a projectile or weapon of some sort. Plus using "rocket" in the name wouldn't limit it to those any more than the sister trope is limited to missiles.

And yet, in spite of all its flaws, the name is working. Why? Who knows. It's one of those great mysteries of TV Tropes. The name seems like it should be crappy, but potential problems with it haven't manifested themselves.

Please. Stick with redirects.

I think we should drop Robotech from the title because A) Robotech is an adaption, not an original work, and B) It has nothing to do with Robotech other than that it was used there, and not even first.

Robotech fits our definition of a work.

Yes, but it would be like calling the Macross Missile Massacre the Robotech Missile Massacre (yes, I know, alliteration is the main thing here), it only exists in Robotech because Robotech is an adaption of SDF Macross, which originated the visual style, as done by the animator Itano Ichiro.

And more importantly, it has nothing to do with Robotech.

"Roboteching" (with quotes) gets a Google score of approximately 2,000. "Roboteching" -tropes scores only a fraction of that (about 500). Is it possible to draw any conclusions from these numbers?

↑^4: 1.-To my knowledge, Robotech is a work. Derivative works are works too. 2.- To my knowledge, you don't need to be Trope Codifier to be a Trope Namer.

I frankly don't understand how the current title is "working". And even if it truly is, I think the name is prone to confusion and other stuff.

edited 26th Feb '11 10:44:26 AM by SilentReverence

It has 150 wicks and 900 inbounds. No misuse has been demonstrated.

No, it has. I can point out the wicks directly, but I already mentioned there was misuse.

↑↑I didn't mean that I couldn't believe there was no misuse; I meant that literally can't believe it is working. I mean, "Roboteching" sounds so simple and for a show-named trope it could refer to one of several stuff (that I'm not sure we have all tropes for).

Macross Missile Massacre, Singing them to death, Transforming Mecha, ground surfing Mechs, merge 3 unrelated series into one with a very loose connection... are what I think of with Robotech that last one I would personally call "Roboteching".

I love the series (have the entire thing on DVD) but yeah this isn't the best name for this.

And just to confirm this isn't working, I'll post the misuse on my next post.

Bear in mind that there's going to be some overlap with Homing Projectile given that things are rarely changing direction for the hell of it.

Okay, posting all wicks up to "D" (any skipped will be false positives). Now since this requires projectiles making sharp turns in midair, anything else is a misuse. Anything that mentions in the context of homing on targets is Homing Projectile, and will count as a misuse ( as in it mentions homing ability alone). To save time, I'll write that as "HP" and Macross Missile Massacre as "MMM":

• Dissidia: Confusion for HP.
• Characters.Dissidia: Final Fantasy Warriors Of Chaos: Not sure about the first one, but since fire spells in other FF related Action RPGs are homing, I think that's a misuse. The second example is correct.
• Free Space (wee needed a ptitle just to avoid a space in the name?): No context, so can't tell.
• Characters.Pokémon Special: Haven't read it, so whoever has will have to tell us if "Hyper Beams" do this trope or not.
• Wolf's Rain: No context, can't tell.
• Ace Combat: At least part of that seems to imply homing.
• That One Boss.Action: Correct.
• Alien Soldier: Confusion for HP.
• Alltynex Second: Confusion for HP.
• Altitude: Confusion for HP.
• TropeNamers.Anime And Manga: Even that's a misuse, since Macross doesn't use the name "Robotech" itself.
• A-Team Firing: confusion for MMM.
• Attack Its Weak Point: Both correct.
• Beam Spam: Second use is correct, but first confuses for MMM.
• BFG: Confusion for HP.
• Bio-HazardBattle: Confusion for HP.
• Bizarre and Improbable Ballistics: Confusion for HP.
• Bullets Do Not Work That Way: First use correct. Not sure about the second one.
• Command And Conquer: No context, can't tell.
• Converging-Stream Weapon: I guess is correct.
• RealLife.Cool Plane: No context, cant' tell.
• Crackdown: I guess is correct.
• Crimzon Clover: confusion for HP.
• Cutscene Power to the Max: I'll call that a misuse. Even though it's midair, Sonic's midair attack doesn't quite work the way the trope works.

edited 26th Feb '11 12:44:23 PM by DragonQuestZ

Converge On Target?

It's not the converging, but changing course in the mid flight.

I'd contest some of the ones you labeled as misuse. If they mention that an attack is a Homing Projectile, that doesn't mean they're confusing Roboteching for Homing Projectile. Homing Projectile is the most common kind of attack that uses Roboteching.

• Dissidia: "Some of the 'homing' projectiles; Terra/Bartz's Holy and Warrior of Light's Radiant Sword being the clearest examples." Obviously, this is just a line explaining which attack Robotechs. Not misuse.
• The Character sheet is the same—"the main idea behind Kefka's attacks is that they don't hit where you're supposed to expect them to. Instead they zigzag to hit from a different direction than where he fired them, or they stop randomly when firing before moving again a second later to screw up your dodge timing." Correct usage. EDIT: Actually, I looked again and it's also being used for arrows shot up into the air and coming down again. Uh, I think that's actually just called "gravity", so I'll call that a misuse. Although technically, it is a projectile changing direction mid-flight.
• Free Space: Correct. Overlaps with Macross Missile Massacre, which is listed further up the page.
• Alien Soldier: Agree that this is misuse; the correct pothole here is Homing Projectile.
• Alltynex Second: This one is correct.
• Altitude: Looks fine to me. Notes that Roboteching occurs and clarifies the missiles that do it.
• A-Team Firing: That there is a series of Sinkholes which I have corrected. Somebody got overzealous. Misuse and poor style in general. Tsk.
• BFG: Yeah, bad pothole. Misuse.
• Bio Hazard Battle: Again, this one is fine. It just clarifies the weapons that the trope applies to.
• Bizarre and Improbable Ballistics: Nothing wrong with this one. It's about bullets changing direction in midair. Correct.
• Crimzon Clover: Seems perfectly fine to me.
• Cutscene Power to the Max: I'm not actually sure.

The main pattern I notice is that misuse comes in the form of Sinkholes where people pothole the trope in places where it isn't relevant.

edited 26th Feb '11 4:20:21 PM by troacctid

Sinkholes are a misuse problem for a hell of a lot of tropes.

Sinkhole?

Sinkhole

It's not the converging, but changing course in the mid flight.

This is only interesting though for things that aren't HomingProjectiles, since thats the definition of what HomingProjectiles do.

And Robotech/Macross exclusively works with HomingProjectiles for this effect.

edited 26th Feb '11 4:45:39 PM by SakurazakiSetsuna