On The Morality Of Prostitution.

double post!

edited 24th Feb '11 10:37:00 PM by joeyjojo

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Morally against, due to religious reasons. Also, seems far too easy of a way to spread ST Ds, preventative measures or not and... well, it's lopped sided. Most people talk about prostitution as if it's limited to women offering the service and men paying for it. If society were to truly integrate it, there will also need to be male prostitutes, which with or without just brings all sorts of Unfortunate Implications to the table.

In short, my religious and ethical morals say no.

The thing about making witty signature lines is that it first needs to actually be witty.

So, it's more ok to pay women for sex than to pay men for sex? Also, there are male prostitutes, but mostly they're servicing male clients, not female ones. Most women don't need to pay a man for sex.  ^*

^{though I wonder how many would if they could be assured of his skill?}

My objections to prostitution aren't moral, but more practical - health and safety of the prostitutes and their customers, and I admit to some fear that legalizing it would encourage more human trafficking.

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw

Not quite what I meant. I meant the fact that if you don't have male prostitutes, then that means that females are then represented as a major part of their role being to give sex instead of it being both sides giving and receiving. With male prostitutes, it means that those guys are only doing for the sex instead of being forced into it like some of those women were (both points, though, ride on sex stereotypes already that won't go away easily).

Besides, you demonstrated such a basis, there's actually large black market for male prostitutes being requested by females, it's just 1) Not given as much attention due to media, 2) preconception that All Women Are Prudes, and 3)like you said, women can get sex if they want, which isn't the case, despite what TV tells you.

edited 25th Feb '11 12:52:41 AM by Usht

The thing about making witty signature lines is that it first needs to actually be witty.

It is entirely possible that I'm over-estimating the ability of a woman to get sex when she wants it; I haven't done any extensive research on the subject.

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw

You're not overestimating anything. Hell, even I've been propositioned during parties, and I'm not even good looking or social.

Which is one of the reasons I remain convinced that the majority of business in prostitution isn't actually about casual sex. It's really not that hard to get for free.

edited 25th Feb '11 10:07:48 AM by Pykrete

^. It's really not that hard to get for free.

Finally somebody else said it.

Ah, but the difference between casual sex and purchased sex is that 99 times out of 100, you don't know what emotional baggage or entanglement will result from the casual sex until afterwards. Purchased sex is up front about what is and isn't included. 99 times out of 100 you'll get exactly what you paid for and nothing more.

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.

^Unless you don't hang around long enough for the baggage to show up.

With call girls, you're not paying her to stay the night with you. you're paying her to be gone by morning.

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Regulation, my friend. Ending prohibition had its problems too.

"Without a fairy, you're not even a real man!" ~ Mido from Ocarina of Time

Keep in mind regulation tends to exacerbate matters rather than solve them. Rum running didn't happen and work because rum trade was illegal, it happened to evade tariffs and it worked because they could sharply undercut the legal trade that way.

Similarly, regulation of prostitution not only creates taxes, but also imposes barriers to the legal trade such as health requirements, which from the examples we've observed thus far are simply dodged via black market so often as to eclipse the legal trade.

And that's just the examples of voluntary prostitution — also keep in mind trafficked and indentured sex workers are likely to be a good deal cheaper than voluntary ones that want silly things like health benefits and spending money.

edited 25th Feb '11 12:52:04 PM by Pykrete

Hmm I guess the idea that of legalise as a quick fix is perhaps naive than. I personally see it as a step in the right direction at least.

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Cigarettes are over $15/pack and I see no tobacco black market.

The child is father to the man —Oedipus

What's your point? This already happens anyway.

"Without a fairy, you're not even a real man!" ~ Mido from Ocarina of Time

@H.O: That's because you aren't looking hard enough. There is one.

If I were to write some of the strange things that come under my eyes they would not be believed. ~Cora M. Strayer~

All right, well, then, lets say plenty of people buy cigarettes legally. Prostitution is different, though, because the black market already exists.

But back to morality: prostitution=sex+commerce. If sex is ok and commerce is moral what is objectionable about combining them?

The child is father to the man —Oedipus

I don't believe that either sex or commerce is inherently moral, so...

There's no justice in the world and there never was~

Well as much as I support prostitution  ^☺

, not everything that's great combines well together. Try boozing with driving sometime.

edited 26th Feb '11 8:14:55 AM by joeyjojo

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Sorry, but you can’t say something like that and expect it to stand without some kind of explanation. How in the world is commerce, an idea put into practicality, moral in and of itself?

"I don't believe that either sex or commerce is inherently moral, so..." - KCK

Well, most people do.

Oh, and joeyjojo, you have a bit of an Analogy Backfire going on there. Drinking may be "fun" (YMMV) but it's not considered a good thing in particular. And driving combined with a lot of things is dangerous... driving combined with slippery roads... driving ocmbined with foggy weather... driving combined with cellphone use... or driving in general, really. Your point is worthwhile, but you hardly used the best analogy for it.

Well, it’s not considered a bad thing either. In fact, the only thing it’s considered is the consumption of a fluid, here being implied as alcohol. Opinions are fine and all, but they don’t make good arguments.

Prostitution, sex, drinking, driving, and any other analogy anyone can think up aren’t usually inherently good or bad in themselves. It’s our ethical or, in this thread, our moral stance in relation to these things that need be discussed.

I'm curious what those who object to the legality of prostitution think of this Family Guy clip.

that defence has actually stood up in court.

Yes well driving a car is a lot like making love to a beautiful woman...

edited 26th Feb '11 3:37:31 PM by joeyjojo

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Actually, live-action pornography is often opposed by many of the same people who oppose prostitution. So maybe it is just a matter of social momentum. That would still leave the question of where that social momentum came from though.