Some actress pages.

Do you think we could do something about them? I'm not saying cutlisting or complete overhaul, but quite a few are very Perverse Sexual Lust-orientated and slightly squicky. It seems like people are just adding Even the Girls Want Her to any woman they find hot.

Some examples of the kind of pages I'm talking about:

• Maggie Gyllenhaal
• Amy Acker
• Asia Argento
• Zoe Bell
• Monica Bellucci
• Julie Benz
• Charisma Carpenter
• Marion Cotillard
• Penelope Cruz
• Eliza Dushku

(Would this belong better in TRS?)

edited 2nd Jan '11 12:12:59 PM by emeriin

While I'm not afraid of admitting to PSL for most of the actors listed there, I do agree that it is a bit much for their pages, which really should be about cataloging their works and the tropes that are used frequently for the characters they portray.

Not being one who frequents many actor pages, how do these compare to some of the male actors?

There are actor pages that have a lot to do about their looks (Jensen Ackles and Cillian Murphy are two that I can come up with off the top of my head) but mostly they're a list of roles and information. And none start off with "blonde hottie" or "this red-headed cutie".

Yeah, I definitely think some re-writing to change tone is in order, then.

Actor pages have always struck me as perhaps straying just a bit too far off-mission for TV Tropes. I think it makes sense to have pages for individuals who are "shapers of stories," but the average actor usually isn't that, at least not in a big way.

I think some of the more famous actors count as "shapers of stories". If you cast Keanu Reeves or Brian Blessed that's likely to impact the work in a big way.

I've not looked at a lot of actor pages, but most of the ones I have seen don't get PSL-ish as described about the actress pages.

However, male or female the pages do tend to attract applications of tropes to their real life, instead of the media they're in. For example, I've been keeping an eye on the page for Mel Gibson for a bit now after coming across it in a Wiki Walk, because of all the focus on his personal life. I zapped almost all of it, intentionally leaving a few items as brief comments instead of the long, multi-bulleted diatribes they were originally. It is something of a concern to balance, though, between "focus on the media" and not coming across as someone who wants to whitewash Gibson's personal life because I'm some fanboy who can't stand any criticism whatsoever of my favoritest actor evar, of all time.  ^*

I don't have a problem with listing actor pages because they're a good way of indexing the works they appear in, and many of them do indeed lend a tone or effect to the work in general. But these slavering descriptions aren't helping.

Bumping this to add Hailee Steinfeld.

Dude, wut

Maybe we should move this to TRS or Special Efforts?

edited 14th Mar '11 6:56:44 PM by melloncollie

I'm okay with either. I'm trying to reduce the creepy on some pages (most of them just have moe or Everybody Remembers the Stripper all the time) but it'd be nice if they didn't look so bare after.

Yeah, these pages definitely need cleanup. One source of the problem is that on the actor index page is basically says that one reason to have actor page is if he/she is "really hot". I'm going to remove that. Maybe there should be a note at the top of the page that tells people not to create a page just to gush about their celebrity crush. (Hey, that rhymed!) One thing I'm not clear about is whether it is correct to add tropes when describing a person in real life. I see this a lot on actor and muscician pages. All of these entries Personal Appearance Tropes on these pages are quite annoying but what about other tropes that apply to their life? For example, Chris Brown has a Domestic Abuse entry on his page.

edited 17th Mar '11 5:27:48 PM by djbj

I think we're only supposed to add tropes to real people's pages if they're already dead (for instance, Winston Churchill). But don't quote me on that.

You're supposed to add tropes to a persons page when the person is used as Character Archetype. However, using either physical appearance tropes or vocal tropes seems okay for actors/actresses of any kind.

As I recall, all these actress pages were started by the same guy. I vaguely remember Madrugada calling him on it, although I think what prompted it was the size/type of pictures used (some were huge and a bit too fanservicey). Amy Adams is another page like it.

An easy way to deal with this is to realize that all those tropes are subjective. Different people have different standards of attraction.

Also, Jail Bait Wait should never be used about real people, just like it shouldn't have a real life section. That's against the Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgment.

edited 24th Mar '11 11:42:36 AM by BigT

I think my main problem is that its just the actress pages and they're pretty much all the same; calling her hot, a few roles, a picture with cleavage showing and then Moe, Buxom Is Better, Ms. Fanservice etc.

This edit I deleted on Chloe Sevigny was particularly "wut": "* Fan Disservice: Nothing wrong with watching her sucking some guy off, if it's you, and not Vincent freaking Gallo."

edited 24th Mar '11 11:48:31 AM by emeriin

So I went over to Joseph Gordon Levitt, and IMO this is not an actress-only thing, if Mr. Fanservice is the equivalent of Ms. Fanservice.

Yeah, even if it is non as common as with actresses there is still way too much gushing about attractive actors on this site. People use Mr. Fanservice to describe any guy they think is attractive, even though it actually means "Mr. Fanservice". There was a push a while back to rename the trope to Mr. Fanservice to clarify the meaning but that effort failed because so many tropers dislike renaming in general.

Anyway, I wonder if these actor pages just need policing or some bigger action needs to be taken, because there are so many actor pages now that it is hard to police them all. Maybe we just need to raise awareness of the issue so we can get more people to police the pages.

edited 24th Mar '11 2:36:29 PM by djbj

Bumping to remind folks that there's a lot of creepiness still on these pages. I just had to edit out several wicks for The Jailbait Wait on underaged actress articles.

Cut list 'em.

Wait, I thought we were supposed to document actresses since they're creators?

Only if someone is willing to make a reasonable page for them. List works they've been in, tropes commonly associated with the characters they play; more than just a page talking about how hot they are and listing off things like Jail Bait Wait.

Okay then, we're just declaring pages of gushing to be identical to stubs then?

Looks like another case of Why We Can't Have Nice Things.

Not that I'll miss these pages. Just... ew.

edited 25th May '11 1:16:23 AM by nrjxll

What worries me about all this discussion favoring cutting is that it doesn't seem clear what measure is a stub, and what would qualify as reasonable.

In the case of actor pages, it's also pretty hard to list tropes that apply to their on-screen roles in general.