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Headscratchers: Fantastic Four
  • The original film (2005): Why in the world did the nurse who took Johnny's temperature not only allow him to leave the hospital with a fever higher than 200F, but (presumably) not even so much as tell anyone in the hospital that one of the patients has a temperature roughly twice as high as is normally considered fatal? She is so fired.
    • Maybe the Nurse thought he was hot...it did imply that they did something in the "hot tub".
  • How old was Sue originally supposed to be? In FF V1 #81, Crystal says "I'm no younger than Sue herself was - when your team was first formed!" and in issue #82, Reed calls Crystal a minor. Does that mean Sue was jailbait when Reed first dated her?
    • She was 17 when they met, and they didn't start dating until she was in college. Johnny's her younger brother, and he's at least 16 when the series starts.
      • No she was 12 and he was 19 when they first met.
  • In Rise of the Silver Surfer, the Silver Surfer technobabbles Johnny's powers, and he swaps powers with his teammates. At the climax of the film, Johnny combines all of the Fantastic Four's powers to take on Doctor Doom. Doctor Doom, who, in the films, got powers in the same accident that created the Fantastic Four. Why doesn't Johnny trade his full set for Doom's Shock and Awe powers?
    • Maybe Doom's metal skin and armor protect him from the effects. Johnny's seen swapping the powers when he touches either the skin of one of the other members of the Four, or their Unstable Molecules outfits.
  • Yeah... Why has nobody revoked Dr. Doom's diplomatic immunity? Or made an attempt to invade Latveria and remove him from power? I know there's the excuse, Depending on the Writer, that Doom is a great leader and takes care of his own people, but the man is constantly attempting to kill certain private American citizens and openly conspires to conquor the world. There's no arguing it- the man makes long, hammy speeches about these things. The UN isn't the least bit bothered about granting this man diplomatic immunity even after he's used it to commit crimes while avoiding arrest on foreign soil multiple times? SHIELD never sits down and decides to invade Latveria to arrest Doom? Reed Richards can't just go to both groups and ask them to just do this as a favor for all those times he and his family fought off Galactus?
    • Not at the same scale, but... war criminal, drug trafficker, twice dictator Desi Bouterse was elected president of Surinam. The Netherlands, which previously convicted him of these crimes in absentia, is obligated to give him a visa if he goes to an international organization for a state matter.
    • The same reason other nations with nuclear weapons aren't invaded: deterrence. Only in Doom's case, the potential threat level includes things next to which the contemporary nuclear arsenal of the United States looks like popguns. Reed Richards & SHIELD both ran simulations/projections once of the maximum amount of firepower Doom could unleash if he stopped fighting like a supervillain and instead devoted his resources to an actual full-on war: it began with light-speed anti-matter city-killers fired from orbit and only got worse from there. It's entirely comprehensible why the US government takes no official objection to Doom's ongoing vendetta vs. the Fantastic Four; that is, quite literally, one of the least dangerous things Doom could be doing with his time.
    • The above post sums it up quite nicely, but there are additional reasons as well: many countries in the world are highly reliant on Latveria economically and technologically. It's like the USSR, only functional.
    • When Doom was recently sent to Hell the FF swooped in to take over the country. IIRC, it didn't end well for them.
      • The problem, though, was less that Doom was missing and more that the FF botched the situation horribly. They didn't consider that Doom's neighbors would try to annex Latveria and seize Doom's arsenal. They didn't consider the geopolitical ramifications of a bunch of Americans randomly declaring they owned a country. And they didn't foresee Reed hatching probably the dumbest plan in FF history to make sure Doom stayed gone, a plan where step one was acting like an enormous asshole to his family and the Latverian people alike.
      • Actually they did consider that the neighbors would try to annex Latveria. That was about half the reason Reed wanted to take it over, the other half being Doom himself
    • The FF did aid the Latverian resistance once, and they overthrew Doom (I think that was FF #200.) Unfortunately, his replacement was a nutcase and the FF eventually let Doom take over again during John Byrne's run on the series. The message was rather clear: Latveria is better off under Doom. Byrne's interpretation seemed to be "Doom is megalomaniacal supervillain to the outside world, but he really does love Latveria.
    • Easy: Status Quo Is God
    • Doom is well known for having people in other countries in his his pocket through threats, blackmailing and bribery. I'd imagine that whoever was in charage of handing out diplomatic immunity is in Doom's pocket, and won't stand up to revoke out of fear of being killed. If they did, Doom could probably just kill and replace them with a life-like robot to continue the diplomatic farce that suits Doom.

  • Crime fighting. Sure, if Terrax is smashing buildings, the Fantastic Four would step in and stop things. But how many crimes could Johnny Storm stop just by flying high and keeping his eyes open? Sue needs to tell him to get off his ass and start melting mugger's knives.
    • Who says he hasn't?
    • It should be noted in fairness that, in the Comics!Verse, at least, New York City isn't exactly lacking in super-powered do-gooders in costumes fighting crimes.

  • In the film, Victor Von Doom's space station has artificial gravity. Not from spinning the station, but outright artificial gravity. No mention of this is ever made, by any character at all. Why is Doom in such financial trouble that his company is in danger, when he has access to literal miracle technology that could revolutionize the entire world?
    • Maybe that's why his business was a muli-billion doller company, becuase he invented artificial gravity. As for the financial problem, that was brought on by the fact he invested tons of money in the project so he could take advantage of Reed to triple his money, and when it failed lost almost all of his money. It doesn't matter if someone invnts something to completely revolutionize the world and make billions, if they then waist that money, its gone, forever. He could sell it to another company, but that would lead to losing the project as well.

  • Why didn't Movie!Doom just, you know, file a lawsuit against Reed like a normal, sane, rich person instead of trying to trick his friend into losing his power, kidnap and torture him, and then fire a rocket at Johnny? Instead of effectively Crossing the Moral Event Horizon, he could of just taken away the Baxter Building and anything Reed had, sell all his projects, use the money to refinance his company and back to the Smug Snake he was, plus cool Shock and Awe powers. Unless the power of lightning caused him to drop a few IQ digits and become comepletely insane.
    • Because the movie gradually shows us that he IS going insane (because he kills people that know about him getting powers instead of spindoctoring the hell out of it to save face). Power Corrupts and all that.
      • There are a few points where the movie seems to imply Doom's internal organs are converting to metal as well, and that the metal process is painful. That plus his ego plus his perfectly reasonable stress probably didn't do wonders for his psyche.

  • The page image over on Took a Level in Badass ...Great, yea, we know Sue Storm isn't useless and is indeed the most dangerous member of the FF. But when did that happen? I don't recall the last time she fought Magneto, and the only time I know of her fighting Red Hulk was as part of a team that still nearly got squashed(back in his Villain Sue days). Her taking Loki is laughable at best(same goes for anyone else in the FF), and I don't remember hearing about that, either. Can't recognize anyone else in the pile up at first glance. Was that just a promotional image, fan art, or did that actually happen?
    • Tin Eye says this image is the cover of Marvel Adventures - Super-Heroes #19.
      • I have that issue. She never actually does that in comic. In fact, it basically had no fights in Marvel Adventures- Super-Heroes whatsoever after the reboot from the Avengers. Thankfully it started reprinting old stories from the first run.
    • It's on the page for the same reason it's on the cover: it is awesome.
  • In Rise Of The Silver Surfer, the Fantastic Four swap powers, and hilarity often ensues as a result, such as the scene where Sue Storm got Johnny's power of fire, and Johnny got Sue's power of invisibility. However, in the scene where that happened, Sue's supersuit - which was designed to turn invisible when she turned invisible - was burnt by her fire, while Johnny's suit turned invisible when he turned invisible, when it was actually designed to be fireproof and light up when he lights up. Sure you could make an argument that the Fantastic Four's suits were all designed the same way and all of them could somehow accommodate for each member's powers. But why the hell did Johnny's fireproof suit turn invisible while Sue's suit burnt up.
  • Has the Fantastic four ever met the Punisher?
    • Sue and Johnny met him during Civil War, though I don't know if this was their first meeting (Johnny seems well aware of the Punisher's reputation).
  • Does Dr. Doom have the technology around to repair his face, or does he just choose not to? I mean he's done plenty of others stuff that make it seem like he could do that easily.
    • IIRC, there's a few handwaves doing the rounds. A general one is that it's part of his whole insane "I hate Reed Richards SO VERY MUCH" complex; the scars act as a constant reminder of what Reed 'did' to him, and he keeps them around to fuel his hatred and thus inspire his vendetta. Presumably according to this explanation, once he finally bests Reed once and for all, he'll cure them; insane, perhaps, but then this is a guy who's built a career as a supervillain dictator out of what pretty much amounts to little more than spite — he's a fucking insane guy. Alternatively, some later explanations suggest that Doom's scars are magical or supernatural in nature and that these various techniques won't work to cure them, in a sort of 'science can't fix what magic has wrought' kind of thing.
      • For the record, his blaming Reed is less out-of-the-blue than most people think. The night before he tried the device, Doom found Reed with his notes, saying he had some suggestions. Doom thinks Reed tampered with them. True, his beliefs were incredibly paranoid and not exactly justified, but he still had a reson to think Reed sabotaged him. (Albeit not a very good one.)
    • Going by one explanation of their origin, the scars were seared into his face by the fires of Hell when Doom tried to technologically breach the afterlife. That's probably not fixable with plastic surgery.
  • If Dr. Doom still has his time machine laying around, why doesn't he just use to kill Reed Richards before he got his powers?
    • He probably sees that as too 'lowly' for someone like himself. Odds are he wants to kill him in a grand fight, or execute him in Latveria.
    • Because attempting things like that has worked so well so far. Besides, even if he succeeded, doesn't he know that would be pointless. I'm sure Dr. Doom is Genre Savvy enough to know that Death Is Cheap for major heroes, so why even bother when he knows Richards has returned from death in the past.
      • Even better - the "Many Worlds" time travel hypothesis is absolute fact for time travel in the MU. So if Doom goes into the past and just shoots a 17 year old Reed Richards, all he has done is create an alternate reality where Reed Richards died young, and returning to the present would still see Mr Fantastic in charge of the FF. In fact, it's possible that Doom did just that a few dozen times after inventing said time machine.
      • Additionally, Doom once invented a time machine that would avoid the "Many Worlds" problem. Reed countered by building a 'a time-traveller is trying to kill me in the past' alarm device.
      • Okay, this is getting re-goddamn-diculous.
      • When Doom got the power of the Beyonder, he pretended to reform and said if he could, he would go back in time and undo every evil deed he ever performed, but to do so would unrevel large parts of the timestream. Even current evil Doom would know that eliminating Reed Richards in the past would alter his own past, effectively eliminating himself as well.
  • Why does Dr. Doom have a bunch of robots that look exactly like him and do things that even he, Depending on the Writer, would consider immoral, or act like except for getting beaten or killed? They really don't seem to have any purpose beyond an Author's Saving Throw, and even then, if Doom's robots are acting in a way that the writer says he wouldn't, doesn't that mean would act that way himself his robots aren't known for acting without his orders.
    • In-story reason: AI Is A Crap Shoot, even for geniuses like Doom. (Reed and Tony don't exactly have unblemished records with AI research either.) Out-of-story reason: The entire point of Doombots is to allow unpopular actions of Doom to be retconned away.
      • Also, if you have as many people trying to pulverize you as Doom does, its a good day when the body double gets blown up instead of you.
  • If Doom wanted to kill Richards so badly, then how come back right after his accident he didn't just go get a gun and shoot him? Surely Doom is smart enough to clear a simple murder. Or is it not so much that he wants to kill Richards as he wants to assert his superiority over him?
    • Exactly. He wants to prove he's smarter than Reed.
  • So, the writers say stuff about Doom being 2nd to Reed in science, but is really? Doom seems to be more physics breaking machines than Reed does.
  • In the 90's cartoon, Galactus (devourer of worlds) has trouble defeating Ego (the living planet). Anyone else see the flaw in the logic here?
    • Most planets don't put up a fight.
    • Ego is powerful to fight him in the comics, he can fight him in the adaption.
    • Just because you eat a lot of beef doesn't mean you can beat up a cow (or a bull) who's intent on not being eaten.
      • Yeah, but Galactus doesn't have to kill, cook, season, and serve a planet to eat it.
  • Where do the ideas of Reed being a Villain with Good Publicity that only hasn't tried taking over the world because Doom keeps diverting his attention come from? If Reed were really that, wouldn't he kill Doom the first chance he gets so he's out of the way?
    • You're asking how a theory on this site makes sense? How many WMG pages can you find that don't suspect someone of being a Time Lord?
    • In several cases at least, it seems to be a straightforward Draco in Leather Pants/Ron the Death Eater scenario, with all the logical holes that implies; people think Doom is awesome and should be the hero, and they don't like Reed and think he should be the villain. Ergo, the most simplistic way of reconciling the fact that Reed is actually the good guy and Doom is the bad guy is that Reed is actually the bad guy, but it's only because Doom is around that no one realises it. This also has the advantage of still (kinda) making Doom the good guy because he's actually being all heroic and selfless (or something) in giving Reed a target to focus on so he's not destroying the world. It's tenuous and requires large heapings of denial and ignoring facts to suit a preferred interpretation, but then, that's kind of what these tropes are all about to begin with.
  • Does Dr. Doom still carry a torch for Sue? Why not have her cloned? It may be beneath him, but a clone can be 100% loyal if you educate it long enough. It wouldn't defy him. Hell, he can create a daughter or son in a lab if he wanted to.
    • It's about pride. Doom doesn't just want someone who looks like Sue. He wants to win Sue herself over.
  • I'm not bashing Dr. Doom, but do Doombots make him look lazy and cowardice at times? Don't get me wrong, Doom is one of my favorite villains, but writers rely on the bots too much. I can understand using decoys and fakes for dangerous missions, but using them in regular fights? It also seems a little arrogant for a writer to do that. Like, he doesn't want his favorite villain to lose. They can't make Doom fight his own battles?
    • All the good master villains use minions; Doom just makes his own.
    • I always assumed that the real reason Doom used Doombots was because he was always busy with something he thought more important at the time (like, for example, plotting to steal an Infinity Gem while a Doombot was trying to blow up Avengers Mansion)
  • In the sequel we see Saturn get obliterated by The Devour. Presumably other planets in our solar system met the same fate. Um.... wouldn't this greatly effect the Earth's gravitational pull with the sun, or screw up it's orbit?
  • In the first arc of Millar's FF run, Reed runs into an old college flame of his who reveals that she's part of a conspiracy to build an alternate Earth and then move all the rich people to it, because 'our thinktank of the most brilliant minds in the world has calculated that the Earth will undergo irreversible ecological collapse in ten years'. Where do we begin with all the wrongness here...
    • One: in every single alternate future shown in Marvel Comics up to that time, this hasn't actually happened.
    • Two: any group of people that claims to be "the most brilliant minds on Earth" in Earth-616 when their group does not contain Reed Richards, Victor von Doom, or Tony Stark (one of whom had visibly just met these people and two more who were never mentioned anywhere in this arc), is lying out their ass. I have no idea how Reed even kept a straight face when he heard that one.
    • Three: even assuming that their claim of 'the Apocalypse is nigh! Ecological devastation will have us all dead within a decade!' was somehow true, between Cosmic Cubes, the Silver Surfer, and half a dozen other plot devices Reed's made friends with, fought, or stashed in his closet over the decades of published comics, Reed could figure out a way to turn 'devastated and depleted planetary biosphere' into 'perfectly OK now!' in, what, a day? A day and a half?
    • Four: Building your own artificial planet Earth (which is what the antagonists were doing) would require construction materials massing literally as much as the entire planet Earth. If she's got a budget like that already, what the hell does she need rich people as customers for? Furthermore, if she's somehow got so much construction capacity and raw material she can make a planet from scratch, why the hell can't she just fix an already existing planet with it? Sci-Fi Writers Have No Sense of Scale, big time.

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