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*** To be fair on this one, if you're going around describing yourself and the people around you are "the most brilliant minds on Earth", you probably have a bit of an ego to begin with. It might not be a strictly accurate description without those three particular minds involved, but that doesn't necessarily stop them from ''thinking'' it's an accurate description.
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*** Except this is contradicted by issue #11, where it's clearly said she and Reed were together when he fought in World War II, unless Reed was hooking up with a literal baby. And l believe Lee later said in letters page Sue was in her twenties when she got her powers. It seems to be a simple ContinuitySnarl, or Lee just not wanting the characters to seem too old.
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*** To add to the above, it is also life which Doom has created "in his own image", so to speak... which means that it's hungry for power, arrogant, proud, willful, unwilling to accept anyone else's authority, machiavellian and willing to stab others in the back if it will gain advantage from doing so. Of ''course'' it's going to
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*** To add to the above, it is also life which Doom has created "in his own image", so to speak... which means that it's hungry for power, arrogant, proud, willful, unwilling to accept anyone else's authority, machiavellian and willing to stab others in the back if it will gain advantage from doing so. Of ''course'' it's going to challenge him and try to overthrow him.
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*** To add to the above, it is also life which Doom has created "in his own image", so to speak... which means that it's hungry for power, arrogant, proud, willful, unwilling to accept anyone else's authority, machiavellian and willing to stab others in the back if it will gain advantage from doing so. Of ''course'' it's going to
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*** I'm not sure about the former, but she is a super-genius so it's not beyond the realms of possibility that she figured it out. As for the latter... they're better people than Doom is. They're not going to let Doom die in a calamity of his own making if they can help, regardless of how much they hate him, because they would feel bad if they did. It's what makes them the heroes and Doom a villain.
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*** I'm not sure about the former, but she is a super-genius so it's not beyond the realms of possibility that she figured it out. As for the latter... they're better people than Doom is. They're not going to let Doom die even in a calamity of his own making if they can help, regardless of how much they hate him, because they would feel bad if they did.him. It's what makes them the heroes and Doom a villain.
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*** This one, to be fair, is a staple of both superhero comics in general and the Fantastic Four specifically. The latter in particular have since practically day one involved impossibly gargantuan scientific, technological and engineering projects and developments well beyond the realms of any kind of realism or practicality, and that exist largely if not solely due to the writers relying more on flights of imagination and willing suspension of disbelief than anything else. While this specific point isn't an entirely unreasonable complaint in and of itself, frankly if you're going to complain that SciFiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale at this point you pretty much have no business reading ''Fantastic Four'' comics to begin with.
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*** This one, to be fair, is a staple of both superhero comics in general and the Fantastic Four specifically. The latter in particular have since practically day one involved impossibly gargantuan scientific, technological and engineering projects and developments well beyond the realms of any kind of realism or practicality, and that exist largely if not solely due to the writers relying more on flights of imagination and willing suspension of disbelief than anything else. While this specific point isn't an entirely unreasonable complaint in and of itself, frankly if you're going to complain that SciFiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale at this point and that building a whole new Earth is massively impractical you pretty much have no business reading ''Fantastic Four'' comics to begin with.with, since that's for better or worse exactly the sort of thing that tends to show up.
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*** This one, to be fair, is a staple of both superhero comics in general and the Fantastic Four specifically. The latter in particular have since practically day one involved impossibly gargantuan scientific, technological and engineering projects and developments well beyond the realms of any kind of realism or practicality, and that exist largely if not solely due to the writers relying more on flights of imagination and willing suspension of disbelief than anything else. While this specific point isn't an entirely unreasonable complaint in and of itself, frankly if you're going to complain that SciFiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale at this point you pretty much have no business reading ''Fantastic Four'' comics to begin with.
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*** Yeah, this one's almost certainly at least a little bit of sour grapes on Doom's part after his attempt to become a god-emperor of an entire universe has completely fallen apart. It can also be combined with the fact that, as mentioned above, deep down Doom's psychology is so perverse and warped that he doesn't actually ''want'' the end goal of ultimate power that he's always pursuing; he prefers the thrill and challenge of seeking ultimate power more than actually having it, and if and when he does attain it it he either quickly gets bored with it or self-sabotages himself somehow (unwittingly or not) so that he can go back to the beginning and start again. It's a sign of how petty, childish and incapable of handling actual responsibility he is deep down.
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** Two, how did Valeria know about Doom's plight, and why did the Fantastic Four bother saving their greatest adversary.
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*** The whole point of Doom is that he's overconfident to the point of blinding arrogance about how great he is, how flawless his plans are, and how capable any opposition he might face is. Case in point; he's going a bit AGodAmI and has devoted himself to creating what he views as perfect life, only to realise too late that the perfect life he has created is too powerful for him to easily control. There's also an ongoing subtext throughout the series that for all his posturing and megalomania deep down Doom doesn't actually ''want'' to be in control of the world and have everyone utterly compliant and subservient to his will, because then he gets bored and restless without anyone to pose a challenge to him. This is reflected in how he has essentially created life which he cannot then just easily control even with the Infinity Gauntlet; the irony is that even with the powers of a God at his fingertips he can ultimately only create forms of life which will dedicate themselves to challenging and overthrowing him because of his own personality and limitations. He will never have the absolute control over everything that he craves because deep down he doesn't really ''want'' that, no matter how much he tries to convince himself otherwise.
** Two, how did Valeria know about Doom's plight, and why did the Fantastic Four bother saving their greatestadversary.adversary.
*** I'm not sure about the former, but she is a super-genius so it's not beyond the realms of possibility that she figured it out. As for the latter... they're better people than Doom is. They're not going to let Doom die in a calamity of his own making if they can help, regardless of how much they hate him, because they would feel bad if they did. It's what makes them the heroes and Doom a villain.
** Two, how did Valeria know about Doom's plight, and why did the Fantastic Four bother saving their greatest
*** I'm not sure about the former, but she is a super-genius so it's not beyond the realms of possibility that she figured it out. As for the latter... they're better people than Doom is. They're not going to let Doom die in a calamity of his own making if they can help, regardless of how much they hate him, because they would feel bad if they did. It's what makes them the heroes and Doom a villain.
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* The original film (2005): Why in the world did the nurse who took Johnny's temperature not only allow him to leave the hospital with a fever higher than '''200ºF''', but (presumably) not even so much as tell anyone in the hospital that one of the patients has a temperature roughly twice as high as is normally considered fatal? She is so fired.
** Maybe the Nurse thought he was hot...it did imply that they did something in the "hot tub".
*** which makes that even dumber. A nurse sees a hot guy with a fever, she wouldn't advise or accompany him on a ski trip. This guy not only had a high fever, but should've died twice over. You don't shrug and say huh that's odd, then go dating. This is the worst nurse ever!
** Given that anybody with that body temperature should already have ''died'' about 70 degrees ago, and Johnny wasn't even remotely showing symptoms of a ''mild'' fever, she very likely jumped to the conclusion that the thermometer was broken.
** Maybe the Nurse thought he was hot...it did imply that they did something in the "hot tub".
*** which makes that even dumber. A nurse sees a hot guy with a fever, she wouldn't advise or accompany him on a ski trip. This guy not only had a high fever, but should've died twice over. You don't shrug and say huh that's odd, then go dating. This is the worst nurse ever!
** Given that anybody with that body temperature should already have ''died'' about 70 degrees ago, and Johnny wasn't even remotely showing symptoms of a ''mild'' fever, she very likely jumped to the conclusion that the thermometer was broken.
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* In ''Rise of the Silver Surfer'', the ComicBook/SilverSurfer {{technobabble}}s Johnny's powers, and he swaps powers with his teammates. At the climax of the film, Johnny [[AllYourPowersCombined combines all of the Fantastic Four's powers]] to take on Doctor Doom. Doctor Doom, who, in the films, ''[[MassSuperEmpoweringEvent got powers in the same accident that created the Fantastic Four]]''. Why doesn't Johnny trade his full set for Doom's ShockAndAwe powers?
** Maybe Doom's metal skin and armor protect him from the effects. Johnny's seen swapping the powers when he touches either the skin of one of the other members of the Four, or their UnstableMolecules outfits.
*** Doom doesn't have metal skin in the movie, he's actually wearing a full suit of armor. Combine that with wielding the power cosmic (stolen from the Silver Surfer) and Doom was probably well-protected against that sort of thing happening. [[FridgeLogic Besides, I fail to see how Doom getting the combined powers of the entire Fantastic Four stops him from being a threat.]]
*** Watch it again. He does get metal skin from the first movie, though it never covers his entire skin.
*** The point is that the Silver Surfer cured Doom of his mutation when they first confronted each other.
** Maybe Doom's metal skin and armor protect him from the effects. Johnny's seen swapping the powers when he touches either the skin of one of the other members of the Four, or their UnstableMolecules outfits.
*** Doom doesn't have metal skin in the movie, he's actually wearing a full suit of armor. Combine that with wielding the power cosmic (stolen from the Silver Surfer) and Doom was probably well-protected against that sort of thing happening. [[FridgeLogic Besides, I fail to see how Doom getting the combined powers of the entire Fantastic Four stops him from being a threat.]]
*** Watch it again. He does get metal skin from the first movie, though it never covers his entire skin.
*** The point is that the Silver Surfer cured Doom of his mutation when they first confronted each other.
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* In the film, Victor Von Doom's space station has artificial gravity. Not from spinning the station, but outright artificial gravity. No mention of this is ever made, by any character at all. Why is Doom in such financial trouble that his company is in danger, when he has access to literal miracle technology that could revolutionize the entire world?
** Maybe that's ''why'' his business was a mutli-billion doller company, because he invented artificial gravity. As for the financial problem, that was brought on by the fact he invested tons of money in the project so he could take advantage of Reed to triple his money, and when it failed lost almost all of his money. It doesn't matter if someone invents something to completely revolutionize the world and make billions, if they then waste that money, it's gone, forever. He could sell it to another company, but that would lead to losing the project as well.
* Why didn't Movie!Doom just, you know, file a lawsuit against Reed like a normal, sane, rich person instead of trying to trick his friend into losing his power, kidnap and torture him, and then fire a rocket at Johnny? Instead of effectively Crossing the MoralEventHorizon, he could of just taken away the Baxter Building and anything Reed had, sell all his projects, use the money to refinance his company and back to the SmugSnake he was, plus cool ShockAndAwe powers. Unless [[PsychoElectro the power of lightning caused him to drop a few IQ digits and become comepletely insane.]]
** Because the movie gradually shows us that he IS going insane (because he kills people that know about him getting powers instead of spindoctoring the hell out of it to save face). PowerCorrupts and all that.
*** There are a few points where the movie seems to imply Doom's internal organs are converting to metal as well, and that the metal process is painful. That plus his ego plus his perfectly reasonable stress probably didn't do wonders for his psyche.
** Also because lawsuits aren't exactly the basis of particularly exciting action-adventure films. True, the ''Fantastic Four'' films weren't particularly great anyway, but I doubt they'd have been improved with a plot involving litigation, depositions and settlements rather than, well, Doom going batshit crazy and trying to electrocute everyone.
** Maybe that's ''why'' his business was a mutli-billion doller company, because he invented artificial gravity. As for the financial problem, that was brought on by the fact he invested tons of money in the project so he could take advantage of Reed to triple his money, and when it failed lost almost all of his money. It doesn't matter if someone invents something to completely revolutionize the world and make billions, if they then waste that money, it's gone, forever. He could sell it to another company, but that would lead to losing the project as well.
* Why didn't Movie!Doom just, you know, file a lawsuit against Reed like a normal, sane, rich person instead of trying to trick his friend into losing his power, kidnap and torture him, and then fire a rocket at Johnny? Instead of effectively Crossing the MoralEventHorizon, he could of just taken away the Baxter Building and anything Reed had, sell all his projects, use the money to refinance his company and back to the SmugSnake he was, plus cool ShockAndAwe powers. Unless [[PsychoElectro the power of lightning caused him to drop a few IQ digits and become comepletely insane.]]
** Because the movie gradually shows us that he IS going insane (because he kills people that know about him getting powers instead of spindoctoring the hell out of it to save face). PowerCorrupts and all that.
*** There are a few points where the movie seems to imply Doom's internal organs are converting to metal as well, and that the metal process is painful. That plus his ego plus his perfectly reasonable stress probably didn't do wonders for his psyche.
** Also because lawsuits aren't exactly the basis of particularly exciting action-adventure films. True, the ''Fantastic Four'' films weren't particularly great anyway, but I doubt they'd have been improved with a plot involving litigation, depositions and settlements rather than, well, Doom going batshit crazy and trying to electrocute everyone.
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* In ''RiseOfTheSilverSurfer'', the Fantastic Four swap powers, and [[HilarityEnsues hilarity often ensues as a result]], such as the scene where Sue Storm got Johnny's power of fire, and Johnny got Sue's power of invisibility. However, in the scene where that happened, Sue's supersuit - which was designed to turn invisible when she turned invisible - was burnt by her fire, while Johnny's suit turned invisible when he turned invisible, when it was actually designed to be fireproof and light up when he lights up. Sure you could make an argument that the Fantastic Four's suits were all designed the same way and all of them could somehow accommodate for each member's powers. But why the hell did Johnny's fireproof suit turn invisible while Sue's suit burnt up.
** Because [[http://i.imgur.com/A7U0U.png she wasn't wearing her uniform, she was wearing normal civilian clothes]].
** Because [[http://i.imgur.com/A7U0U.png she wasn't wearing her uniform, she was wearing normal civilian clothes]].
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* In the sequel we see Saturn get obliterated by The Devourer of Worlds. Presumably other planets in our solar system met the same fate. Um.... wouldn't this greatly effect the Earth's gravitational pull with the sun, or screw up it's orbit?
** Yes, but this is also a movie where cosmic rays grant people superpowers instead of horrific cancers. Allowances for scientific plausibility must be made.
** Yes, but this is also a movie where cosmic rays grant people superpowers instead of horrific cancers. Allowances for scientific plausibility must be made.
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* In the first movie Ben keeps struggling with normal size forks and breaking glasses, when he's trying to drink. Just how difficult was to make some custom utensils for him?
** To be fair, making custom utensils for Ben would have taken a while to make from scratch, and in between trying to work on restoring Ben and everyone else as quickly as possible, the others just might not have had time to get around to it. Also, Ben was almost certainly trying to act as if everything was normal when it quite clearly wasn't out of stubborness, denial and a refusal to accept that his condition might be permanent or long-lasting.
** To be fair, making custom utensils for Ben would have taken a while to make from scratch, and in between trying to work on restoring Ben and everyone else as quickly as possible, the others just might not have had time to get around to it. Also, Ben was almost certainly trying to act as if everything was normal when it quite clearly wasn't out of stubborness, denial and a refusal to accept that his condition might be permanent or long-lasting.
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* In the first film, why does Sue hurt Reed every chance she gets? I get that prior to their get together, they have to have some sort of speed bump to overcome. Yet they never specified what exactly broke them up, she makes it no secret that she hates him for being a scientist, ranging from glaring at him over the suit rather than her to trying to stop him from mentioning one scientific thing when he was trying to propose to her in his own way. When they were testing her powers and he mentioned they were emotion based specifically hostile ones; she "unexpectedly" smacked him with one claiming it was an accident, but judging by the look on her face, she clearly meant to do it. To top it off, Sue made it perfectly clear that, she broke up with him. Yet acted as if he was the one that broke up with her. Lastly, until Doom becomes the badguy it's just Reed she takes it out on. With Johnny she does argue with him, but that's what brothers and sisters do and it's clear she concerned about him. With Ben, she's in full sympathy mode. Yet with Reed she pretty much goes all out and doesn't even get called out for it. Granted she gets better in the second movie, but prior to their rekindling their love, she has no mercy on him.
** MostWritersAreMale. Ultimate Invisible Woman was a strong female character, and a common mistake in writing a Strong Female is to simply make her rude and abusive to all the male characters to make her appear 'strong.'
** Sue doesn't hate Reed or the fact that he's a scientist. She hates that he's so wrapped up in his work that he ignores people, especially her, and her feelings. It happens right in the scene you describe, he was so wrapped up in his research into her powers he didn't notice that he was insulting her to her face. She didn't blast him on purpose either, she didn't have the familiarity or control of her powers at that point to be able to do so, she just wasn't upset it happened since he was unharmed and she was mad. It could have been handled better but the troper above me is right, a lot of male writers use anger as short form for 'strong woman'.
** MostWritersAreMale. Ultimate Invisible Woman was a strong female character, and a common mistake in writing a Strong Female is to simply make her rude and abusive to all the male characters to make her appear 'strong.'
** Sue doesn't hate Reed or the fact that he's a scientist. She hates that he's so wrapped up in his work that he ignores people, especially her, and her feelings. It happens right in the scene you describe, he was so wrapped up in his research into her powers he didn't notice that he was insulting her to her face. She didn't blast him on purpose either, she didn't have the familiarity or control of her powers at that point to be able to do so, she just wasn't upset it happened since he was unharmed and she was mad. It could have been handled better but the troper above me is right, a lot of male writers use anger as short form for 'strong woman'.
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** MostWritersAreMale. Ultimate Invisible Woman was a strong female character, and a common mistake in writing a Strong Female is to simply make her rude and abusive to all the male characters to make her appear 'strong.'
** Sue doesn't hate Reed or the fact that he's a scientist. She hates that he's so wrapped up in his work that he ignores people, especially her, and her feelings. It happens right in the scene you describe, he was so wrapped up in his research into her powers he didn't notice that he was insulting her to her face. She didn't blast him on purpose either, she didn't have the familiarity or control of her powers at that point to be able to do so, she just wasn't upset it happened since he was unharmed and she was mad. It could have been handled better but the troper above me is right, a lot of male writers use anger as short form for 'strong woman'.
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** In “Dr. Doom and the Masters of Evil,” Doom himself claimed that he sees Richards as necessary, as Doom believes he can’t be a “great hero” without a “great villain” like Richards to push Doom to his limits.
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** Plus, it's entirely possible-if-not-likely that Doom, deep down, needs Reed around more than he lets on. He hates Reed with a passion, but his hatred for Reed is partly what keeps him going, is what's inspired him to the powerful, terrible heights that he's achieved for himself. Subconsciously, he doesn't do any of the simpler things because he feels that if Reed's gone, he might just stagnate.
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** Maybe, but is this really a problem? Doom has to have ''some'' character flaws and weaknesses otherwise he just becomes a boring Villain Sue who's the perfect guy who's best at everything ever, except also evil. Maybe Doom ''should'' be a little bit cowardly and lazy, as it contrasts nicely with his preening and self-glorifying vision of himself.
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** Yes, but this is also a movie where cosmic rays grant people superpowers instead of horrific cancers. Allowances for scientific plausibility must be made.
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** To be fair, making custom utensils for Ben would have taken a while to make from scratch, and in between trying to work on restoring Ben and everyone else as quickly as possible, the others just might not have had time to get around to it. Also, Ben was almost certainly trying to act as if everything was normal when it quite clearly wasn't out of stubborness, denial and a refusal to accept that his condition might be permanent or long-lasting.
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** If we're being brutally honest, Doom already teeters precariously on the edge of being a total Villain Sue at the best of time. Making him inferior to Reed is just a way of the writers giving him ''some'' flaws to prevent him from falling all the way in and being Literally The Best At Everything Ever Oh My God Wow, Except Also Evil.
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** If we're being brutally honest, Doom already teeters precariously on the edge of being a total Villain Sue at the best of time. Making him inferior to Reed is just a way of the writers giving him ''some'' flaws to prevent him from falling all the way in and being Literally The Best At Everything Ever Oh My God Wow, Wow You Guys, Except Also Evil.Evil. He can't be number one at absolutely everything, otherwise he's just utterly boring.
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** If we're being brutally honest, Doom already teeters precariously on the edge of being a total VillainSue. Making him inferior to Reed is just a way of the writers giving him ''some'' flaws to prevent him from falling all the way in and being Literally The Best At Everything Ever Oh My God Wow, Except Also Evil.
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** If we're being brutally honest, Doom already teeters precariously on the edge of being a total VillainSue.Villain Sue at the best of time. Making him inferior to Reed is just a way of the writers giving him ''some'' flaws to prevent him from falling all the way in and being Literally The Best At Everything Ever Oh My God Wow, Except Also Evil.
