History Main / DeliberateValuesDissonance

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* ''Fanfic/DoorsToTheUnknown'': This crops up many a time, for both Valigan and the characters from Literature/Worm that find themselves in the ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' multiverse. For the former, the sensibilities common to a HeroicFantasy universe like D&D frequently clash with the {{Capepunk}} world of Worm. This manifests in Valigan's consistent bafflement at the conventions of the cape world. The reverse is also true, with [=THACo=] initially having trouble adapting from a world of heroes and villains to one with much more (overt) nuance.

** In [[Film/BackToTheFuture the first film]], Marty realizes that the black busboy he is talking to in 1955 is Goldie Wilson, the town's mayor in 1985. When he says this, the café owner scoffs "A ''colored'' mayor! [[ItWillNeverCatchOn That'll be the day!]]"

* It's mentioned that Rin from the ''Sonic the Hedgehog'' fic series ''Fanfic/EchoesOfEternity'' was bullied for being the equivalent of Japanese-American, having a Japanese name, and having bentos for lunch. This isn't that unreasonable for someone who a child in 1930s or 1940s.

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** Vampires can, under some circumstances, choose to reject mortal moral standards, and instead embrace a Path of Enlightenment. A Path is something which must be deliberately sought out, and embracing one is a long, painful and soul-shattering process. These Paths are exactly as [[BlueAndOrangeMorality alien]] as one would expect and while they may overlap with mortal morality they do so for vastly different reasons. A follower of the Path of Lilith, which espouses pain as the path to wisdom, would consider killing a human as immoral as a follower of Humanity would, but for the reason that dead humans can't feel pain, and would consider torturing a human to be laudable, since the pain so inflicted would bring the human closer to enlightenment. A follower of the Path of Caine would consider killing a human while feeding repugnant to the same level as a human would, say, nerve-gassing an orphanage, because such lack of self-control is anathema to those who seek to master the vampiric condition. Killing humans in other circumstances isn't even on the hierarchy, because humans are cattle and not worthy targets of vampiric moral consideration.

* ''Fanfic/DoorsToTheUnknown'': This crops up many a time, for both Valigan and the characters from Literature/Worm that find themselves in the TabletopGame/Dungeons&Dragons multiverse. For the former, the sensibilities common to a HeroicFantasy universe like D&D frequently clash with the {{Capepunk}} world of Worm. This manifests in Valigan's consistent bafflement at the conventions of the cape world. The reverse is also true, with [=THACo=] initially having trouble adapting from a world of heroes and villains to one with much more (overt) nuance.

** This is elaborated upon and nuanced in Book III - on the one hand, Asgard was a much nicer place under Buri's rule, and indeed during Sunniva's time about 30,000 years before that. Bor was the way he was partly because of natural inclination, and partly [[spoiler: because while he UsedToBeASweetKid, both he and all of Asgard was twisted by Malekith using the Aether to make them fit his prejudiced image of Asgard, Bor himself taking the brunt of it. While Buri managed to mitigate it so he couldn't change too much of the past, a lot of it stuck in the present - and in Bor's case, he decided he liked it. This set Asgard back hundreds of thousands of years]]. On the other hand, Sunniva's Asgard is implied to be considerably more insular, less concerned with Earth save as an occasional tourist destination, and that Stone Age humanity is seen as a bunch of primitives, an academic interest at best and mostly ignored. While Sunniva is indicated to be standard in finding the idea of playing god and essentially bullying humans to be abhorrent, and the idea of DoubleStandRapeDivineOnMortal to be truly vile, and fundamentally SpoiledSweet, she's a bit of a NobleBigot towards humans... until she actually meets some and has her assumptions turned on their head.

*** And it turns out that Odin is a pretty progressive ruler. While his grandfather, Buri, is indicated to have been the same, Odin's father, Bor Burison, was a very different matter, with the story illustrating how unpleasant things were. [[DoubleStandardRapeDivineOnMortal Use and abuse of humans]] was either ignored or encouraged, StayInTheKitchen values were in favour, {{Arranged Marriage}}s were the norm, and Asgard's grip on the Nine Realms was much more iron-fisted, brutal and militaristic. The key point, though, is that while he is seen as "a throwback" and the main reaction is "good riddance", he was well enough supported in his lifetime and going by in-story accounts, despite several millennia of hard work Odin is ''still'' undoing his misrule. It is also heavily implied that Bor is far from the only ruler of that kind Asgard has had, with the assessment of potential Kings and Queens by the Norns focusing less "will this person be TheGoodKing?", more "will this person go AxeCrazy and threaten the integrity of Yggdrasil?", with Thor citing [[ReformedButNotTamed Loki]], Bor, and himself pre CharacterDevelopment as examples of the sort of people it does ''not'' filter out.

* The original, non-musical version of ''Film/{{Hairspray}}'' [[SatireParodyPastiche is both an affectionate tribute to the relatively underground dance culture of the early 1960s, but also takes some pretty ruthless jabs at the mainstream culture of the time]]. [[HystericalWoman White housewives become shrieking wrecks]] at the moment they arrive in the black part of town, a therapist tries to hypnotize Penny out of liking Seaweed, and the heroes themselves become terrified when they accidentally stumble into a den of {{Beatnik}}s ("let's get naked and smoke!"). The segregationists mostly act out of fear, paranoia, and vanity rather than any profound hatred, while another scene shows a white woman throwing fireworks into a crowd of peaceful protesters and starting a race riot just ForTheEvulz. Even Edna Turnblad is nervous about her daughter hanging out with "color people". And it ''still'' manages to be very upbeat.

* ''Time Pervs'' (a recurring sketch on the short-lived sketch show ''Creator/VH1 Ill-ustrated'') is about UsefulNotes/BillClinton, Pee-Wee Herman and Larry Flint using a time-traveling wheelchair to perv out on hot women in history. They decide to see Helen of Troy in person, expecting an HourglassHottie only to find she's practically [[Film/{{Hairspray}} Mrs. Turnblad]], yet a guard lovingly talks of the same features that creep them out and are aghast that they're actually turned off. TruthInTelevision considering how the ancient Greek standards of beauty wildly differs from the American standards of beauty.

* ''Film/Paddington2014'': The Geographer's Guild expel Montgomery Clyde because he refused to bring home a "specimen" (i.e. the stuffed skin of a talking bear) from Peru. When Montgomery tries to protest that the bears were intelligent and civilized, the Guild blows him off, stating that any definition of "civilized" that does not involve drinking tea, playing cricket and solving the ''Times'' crossword is broad enough to be meaningless.

* ''Fanfic/SecondBiteOfTheCherry'' makes use of the tongyangxi ("little daughter-in-law") practice, as the Lan elders have no problem adopting a preteen girl into their clan and groom her as a future bride for one of their heirs. Note that Chinese and Taiwanese people only started to consider it child abuse in the early fifties.

* ''Fanfic/SecondBiteOfTheCherry'' has Wei Ying as a tongyangxi ("little daughter-in-law"), adopted as a future bride for one of the Gusu Lan Sect's young heirs. It might be eyebrow-raising for a Western mind, but the practice was only banned in the late forties-early fifties in China and Taiwan.

** Late in the comic, Terezi [[spoilers:was dating Dave while having Gamzee as her kismesis. When Dave finds out about the latter, he breaks up with Terezi because he considers it to be cheating; by troll standards, it's completely normal and unremarkable.]]

* ''Film/BlackPanther'' uses its African heroes and African-American villain to explore multiple perspectives on identity. Killmonger is ethnically half-Wakandan but he grew up in America, where due to the legacy of slavery black people have no ties to their ancestral homelands or people groups, leaving blackness as their only identity. As such, he regards all people of African descent around the world as part of a single people, with skin colour and their shared history of discrimination, exploitation, and oppression trumping any religious, cultural, political or ethnolinguistic differences. The Wakandans on the other hand have always held themselves apart from the rest of Africa and the wider world in general, so they see themselves as distinct from all other peoples, and thus do not feel any special kinship with the African diaspora or even black people in surrounding nations.

* In ''Fanfic/TheAlphabetStory'', Anna admits that she doesn't think Elsa's attraction towards women is natural, but she'll support her sister anyway long as it makes her happy. Anna is an AmbiguouslyChristian woman living in the 1800s, so her less-than-perfect reaction isn't unheard of.

* In ''[[https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/the-battle-for-narn-robotech-babylon-5-au-crossover.336641/ The Battle for Narn]]'' the Centauri just don't get many parts of Human culture. Tellingly is ambassador Zainus Callo's opinion on human anti-slavery beliefs: he's convinced it's the result of human slavers acting stupid and causing an excessive reaction, and brings the events of the ''[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Amistad Amistad]]'' as example (in this case, the violation of the slave trade ban and US slavers trying to have the Mende treated as slaves anyway).

* ''Fanfic/ADanceOnTheMats'': A human male finds himself in an ''[[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirls Equestria Girls]]'' setting where [[LadyLand gender roles are reversed]]. The character's fighting prowess is treated InUniverse [[CassandraTruth with disbelief]], since his [[HeroicBuild muscle mass]] is seen as a ''hinderance''. On the other side of the coin, Rainbow considers [[AlwaysSomeoneBetter her constant defeat at Anon's hands]] to be as humiliating as a guy being beaten by a girl would feel in our world.
* In ''[[https://www.fimfiction.net/story/253304/dazzling-sun Dazzling Sun]]'', [[ReallySevenHundredYearsOld Aria]] reveals that in the 1930s, she fell in love with an up and coming actress named Gazing Star. When their relationship was outed by somebody who saw them kissing in the park, the actress' career was destroyed due to the time period's [[BuryYourGays view on homosexuality]], and she [[DrivenToSuicide eventually took her own life]]. [[spoiler:Thankfully, Sunset reveals to Aria that the actress was VindicatedByHistory as a martyr of sexual discrimination, and that her movies are now {{Cult Classic}}s for several LBGTQA+ civil rights groups]].

* ''ComicBook/TheGoodAsian'' is a HardboiledDetective story about Asian-American police detective Edison Hark which happens to be set in 1936. Absolutely no punches are pulled in depicting the horrific levels of racism Asian-Americans faced during that era, or how they were second class citizens at best. Various [[ShownTheirWork racist historical laws and documents are frequently quoted or referenced]], reinforcing the oppressive atmosphere that the characters live under.

* In ''Webcomic/GastroPhobia'' Phobia and Gastro own a slave, though [[spoiler:they later try to set him free]], which the rest of UsefulNotes/{{Ancient Gree|ce}}k society doesn't see it as big deal. Klepto, instead of [[spoiler:getting set free]], gets [[spoiler:repossessed by the government]] because the law in which Phobia acquired him only applies to natural born Greek citizens, "... not women or barbarians and certainly not barbarian women", implying they don't see women as citizens.

* A source of humor in ''Film/TheFinalGirls'' comes from the differences between the main characters and the 80s campers they find inside the movie. Particularly, the treatment of LGBT people (Chris, who [[HasTwoMommies was raised by a gay couple]] gets easily mad at one of the campers making homophobic comments) and technology (Vicki trying to explain to another camper how smartphones work).

* Downplayed in ''WesternAnimation/OnyxEquinox'', since part of the point of the series is how the Mesoamerican view on sacrifices wasn't that different from [[HeroicSacrifice the modern one]]. However, realistic things these cultures liked that modern ones do not crop up from time to time, like slavery.

* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'':
** In the episode "Three Men and a Comic Book", Bart sees an old Radioactive Man cartoon wherein the eponymous superhero is smoking.

** In the episode, "The Last Temptation of Krust", Krusty performs at a comedy festival, but not really having created any new material in years, his old bits are incredibly outdated, especially an extremely cringeworthy Asian stereotype. He almost retires after the negative responses.
** Invoked but subverted in "Mr. Spritz Goes to Washington"; Krusty's rival for congress shows an old sketch where he interprets insensitive stereotypes in a UN meeting (A stereotypical Frenchman who stinks worse than his French cheese, a pothead Rastafarian from Jamaica and a San Francisco homosexual). Krusty tries to defend himself by saying that it was a different time... [[NotHelpingYourCase 1998]].
** In the episode "Lisa's Wedding", which takes place fifteen years into the future, this quote from Marge shows what type of content will be acceptable to show on broadcast TV, and doubles as BitingTheHandHumor:

** The episode "Homer Is Where The Art Isn't", we see Manacek, an stereotypical 1970s-era P.I. whose attitudes towards women ([[WouldHitAGirl including knocking one out cold]]) are now seen as incredibly misogynistic (specially considering that the episode aired at a time [=#MeToo=] and women's lib were hot topics, whereas the former did not exist during production).
** In "Stealing First Base", Bart asks Grandpa for help with his latest GirlOfTheWeek, and Grandpa, working off 1940's-era logic, advises him to give her a ShutUpKiss. When Bart kisses the girl out of nowhere, she begins screaming and he gets suspended for sexual assault.
--->'''Marge:''' Why didn't you just tell him to bash her over the head with a club and drag her into a cave!\\
'''Grandpa:''' Whoa, third base? [[CrossesTheLineTwice He's a little young for that]].
** In "Bart Stops to Smell the Roosevelts", Superintendent Chalmers takes over educating Bart, and later other troubled boys. Chalmers hasn't taught since TheEighties, and is disdainful of modern teaching practices. Although he does actually start to make progress with his students, he takes the boys on an unauthorised camping trip in the woods where Nelson is hurt. Chalmers thinks that the (admittedly minor) injuries are no big deal, and is stunned when he is fired.
** A lot of the humor around Mr. Burns centers around his bizarrely ancient standards of moral judgement, which run the gamut from Victorian England dandy to slaveholding Confederate.
--->'''Burns:''' (on Joe [=DiMaggio=]) It seems they've started letting ethnics into the big leagues.
** It's something of a RunningGag that anti-Irish sentiment was prevalent in Springfield at one point and still leaves traces in the present, which, naturally, has never stopped the town from getting roaringly drunk on St. Patrick's Day.

** ''Film/BackToTheFuturePartIII'' gets in on it as well, with [[GreekChorus the old timers]] in the bar mocking Marty's clothes, asking if he got them off a "dead Chinese". And, of course, Buford Tannen's self-proclaimed murder tally ''not counting'' Indians and Chinamen.