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20th Feb '18 7:30:38 PM DesertDragon
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* ''Theater/{{Hamilton}}'' takes place in the late 1700's/early 1800's and some of the social trappings of the time couldn't be avoided. Slavery is still a thing, but most of the main characters are against it or indifferent at worst (even though this required a fair deal of artistic license; many of the characters in the play owned slaves in real life). Also, the play isn't shy about the limited opportunities for women, who couldn't vote "It's 1800, ladies tell your husbands vote for Burr!") or pursue careers outside the home. The vivacious and opinionated Angelica Schuyler could have very well been an accomplished lawyer or politician had she been born a few centuries later, but during the time period when the musical took place, women's rights stopped at "choosing your husband".

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* ''Theater/{{Hamilton}}'' takes place in the late 1700's/early 1800's and some of the social trappings of the time couldn't be avoided. Slavery is still a thing, but most of the main characters are against it or indifferent at worst (even though this required a fair deal of artistic license; many of the characters in the play owned slaves in real life). Also, the play isn't shy about the limited opportunities for women, who couldn't vote "It's ("It's 1800, ladies tell your husbands vote for Burr!") or pursue careers outside the home. The vivacious and opinionated Angelica Schuyler could have very well been an accomplished lawyer or politician had she been born a few centuries later, but during the time period when the musical took place, women's rights stopped at "choosing your husband".
20th Feb '18 7:28:32 PM DesertDragon
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20th Feb '18 7:27:56 PM DesertDragon
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* ''Theater/{{Hamilton}}'' takes place in the late 1700's/early 1800's and some of the social trappings of the time couldn't be avoided. Slavery is still a thing, but most of the main characters are against it or indifferent at worst (even though this required a fair deal of artistic license; many of the characters in the play owned slaves in real life). Also, the play isn't shy about the limited opportunities for women, who couldn't vote "It's 1800, ladies tell your husbands vote for Burr!") or pursue careers outside the home. The vivacious and opinionated Angelica Schuyler could have very well been an accomplished lawyer or politician had she been born a few centuries later, but during the time period when the musical took place, women's rights stopped at "choosing your husband".
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20th Feb '18 4:57:04 PM Stillalive
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* ''Literature/{{Victoria}}'': In the coming decades the US fractures into several successor states. Each insane in their own special way. Each serving as a TakeThat to a particular group. Except the the titular victoria, who are the heroes.

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* ''Literature/{{Victoria}}'': In the coming decades the US fractures into several successor states. Each insane in their own special way. Each serving as a TakeThat to a [[StrawCharacter particular group. group]]. Except the the titular victoria, who are the heroes.depicted as [[DesignatedHero heroic]].



** Azania, once California, becomes a matriarchy where men are enslaved, castrated, and eventually outlawed.
** Much of the unmentioned countryside is overrun by 'orcs' or Black/Hispanic gangs.
** The heroes themselves, the New England state of Victoria alone stands for traditional Christian values. And they burn heretics, massacre liberal college teachers, have automatic hanging for drug possession/use while Black, mass deportation of Puerto Ricans and an unofficial but very strong ban on any technology invented after the 1930s save medicine. They triumph casually over their enemies and become the world leaders in cold fusion.

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** Azania, [[StrawFeminist Azania]], once California, becomes a matriarchy where men are enslaved, castrated, and eventually outlawed.
** Much of the unmentioned countryside is overrun by 'orcs' [[{{Dehumanization}} 'orcs']], or Black/Hispanic gangs.
** The heroes themselves, the themselves are an aversion as they're just plain ValuesDissonance. The New England state of Victoria alone stands for traditional Christian values. And they is made of [[KnightTemplar Christian]] [[TheFundamentalist fundmamentalists]]. They [[BurnTheWitch burn heretics, heretics]], [[AntiIntellectualism massacre liberal college teachers, teachers]], have automatic hanging for drug possession/use while Black, Black (the punishment for White drug dealers/users [[DoubleStandard is never mentioned]]), mass deportation of Puerto Ricans and an unofficial but very strong ban on any technology invented after the 1930s save medicine. They triumph casually over their enemies and become All of this is depicted as righteous by the world leaders in cold fusion.narrative.
19th Feb '18 12:24:18 AM MinisterOfSinister
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*** Being a OneGenderRace, someone's gender doesn't really factor into whether or not they are attractive -- culturally, asari tend to be pansexual, especially since due to the [[BizarreAlianBiology unusual way]] [[GRatedSex they reproduce]], HomosexualReproduction and even HotSkittyOnWailordAction aren't barriers to starting a family. Meanwhile, as a race they invert the MalignedMixedMarriage trope -- it's InterspeciesRomance and ChildOfTwoWorlds that are considered normal and acceptable while marriage and reproduction between two asari is considered a cultural transgression. There are two reasons for this: firstly, an asari with a non-asari father absorbs part of that race's physiology and culture, so nothing new is gained by two asari mating, and secondly, asari with two asari parents are exclusively at risk of developing a deadly condition that makes them an Ardat-Yakshi, who are sterile and CantHaveSexEver lest they [[DeathBySex kill their partner]], even unintentionally, and are infamous for becoming sex-based {{Serial Killer}}s with body counts in the hundreds and thousands due to becoming DrunkOnTheDarkSide, while asari with non-asari parents are at no such risk. As such, the term "pureblood", normally a self-aggrandising compliment used by aristocrats, is actually a {{Fantastic Slur|s}} among asari.

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*** Being a OneGenderRace, someone's gender doesn't really factor into whether or not they are attractive -- culturally, asari tend to be pansexual, especially since due to the [[BizarreAlianBiology [[BizarreAlienBiology unusual way]] [[GRatedSex they reproduce]], HomosexualReproduction and even HotSkittyOnWailordAction aren't barriers to starting a family. Meanwhile, as a race they invert the MalignedMixedMarriage trope -- it's InterspeciesRomance and ChildOfTwoWorlds that are considered normal and acceptable while marriage and reproduction between two asari is considered a cultural transgression. There are two reasons for this: firstly, an asari with a non-asari father absorbs part of that race's physiology and culture, so nothing new is gained by two asari mating, and secondly, asari with two asari parents are exclusively at risk of developing a deadly condition that makes them an Ardat-Yakshi, who are sterile and CantHaveSexEver lest they [[DeathBySex kill their partner]], even unintentionally, and are infamous for becoming sex-based {{Serial Killer}}s with body counts in the hundreds and thousands due to becoming DrunkOnTheDarkSide, while asari with non-asari parents are at no such risk. As such, the term "pureblood", normally a self-aggrandising compliment used by aristocrats, is actually a {{Fantastic Slur|s}} among asari.
19th Feb '18 12:23:43 AM MinisterOfSinister
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*** Kaidan says that, while his L2 biotic implants are more powerful than L3 implants, they cause a severe side effect--Kaidan has horrible migraines, and he's one of the lucky ones. Garrus, a turian who comes from a highly disciplined and service-oriented culture, says the turians would have kept the L2 implants. Wrex, a militaristic krogan, also has a positive opinion on the L2 implants, comparing them to a powerful gun that you would still use even if it has a bit of a kick, apparently unconcerned that Kaidan can't turn the migraines off whenever he wants.

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*** Kaidan says that, while his L2 biotic implants are more powerful than L3 implants, they cause a severe side effect--Kaidan effect -- Kaidan has horrible migraines, and he's one of the lucky ones. Garrus, a turian who comes from a highly disciplined and service-oriented culture, says the turians would have kept the L2 implants. Wrex, a militaristic krogan, also has a positive opinion on the L2 implants, comparing them to a powerful gun that you would still use even if it has a bit of a kick, apparently unconcerned that Kaidan can't turn the migraines off whenever he wants.



*** When [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Wrex]] asks either Kaidan or Ashley who would win in a fight between them and Shepard, Kaidan/Ashley says they could never see themself fighting their own commanding officer. Wrex sees this attitude as the reason why Kaidan/Ashley serves under and would lose to Shepard.
--->'''Tali''': Do krogan size up everyone for a fight, even friends and allies?
--->'''Wrex''': [[BluntYes Yes]]. ''*in a tone that sounds surprised that anyone wouldn't*''
** As shown in ''VideoGame/MassEffect2'', asari Justicars are {{Knight Templar}}s with an extreme BlackAndWhiteMorality, bound by an immutable code. Justicars will stop at nothing to protect the tenets of code, which may or may not overlap with laws even amongst their own species; a Justicar would sacrifice her life to save a city, but would also kill everyone in that same city if they indirectly got in the way of rescuing a single orphan. The asari regard their Justicars as great heroes, with most confused by another species suggesting there's any problem with this system. However, even asari police officers understand very well that having a Justicar interacting with non-asari guarantees diplomatic nightmares. That being said, the people who wrote the code had enough foresight to provide several loopholes and safeguards to allow a Justicar to avoid bloodshed for as long as possible. Once those are used up, though, someone is going to die.
** Shepard is horrified upon learning that an asari on Illium is selling slaves. She politely informs Shepard that "[[InsistentTerminology indentured servitude]]" is perfectly legal on Illium, with a fixed-term contract agreed by both parties as to the length of service and numerous laws in place to protect the servant and make sure their sapient rights are respected. The asari also seems to be under the impression that Shepard's anger is due to batarian slave raids on human colonies as the reason why humanity has a no-tolerance approach to slavery. Apparently, the asari hadn't read up on human history to find out the ''real'' reason why humans hate slavery...although Shepard him/herself [[MultipleChoicePast might still]] have very [[DoomedHometown personal reasons for their stance.]]
** Salarians are first and foremost loyal to their families and clans and their respective ruling Dalatresses, with their government run in much the same way as the ancient human feudal royal families, complete with breeding and marriages being a highly political affair (having no sex drive helps). They also find the idea of honour in battle to be naive at best - if they are going to go to war with you, they won't tell you, they'll just kill you. In fact, if they've "officially" declared war, odds are they've already ''won''.

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*** When [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Wrex]] asks either Kaidan or Ashley who would win in a fight between them and Shepard, Kaidan/Ashley says they could never see themself fighting their own commanding officer. Wrex sees this attitude as the reason why Kaidan/Ashley serves under and would lose to Shepard.
--->'''Tali''': Do
Shepard. When he asks this question to Liara or Tali, they ask him back if krogan size ''everyone'' up everyone for a fight, even including friends and allies?
--->'''Wrex''': [[BluntYes Yes]]. ''*in
allies. Wrex responds that they do in a tone way that sounds surprised that anyone wouldn't*''
like he's subliminally asking "Wait, you mean your people ''don't?''"
** As shown in ''VideoGame/MassEffect2'', asari Justicars are {{Knight Templar}}s with an extreme BlackAndWhiteMorality, bound by an immutable code. Justicars will stop at nothing to protect the tenets of code, which may or may not overlap with laws even amongst their own species; a Justicar would sacrifice her life to save a city, but would also kill everyone in that same city if they indirectly got in the way of rescuing a single orphan. If someone tried to bribe them, they would be obligated not only to [[ScrewTheMoneyIHaveRules refuse to accept it]], but to shoot the asking person in the face for insulting their honour. The asari regard their Justicars as great heroes, with most confused by another species suggesting there's any problem with this system. However, even asari police officers understand very well that having a Justicar interacting with non-asari guarantees diplomatic nightmares. That being said, the people who wrote the code had enough foresight to provide several loopholes and safeguards to allow a Justicar to avoid bloodshed for as long as possible. Once those are used up, though, someone is going to die.
** Shepard is horrified upon learning that an asari on Illium is selling slaves. She politely informs Shepard that "[[InsistentTerminology indentured servitude]]" is perfectly legal on Illium, with a fixed-term contract agreed by both parties as to the length of service and numerous laws in place to protect the servant and make sure their sapient rights are respected. The asari also seems to be under the impression that Shepard's anger is due to batarian slave raids on human colonies as the reason why humanity has a no-tolerance approach to slavery. Apparently, the asari hadn't read up on human history to find out the ''real'' reason why humans hate slavery... although Shepard him/herself [[MultipleChoicePast might still]] have very [[DoomedHometown personal reasons for their stance.]]
** Salarians are first and foremost loyal to their families and clans and their respective ruling Dalatresses, with their government run in much the same way as the ancient human feudal royal families, complete with breeding and marriages being a highly political affair (having affair. Generally speaking they [[{{Asexuality}} have no sex drive helps). drives]] at all or even much interest in romance, though some do find asari attractive. They also have short lifespans (40 is considered ''old'' to them) and process feelings very quickly, although a severe enough trauma can still leave them unable to move on from it. They also find the idea of honour in battle to be naive at best - -- if they are going to go to war with you, they won't tell you, they'll just kill you.you. This is because of their fragility -- lacking the combat capabilities of other races, they compensate by operating through spies and espionage. In fact, if they've "officially" declared war, odds are they've already ''won''.



*** Garrus tells Shepard in ''2'' that he's not a very good turian, because a good turian who hears a bad order is expected to follow it, even if he has reservations about it, whereas Garrus [[MilitaryMaverick wouldn't]]. Then in ''3'', a minor turian military commander who lost his men's respect getting several of them killed commits a HeroicSacrifice; when Shepard asks Garrus if this will redeem him in his people's eyes, Garrus admits he's not sure, because self-sacrifice from the greater good is not merely an admirable quality among turians but an ''expectation'', and he'd have to do more than the bare minimum to qualify for outstanding praise.



*** Being a OneGenderRace, someone's gender doesn't really factor into whether or not they are attractive -- culturally, asari tend to be pansexual, especially since due to the [[BizarreAlianBiology unusual way]] [[GRatedSex they reproduce]], HomosexualReproduction and even HotSkittyOnWailordAction aren't barriers to starting a family. Meanwhile, as a race they invert the MalignedMixedMarriage trope -- it's InterspeciesRomance and ChildOfTwoWorlds that are considered normal and acceptable while marriage and reproduction between two asari is considered a cultural transgression. There are two reasons for this: firstly, an asari with a non-asari father absorbs part of that race's physiology and culture, so nothing new is gained by two asari mating, and secondly, asari with two asari parents are exclusively at risk of developing a deadly condition that makes them an Ardat-Yakshi, who are sterile and CantHaveSexEver lest they [[DeathBySex kill their partner]], even unintentionally, and are infamous for becoming sex-based {{Serial Killer}}s with body counts in the hundreds and thousands due to becoming DrunkOnTheDarkSide, while asari with non-asari parents are at no such risk. As such, the term "pureblood", normally a self-aggrandising compliment used by aristocrats, is actually a {{Fantastic Slur|s}} among asari.



** A sort of InUniverse example is the slavery and caste system that is a part of batarian culture. They claim [[CultureJustifiesAnything it's an inextricable part of their culture and therefore should be protected]], while this is one of the few points on which almost all the member states of Citadel Space agree being wrong. Their habit of launching brutal slave raids against Citadel member colonies probably has something to do with it.
** What little is known of yahg culture also features this in abundance: they have a pack-based mentality, so whenever a group of them forms to work together, they will have dominance battles until one rises to the top (either through strength or trickery). The losers are expected to hold no grudge and serve the leader loyally. The very ''concept'' of equality seems completely foreign to them, and when it was explained they found it offensive, which lead to the Council quarantining their planet and prohibiting any further contact with their species.

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** A sort of InUniverse example is the slavery and caste system that is a part of batarian culture. They claim [[CultureJustifiesAnything it's an inextricable part of their culture and therefore should be protected]], while this is one of the few points on which almost all the member states of Citadel Space agree about being wrong. Their habit of launching brutal slave raids against Citadel member colonies probably has something to do with it.
** What little is known of yahg culture also features this in abundance: they have a pack-based mentality, so whenever a group of them forms to work together, they will have dominance battles until one rises to the top (either either through strength or trickery).trickery. The losers are expected to hold no grudge and serve the leader loyally. The very ''concept'' of equality seems completely foreign to them, and when it was explained they found it offensive, which lead to the Council quarantining their planet and prohibiting any further contact with their species.
16th Feb '18 2:31:19 PM StarSword
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* ''Fanfic/DontSayGoodbyeFarewell'': Due to her cultural background (Bajoran) and and the fact that she herself was nearly enslaved by Orions as a nineteen-year-old, Eleya's view of the conflict between the Moab Confederacy and the Orions comes off a little skewed by Federation norms. She evinces some approval of various acts committed by Moabite anti-slavery raiders that would normally be considered war crimes (torture, summary executions, taking ears as trophies and leaving playing cards as calling cards). It's also noted that the Bajorans had to abolish the death penalty and stop hanging Cardassian collaborators to join the Federation. [[spoiler:Using [[ChildSoldier underage soldiers]], however, [[EveryoneHasStandards proves a bridge too far]].]]
16th Feb '18 10:11:15 AM JackG
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* ''Literature/{{Friday}}'s reaction to being gang-raped as an interrogation technique is simple annoyance at the idea that she could be traumatized. As an artificial human she's been raised not to have any sexual hang-ups, and has even been [[LooksLikeSheIsEnjoyingIt trained to pretend to enjoy it]] in order to [[LimaSyndrome manipulate her captors]].

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* ''Literature/{{Friday}}'s ''Literature/{{Friday}}'''s reaction to being gang-raped as an interrogation technique is simple annoyance at the idea that she could be traumatized. As an artificial human she's been raised not to have any sexual hang-ups, and has even been [[LooksLikeSheIsEnjoyingIt trained to pretend to enjoy it]] in order to [[LimaSyndrome manipulate her captors]].
16th Feb '18 10:10:45 AM JackG
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* ''Literature/{{Friday}}'s reaction to being gang-raped as an interrogation technique is simple annoyance at the idea that she could be traumatized. As an artificial human she's been raised not to have any sexual hang-ups, and has even been [[LooksLikeSheIsEnjoyingIt trained to pretend to enjoy it]] in order to [[LimaSyndrome manipulate her captors]].
14th Feb '18 5:24:38 AM RobTan
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** The autobiography of GE's CEO Don Geiss contains such phrases as: "because a woman's brain has fewer folds" or "the Negroid musculature".

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** The autobiography of GE's Jack's mentor and GE CEO Don Geiss contains such phrases as: "because a woman's brain has fewer folds" or "the Negroid musculature".musculature".
** In an episode where TGS has a mother's day special, all of the mothers, who range from late middle age to elderly, tell Liz that she is getting too old to look for an ideal man, and to just settle for somebody before it's too late.
-->'''Colleen Donaghy:''' You see, that's what "fem-in-ism" does, it makes smart girls with good birthing shapes believe in fairy tales.
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