Reviews Literature / Twilight

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I completely agree with you.

People like you should be writers.

Tvtropes, where writers come to whine about more successful writers.

You mean where writers come together and whine about more fortunate writers.

I actually believe that the vampire capital is in Italy to take a stab at the Catholic church. I got that from Mark Reads Twilight and I'm totally convinced.

Are you really so butthurt that you needed to edit it out and then respond anyways?

I was actually trying to delete the first comment. Forgive me if I don't know how to fully function this site.

So were you planning on deleting the comment and then responding to it anyways?

Whatever, feel free to edit out my comments again if you want so you can continue going "LA LA LA I can't hear you" towards anything you don't want to hear. I won't bother getting into an editing war.

And yet you still bother to provoke. ;)

Welcome to the club. Who are you going to whine about?

So they're allowed to say "Boo this person's works don't deserve to be successful" but it's considered provoking if I defend it?

People tend to think they can do whatever they want and then cry about it whenever it's done to themselves. And it's starting to get annoying.

Welcome to the club. Who are you going to whine about?

I want to start with every single shonen author and end with every single MMORPG.

^The problem is the figures are not say "Boo this person's works don't deserve to be successful" but rather "this author's work does not deserve the sales for the work is not well done."

The problem is that the applyance that quanity or popalarity equals quality is not a well defined notion. No; I am not saying populaity means a work is not good but rather that sometimes the work attracts load of figures who do not judge it well. Commencing the attacks on Twilight as "its more popular than my work" is rather naive and rather jerkish. I would suggest that one does fall down the destructive path of populism for it and elitism is the way of apathy.

^The problem is the figures are not say "Boo this person's works don't deserve to be successful" but rather "this author's work does not deserve the sales for the work is not well done."

Not seeing the difference between those two.

The problem is that the applyance that quanity or popalarity equals quality is not a well defined notion. No; I am not saying populaity means a work is not good but rather that sometimes the work attracts load of figures who do not judge it well. Commencing the attacks on Twilight as "its more popular than my work" is rather naive and rather jerkish. I would suggest that one does fall down the destructive path of populism for it and elitism is the way of apathy.

What's with this "I have more valid tastes than you" mentality going on around here?

^It is not the case of elitism but rather the case of observation. Also: there is a big difference between the two but I guess when one is not of sympathy... well here is how: success via little effort is a grant problem in society that must be delt with.

^It is not the case of elitism but rather the case of observation.

Sounds like elitism to me.

Also: there is a big difference between the two but I guess when one is not of sympathy... well here is how: success via little effort is a grant problem in society that must be delt with.

It's called basic economics and luck. Deal with it. You're still using the outdated Marxist philosophy that an object's value is dependent on the labor and effort put into it.

@eveil

Defending a work is okay of course, but you didn't do that. :P

What are you doing on Tv Tropes anyway? It's the whiniest place of whiners ever. ;)

Defending a work is okay of course, but you didn't do that. :P

THAT counts as a defense. Not a very detailed one, but it's a knee-jerk response after hearing years of "Boo Twilight sucks why didn't authors like me become successful".

What are you doing on Tv Tropes anyway? It's the whiniest place of whiners ever. ;)

I know this is just a nice way of asking me to leave. So... guess I'll be going.

Deal with it, even if it's annoying. Which it is.

No, I don't want you to leave. Believe it or not, but I find your posts amusing. And not in the "Haha, your stupidness amuses me so keep embarassing yourself." way, but in the "Lol, that guy is hilarious and snarky." way. I've never seen anybody winning an argument against you.

@eviel I wasn't trying to get into an editing war with you. You called me butthurt and I explained my actions. That's all.

I think the problem is simple: these posts are now personal wars as oppose to wars on the ideas.

O and eveil... I was not using Marxist ideas. If you say "dael with it" with little effort, it is a sign of more the flaws of greed. Such is apathy be the idea of "deal with it."

No, I don't want you to leave. Believe it or not, but I find your posts amusing. And not in the "Haha, your stupidness amuses me so keep embarassing yourself." way, but in the "Lol, that guy is hilarious and snarky." way. I've never seen anybody winning an argument against you.

Alright then, guess I'll stay a little longer.

@eviel I wasn't trying to get into an editing war with you. You called me butthurt and I explained my actions. That's all.

When you said "delete the first comment", did you mean my comment, or your own?

O and eveil... I was not using Marxist ideas. If you say "dael with it" with little effort, it is a sign of more the flaws of greed. Such is apathy be the idea of "deal with it."

People will like whatever they want. Successful businesses try to predict what people want, or would want, rather than whining about people not wanting their products. Or they complain to the government about large businesses taking away their customers and get a law passed or something. And some just stumble around and get lucky. There's nothing you can do about luck.

So unless you want to start banning people from liking and buying a product just because you think it sucks, you're going to have to deal with it.

@eveil My own comment. I'm a newbie so I haven't quite figured it out yet.

Oh, then I think I completely misinterpreted what happened.

Alright then, guess I'll stay a little longer.

Why do I have the impression that you're not serious? :P

What's wrong with the vampire capital being in Italy? Why is that a less logical place than anywhere else in the world?

Twilight is a piece of garbage that should have never seen the light of day. And, well Italy just seems kind of random.

"Bella is a war-starting little punk"? ...best description of her I've read yet!

I actually read the series twice (in the span of about 8 months) just to be sure, but I agree that it's terrible.

There's the weird little predestination theme going on with Edward's inevitable, eternal love for Bella and the werewolves' imprinting (especially Jacob). I know fictional romance is a lot more glamorous than real life, but that's just going too far. The idea that Jacob could never be with Bella because the universe said so is just baffling. Even classic star-crossed love tales usually involve a tragic flaw. And boy, did Bella and Edward both have tragic flaws. There's almost no discernible reason for their story to have a happy ending. Relationships end over much less than angsty, theatrical suicide attempts.

And that's just one of my many complaints.

Lets see...

Stephanie Meyer - Wrote a best-selling novel that rakes in millions.

Most/all of the people here - Didn't make millions from writing novels.

Hmm, whose opinion is more important? The one coming from someone who was able to make millions, or the one coming from unsuccessful writers jealous of other peoples' success?

Aeae, Given that logic no one's opinion matters if they don't make millions with their day-job. People buy books and watch movies because they want a good story, and if they're let-down they should be free to criticize. Sales are a measure of consumer interest not quality. Meyer made millions not because she's a good writer but because she hit a certain niche at the right time. Vampire Romance was big with Anne Rice years ago and it's big(sort-of) now. Criticism is really another term for feedback which every author needs.

morninglight, if you think you know how the market works so well, then why don't you write a best-selling novel and make millions? Just choose whatever sells and write about it.

Just because the genre is popular doesn't mean you can just write something crappy and make millions.

Ignoring how invalid of a criticism "Let's see YOU do better" is, given that it doesn't actually address anyone's issues with the book...

If only the opinions of those who write best sellers matter, what do you say about someone such as Stephen King, who denounced Twilight and basically said it only sold well because it was wish fulfillment?

Regardless of the reason, Twilight sold well.

Telling someone that their successful idea was a bad idea is a self-defeating argument.

Doesn't mean it still isn't terrible in quality.

Right... and that's how it became a best-seller. By being terrible.

Just because something doesn't appeal to your niche doesn't make it terrible.

You're ignoring Stephen King's argument, not refuting it. If you say "Even if you say Twilight only sold well because it was wish fulfillment, that doesn't matter because it still sold well", then a cheating racer could easily say "Even if you say I only won because I cheated, it doesn't matter because I still won. "

Stephen King is free to have his opinion, as is everyone else. But at the end of the day, the only thing that really matters to Stephanie Meyers is that her book raked in millions of dollars. If wish fulfillment sells well, then she did a good job of exploiting that. Perhaps you should spend less time complaining about what other people like.

And really, you're comparing Stephanie Meyers to a cheater? A cheater will get disqualified if he gets caught. No one is going to take away Meyer's millions of dollars just because she didn't do it the way you wanted her to.

There's no real "race" in publishing, but there are indeed ways to cut corners. That's why people object to, say, perceived nepotism, where an author got published just because they were well-connected. But whoever got in by nepotism is not going to be "disqualified" by some referee. But that doesn't mean they still didn't have an unfair advantage. It's the same with publishing wish fulfillment.

Unbelievable how many people seem to accept the notion that success equals quality as truth.

This is a hilariously exaggerated review. Shrugs off into the sunset.

gfrequency, it shows a lack of critical intelligence and the ability to judge things in an unbiased matter.

It sucks for A Bad Driver that he's so even-handed in his criticism. It requires him to wade through a ton of junk, just for him to feel justified that it is indeed junk.. and Aeae, that has to be the most anti-intellectual argument I've ever heard. Good job.