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This review suffers from multiple personality disorder.

Was the crack about his hair and heart condition really necessary?

I erased the entirely reasonable message from my memory when I saw communism compared to child molestation.

would you prefer the term "kiddy fiddling"?

I quite liked the FFX reviews, thank you very much.

I don't agree with everything Spoony does, but I do think the amount of grief Spoony gets for every little thing he does that rankles someone is ridiculous, so I appreciate the call for reason. But I am having some serious difficulty parsing that last paragraph. Edit for clarity plz?

EDIT: Sorry, I skimmed over the review.

To be fair, I think there's a lot of sarcasm in this review that isn't being conveyed very well.

would you prefer the term "kiddy fiddling"?

I work at a kindergarten. Comparing child molestation to an economic system you dislike is a pretty sure way to make yourself look like a complete ass.

And yet my conscience is undamaged.

But to elaborate for other people, I've always considered myself a nerd, but lately I feel as if I don't meet the mandatory requirements. The more strident ones very opinionated on 'free speech' and so any suppression of dissent is an act of war. The line between constructive criticism and being a dickhole has turned invisible. And once Spoony displeased them, he became marked for life; Hence the child molester line. In point of fact, 'constructive criticism' is nowadays code for 'butthurt' and a vocal minority of nerds take the attitude of You exist to service.....Us. toward their web personalities.

And yet my conscience is undamaged.

Well, it's not like an ass ever realizes it smells like shit.

Yeah because if a person gets pissed off at people tearing into his shit or insulting his friends, that clearly means he's an unreasonable douchebag with ego problems. Spoony is honest, harsh and high strung, and sometimes he gets mad, yes, because if you ever fuck up and maybe say something stupid, that automatically makes him a bad, bad man, never mind all the times he says how much he loves his fans, if he gets mad once all that goodwill is gone.

And the child molestation line was simply a joke, you have to understand that while you might not find it funny, everything is offensive to somebody, ergo either all comedians are awful people or you need to get over it.

No, the problem wasn't the mention of child molestation. The person was complaining because you called communism an evil equal to child molestation. And I'm inclined to agree with him/her.

Besides that, this is a very intelligent review that I agree with wholeheartedly.

Woah, me? I didn't compare the two. And the point was that, in the united states, communism gets a very, very bad rap, to the point that admitting you're a communist is at the same level as admitting to be a child molester, a bit of hyperbole, but it's pretty damn true.

And why are we focusing on one line that has nothing to do with the review at all?

I actually like his latest stuff more than the earlier type of reviews. However aside from that, I agree that if you give him a subject, a camera, and about an hour to give his thoughts on a subject, he is very, very good at it. Take the wrestling vids - which I know not everyone likes so I'm putting a Your Mileage May Vary condition on this statement - which are composed of him sitting down with some notes and then taking apart TN Aimpact, and it's really entertaining.

Personally, I think the style and wit of his reviews has been refined over the past year, with the set of Ultima reviews being my all-time favourites, but I could be alone in thinking this. I can see how the more carefully crafted reviews are different from his v-logs, and how these can be seen as losing the immediacy and intensity of some of his ranting.

Yet, there is one thing that can be said very clearly, and that his fanbase may qualify as the Most Triumphant Example of an Unpleasable Fanbase. If you come over to his site having previously been a frequenter of TGWTG.com, you're in for a shock. The Nostalgia Critic has a series of trolls that comment on his videos, but most of these are just rebuked by everyone else, told to shut up and are mostly ignored. If you move over into Linkara's section, you'll find a very supportive fanbase that tend to be very thoughtful of their critique and use it to constructive ends, because everyone knows that Lewis actually reads the posts and if you point something out, he will take it on board immediately or test it out for improvement. Moving on into Cinema Snob or Phelous's territory, you have fans that just love picking apart weird, strange, and perverse films with their respective critics, and are usually horror or R-rated film buffs who love talking about the movies they watch. ... But if you go to the spoonyexmperiment.com you have people who deride, insult and criticize both him and everything he's ever done, constantly pick apart what he says for any hidden meaning and then criticize him further for banning the people who were just outright insulting him. (Btw, I'm not implicating the writer of this review in any way of being this, and consider the entire review soundly realised).

Just recently when he had to take time off because he had freaking hypertrophic cardiomyopathy and was trying to work out his meds, you still had people complaining about the lack of updates, and if by chance he managed to put something brief together that he thought was entertaining, they would complain about the fact that they weren't "proper updates"! I'm not trying to say the man isn't flawed, because he is! He's human, for chrissakes! He has plenty of flaws in his work, and things to attend to in order to get better at what he is doing. It's the same with the Nostalgia Critic, Linkara, and is going to be true for anyone else out there who is an entertainer who hasn't perfected their art. More so, TGWTG has only existed for what, 4, 5 years? Everyone still has a long way to go. Constructive criticism is always needed for feedback so you can improve. And I've come across many reasonable people who can give very astute critique, and who have done exactly that. But everything is shaded in a negative light when you have people who just tear apart pretty much anything he puts up, insult him, and then criticize him for "turning heel on his fans" (recently one of the more stupider comments I've read). Any worthwhile feedback or opinion at all just gets lost in the mass of seething idiocy. Yet, after this kind of treatment, when he then gets up in front of the camera and apologizes for not updating due to health problems, it just crosses the line. Suffering from my own chronic health concerns, and knowing how debilitating they can be, I'm surprised he hasn't gotten up in front of the camera and told everyone to fuck-off (which is what a large slab of his fanbase have accused him of doing already).

Sorry for ranting on this, and attaching your nicely worded review to a 400 + word count post full of angry, mostly incomprehensible raving. If it's of any consolation, a moderator will probably come along and erase this before it sticks around too long. I don't know whether I'd qualify as a Fan Hater or what, but I do know that I have growing homicidal urges and when I finally crack, Spoony's fanbase is going to be the final straw.

Again, sorry for the rant.

dercommissar, is that you?

Well this is one of those "your denial doesn't mean anything" kind of things, isn't it?

For the record, though, no.

Holy Crap! Spoony *liked* FFX-2? Consider my mind officially blown! Don't get me wrong, I like it myself, but I was getting geared up for Spoony to vent his spleen on the game. Turns out there won't be much genuine spleen to vent, aparrently.

Good review, and pretty fair. Shame people are getting strung up on minor quips about kiddy fiddling. I didn't even know about Spoony's heart condition, so I have even more respect for the guy now that I have read this.

removed the reference to kiddy fiddling and bum tickers.

@Arthur Wait, did I miss something? When did Spoony review FFX-2? I'm pretty sure he didn't do that one yet, and I'm also sure he said he doesn't like it.

For the review itself, everything has pretty much already been said: if any group of fans deserves to be "tyrant"ed on, its some of the ones at that wretched hive of sum and villainy that is the Spoonyones forums. What I honestly do not understand though is the idea that Spoony's old videos were better. What videos are the people that say these watching? His acting, editing, scripting, and camera work has improved exponentially over the years and I for one have trouble going back and watching his earlier stuff and still maintaining they were made by the same guy. The people who believe in "Good Spoony" are just plain in denial.

I also don't get this thing about calling the Cinema Snob a "seasoned reviewer." The only reason the Snob is on TGWTG now is because Spoony hosted his vids on his website for a while after he got banned from youtube, and like it or not that got him recognized by the Channel Awesome guys since Spoony is under their umbrella. Not only that, but he's arguably been at this longer than even the Nostalgia Critic. Honestly, what -are- you talking about, dude? I'm not saying Spoony is BETTER, but saying he's less experienced is just plain untrue.

The Cinema Snob was an actor/filmmaker long before he started making reviews. The guy is more comfortable on camera, and he's older than Spoony. So there's that.

The forums are undeservedly bashed. Really, there's only one or two self-admitted trolls, and they're tame by any standard.

As for "Good Spoony", well, he was only bashing universally hated games back then. The fact of the matter is, Noah Antwiler does not like many things. It's not a matter of snobbery or even personal standards — his taste is extremely narrow. Especially with regards to video games. Like me, he's not a gamer per se — he mostly grew out of that whole scene, and now occasionally plays a Persona game here or there.

Just because you think that there "only one or two self-admitted trolls" doesn't make it so. About your "only bashing universally hated games back then" WRONG. You do remember Final Fantasy 8 right? He may of hated himself(justifiably so) but many do in fact like this game. Same goes for The Thing which got fairly decent review scores back in the day, surprising as this may be some people actually do like that game(Not me)! Finally about Noah not being a gamer, are you serious? Have you seen all the games that he plays on the Xbox and Steam? In all honesty while there are somethings I do not like about him (his Underworld 2 review, Tron Legacy) please give stuff like this consideration before tossing out your not so well informed opinion.

Well, I happen to have been on his fora for years, and it gets quieter every year.

And frankly, it was never bad to begin with. We had a big hullabaloo over Kickassia, which (GASP) not every person in the world liked. There were nitpicks, just as there were on TVtropes when Suburban Knights was released.

In fact, I think the TGWTG forum is the worst of the two, at least lately. They are just plain irrational. And yes, he plays video games, but I don't think it defines him or informs his job as a critic.

Finally, and this is a side note, but I wrote this a review a long time ago when Spoony's future on the site was in doubt, and I wasn't sure if he was on the verge of burnout or not. I don't know how applicable it is to the site now. He's still not necessarily a happy camper, but I think that's more to do with his day-to-day life than the site, which is partly good news. And a lot of comedians are pretty angry.

Hm. I've seen his comment sections. Those tend to be pretty loud and obnoxious—half the commenters are spewing mindless hatred and the other half are shouting them down. I wouldn't know about the fora, though.

To be fair it does seem that due to the forum crackdowns a significant portion of the trolls have migrated to the comments, twitter and elsewhere so I don't doubt your comments comparing the two forums but the trolls were never bad to begin with? Just because your perception of reality is different from the truth doesn't make it so. Finally my comments on his Steam and xbox habits were in response to this part of your comment that I previously responded to "The fact of the matter is, Noah Antwiler does not like many things. It's not a matter of snobbery or even personal standards — his taste is extremely narrow. Especially with regards to video games. Like me, he's not a gamer per se — he mostly grew out of that whole scene, and now occasionally plays a Persona game here or there." To elaborate on what I meant is that his tastes are in fact not narrow, he does in fact like a multitude of games, he is in fact a gamer that has not grown out of the scene and that he plays more than the occasional Persona game. Sorry if my prior statement wasn't clear enough.

Edit:Also if your opinion has changed you might want to edit the review to reflect this.